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      Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
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      How in a ideal Islamic society, a person can find a woman for Mutah? I mean they are all covered up and its haram to talk to a na-mehram.
      Is it? and are they?

      Please answer this first?

      In Islamic society how can a person find a woman for Nikah? I mean they are all covered up and its haram to talk to a na-mehram.

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      Quote Originally Posted by fbi786 View Post
      NOT a shia but.. to put it in simple and blunt words...

      Mutah is basically Like Prostitution.

      You are so absolutely brilliant and insightful and you are not even a shia, I am so impressed!!! (Sarcasm Alert! - for the intellectually challenged)

      My dear friend even as per Sunnis Mutah was allowed during the time of Prophet (SAWAW), so nauzubillah you are accusing the Prophet for condoning such a practice.

      I know use of Aql is haram in your religion, but have some decency and shame before uttering such foul accusations.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
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      How in a ideal Islamic society, a person can find a woman for Mutah? I mean they are all covered up and its haram to talk to a na-mehram.
      So, in an Islamic society people become emotionless robots? Wasn't there adultery during the time of the Prophet (saww) or for that matter under the "rightly-guided caliphs" despite people being "all covered up"?

      Mutah has more purpose than just the one that most of the people think of.
      "And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them." [26:227] Al-Quran

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      Quote Originally Posted by righteous View Post
      Is it? and are they?

      Please answer this first?

      In Islamic society how can a person find a woman for Nikah? I mean they are all covered up and its haram to talk to a na-mehram.
      Through match making by older women aka rishta karaney wali aunties. Are you implying that in Islamic society there will also be Mutah karaney wali aunties.
      The one who isn't confused, does not, really understand the problem.

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      ^ well you tell me and why not, it is a social service. By the way since you are the one challenging divine logic and what is the justification for rishtey karaney walee aunties as per Quran and Hadith.

      I have a request from my Ahl-e-Sunnat friends that before they start hurling accusations on the evil of Mutah, please remember when it was practiced?
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      Quote Originally Posted by fbi786 View Post
      NOT a shia but.. to put it in simple and blunt words...

      Mutah is basically Like Prostitution.
      Are you implying, the sahabas during the time of Prophet P.B.U.H practicing prosititution. So far no one has rejected Muatah was not practicced during the lifetime of Prophet P.B.U.H so far the argument has been was it Hazrat Umar who had outlawed it or Prophet .. after some time.... but it was something that has been there during the time of Prophet P.B.U.H. Who are you to judge a practice that was allowed in the time of Prophet to compare it with a lowly act

      Unlike Prosititution, the woman is well protected and any kids born from Mutah get inheritance from dad and so on. Mutah is quite similar to a normal marriage. Like the nikkah the guy and girl have to recite a siggah for the marriage. If a concept of temporary marriage is not acceptable in islam, why would the clause of divorce be allowed in islam to begin with? A guy and girl can marry each other share a halal relationship and than have a divorce.. divorce is acceptable in islam isnt it.

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      and i thought "till death do us apart" was for Christians only
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      Quote Originally Posted by fbi786 View Post
      NOT a shia but.. to put it in simple and blunt words...

      Mutah is basically Like Prostitution.

      "So they have indeed rejected the truth when it came to them;therefore the truth of what they mocked at will shine upon them."surah-al-an'aam,ayah 5(AL-QURAN)

      what more i can say for u ,Quran is saying best things for the ppl who always refuse to accept truth n rejects sunnah.

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      ^Plz clarify this. It appears from your post 67, that muslim man can do mutah with non-muslim women, so it means like a muslim man travels to Thailand, meets a woman there, explains he wants to have a one night mutah with her and "mehr" is 100 dollars. So he hasn' comitted a sin, and he can go to his wife, with clear concious that he has not cheated.
      The one who isn't confused, does not, really understand the problem.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
      ^Plz clarify this. It appears from your post 67, that muslim man can do mutah with non-muslim women, so it means like a muslim man travels to Thailand, meets a woman there, explains he wants to have a one night mutah with her and "mehr" is 100 dollars. So he hasn' comitted a sin, and he can go to his wife, with clear concious that he has not cheated.
      Many points are not right in place here.

      Most Thi women are not from people of book.

      Even if that is taken out of scenario, then the intention itself is not correct.
      Sahabas RAA did not do Muttah in this kind of setting.

      Why it is not cheating when his intention was to cheat?????

      There will not be an understanding in these women to follow the rules such as iddat or whatever. The man is not making sure of it either.

      In your scenario, man goes, does the deed, pays before or after and leaves.
      Not a Muttah!

      So, neither man nor woman is following what is callled Muttah in this example.
      Last edited by diwana; Oct 13th, 2009 at 09:55 PM.
      Impress me..with your intelligence and wit. :-)

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      Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
      ^Plz clarify this. It appears from your post 67, that muslim man can do mutah with non-muslim women, so it means like a muslim man travels to Thailand, meets a woman there, explains he wants to have a one night mutah with her and "mehr" is 100 dollars. So he hasn' comitted a sin, and he can go to his wife, with clear concious that he has not cheated.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
      ^Plz clarify this. It appears from your post 67, that muslim man can do mutah with non-muslim women, so it means like a muslim man travels to Thailand, meets a woman there, explains he wants to have a one night mutah with her and "mehr" is 100 dollars. So he hasn' comitted a sin, and he can go to his wife, with clear concious that he has not cheated.

      Iddah (Waiting Period) in Mut'ah


      Iddah is obligatory upon women in Mut'ah, just like in Nikah i.e.

      1. A woman cannot enter into Mut'ah marriage, till the time she has become pure by observing the 'iddah (waiting period) from her earlier husband.
      2. And after expiration of Mut'ah marriage, again she has to observe 'iddah, before getting married (either Nikah or Mut'ah) to any other person.

      do u think that thai woman accept all the conditions regarding iddah that is b4 n after muttah.its a type of marraige covering loads of issues n purpose.n most of all its permit by Prophet(SA) himself so don make a fun of it rather thn realizing social,psychological n cultural need of mutah.

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      ^What i see is that Mutah was prevelant among arabs before Prophet pbuh, Prophet stopped the practice at time when He saw was right or as Allah commanded him. Just like polygamy was prevelant among arabs, Islam did not start it, Islam only limited it. So i don't think mutah is holy because its not a practice prescribed by Propet pbuh. Just like alcohol, muslims were allowed to drink it till it was made illegal.
      The one who isn't confused, does not, really understand the problem.

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      ^how do you see it? let's debate on facts anot opinion and conjectures
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      Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
      ^What i see is that Mutah was prevelant among arabs before Prophet pbuh, Prophet stopped the practice at time when He saw was right or as Allah commanded him. Just like polygamy was prevelant among arabs, Islam did not start it, Islam only limited it. So i don't think mutah is holy because its not a practice prescribed by Propet pbuh. Just like alcohol, muslims were allowed to drink it till it was made illegal.
      ^how do you see it? let's debate on facts, not with opinions and conjectures.

      Drinking was made illegal by quran and the Prophet (SAW) never encouraged it. Neither of the conditions hold for Mutah.
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      ^Okay, you tell me when did Prophet pbuh, first described mutah? Who was the first person to do mutah? Did Prophet pbuh at any time was a witness or recited mutah between a man and woman? Did Imam Ali ra or any of Imams recited nikah-e-mutah of someone?
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      ^ I will try to find answers to your trivia, though it is totally irrelevant to the debate.

      The undeniable fact is that Mutah was practiced at the time of Prophet (SAW).

      We have plenty of evidence that it was banned by Umar and he reaffirms that Mutah continued in the time of Prophet (SAW) and Abu Bakr.
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