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      August 29, 2003
      Speaker: Dr. Israr Ahmed, Founder Tanzeem-e-Islami,
      Founder-President Markazi Anjuman Khuddamul Quran

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      The Final Mujaddid (The Mahdi) & Allama Iqbal


      In our times, two prominent and far-reaching tribulations, related to the Islamic creed, have emerged: (a) false claims to prophethood, and (b) rejection and devaluation of Hadith literature. Leaving aside the issue of false prophets, the second tribulation was initiated by Syyed Ahmed. The followers of Syyed Ahmed school of thought have either rejected the validity of the entire Hadith literature, or have devaluated and trivialized this second most sacred source of Islamic law. This attitude is strongest when it comes to the Hadiths concerning prophecies and future events. Much of the controversy revolves around two personalities mentioned in such Hadiths: (a) the emergence of a Perfect Reviver of Islam (Al-Mahdi), and (b) the reemergence of the Prophet Jesus (AS) – a prophecy common among both Muslims and Christians. The role of the Mahdi is prophesized as the leader who will establish the Khilafah in Arabia; while Prophet Jesus (AS) is prophesized as the key player to help the Muslims dominate the whole of globe.

      The opponents of such Hadiths advance three arguments against the coming of the two personalities:

      Firstly, that such ideas have been propagated from Magianism to Judaism; from Judaism to Christianity; and from Christianity to Islam; hence, such ideas are not credible. My response to this allegation is that, if an idea has presence in so many faiths then this does not discredit it in any way; to the contrary, it strengthens it. As such, the very argument against the credibility of these Hadiths should be counted in their favor.

      Secondly, that based on these Hadiths, many people falsely claimed themselves to be the Mahdi or the Prophet Jesus. My response is that the wrongful attribution of an idea to oneself does not discredit the veracity of the idea itself. Otherwise, using the same line of argument, the opponents of prophetic Hadiths should reject the institution of prophethood because many people have falsely claimed prophethood for themselves. However, a false claim to prophethood does not invalidate the institution of prophethood. Likewise, the false claim to the person of the Mahdi or Jesus (AS) does not invalidate their emergence.

      Third argument put forth is that the prophetic Hadiths promote passivity and idleness in the masses. The response to this allegation is that there are many ways to promote idleness. In fact, this is a common disease among the people that they want to run away from responsibility and take the easy way out. This is a comfort zone for weak-willed. This disease was present even in the times of the prophet (SAW) in the form of the Hypocrites. On the same issue, Iqbal has stated in one of his couplets:


      “amal say farigh huwa musalman bana key taqdeer ka bahana”
      (The Muslim has freed himself from action on the pretext of Qadr).



      Based on the same argument, the concept of Qadr would also have to be doubted or rejected because Muslims become inactive and passive due to it.


      In summation, none of the three arguments holds any premise for rejecting the emergence of the Mahdi or Jesus (AS).


      As to the person of Al-Mahdi, there are two variations in this regard: one Mahdi is that of the Shiahs; he is their twelvth Imam who was concealed in a cave some thousand years ago and will appear sometime in the future. The Shiah conception of Imamate is that the Imams are innocent, absolved of sin. In contrast, the Ahl-e-Sunnah’s conception is not that of Imamate, rather, that of Mujaddids. This is evident from a Hadith in which the prophet (SAW) explained that, at the head of each century, Allah (SWT) will send a Mujaddid who will revive the Deen. Important in this regard is the fact that all the previous Mujaddids have been partial, in the sense that each of them has revived some partial aspect of the Deen – mostly related to epistemological and/or dogmatic issues. The perfect and complete Mujaddid (Mujaddid al-Kamil) shall be the last one whom we call Al-Imam Al-Mahdi. He shall be a complete Mujaddid for he shall establish the whole Deen – that is, the Khilafah – in the Arabian Peninsula, as was accomplished by the prophet Muhammad (SAW).

      Regarding the collection of Hadiths related to the Mahdi, twenty-four Hadiths were noted by Ibn Khuldun, although, none of them is reported either by Bukhari or Muslim. We, however, uphold six collections of Hadiths to be most authentic and the Hadiths related to the Mahdi etc. do appear in the other four collections. As such, they cannot be ignored or brushed aside as unimportant. Let us glance here at two of them. One Hadith relates:


      “The world shall not end until the land of Arabia is ruled by a man from my household (ahl-e-bait). His name shall be the same as mine”. [Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi, and Abu Dawood]


      The other Hadith mentions:


      “Upon the death of a ruler, a conflict will arise. Thereafter, a man will run away from Madinah and take refuge in Makkah. People will follow him and find him (hiding in Makkah). They will take Bai’yah (oath of allegiance) on his hand, despite his reluctance, between al-Rukn (corner of the Ka`abah near the black stone) and the Maqam al-Ibrahim. ”


      An army will be sent from Syria to quell the Mahdi, but Allah (SWT) will cause the army to sink beneath the land between Makkah and Madina. This will be the sign for all the Muslims that he indeed is the Mahdi, and Muslims will then accept him en masse.

      Before these events, another significant event must take place; that is, the Khilafah must first be established in the east of Arabia. This is also mentioned in a Hadith, that the forces will march to aid the Mahdi, from the east and help establish his government in Arabia. Presently, there are three countries situated, in the east of Arabia: Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Hence somewhere in this area, the Islamic government must have been established before the emergence of the Mahdi (this will be so as nothing short of a true Islamic government will send forces to help the Mahdi, for they will be, in effect, fighting against the whole non-Muslim world).

      As to the views of Iqbal on the subject, on the one hand, we find Iqbal supporting Ibn Khaldun in his denial of prophetic Hadiths related to the Mahdi; and we also find Iqbal negating outright the concept of prophetic personalities in his letters. On the other hand, we find in Iqbal’s poetry clear evidence in support of the Mahdi and such Hadiths. This contradiction is resolved by reflecting upon the fact that there were two aspects of Iqbal’s personality: the Iqbal of the day and the Iqbal of the night. Implication here is that during the night, poetry was revealed to him by way of inspiration: whereas, during the day, Iqbal took on the role of a rationalist philosopher. Hence, in his rationalist impulse, Iqbal inclined towards the rejection of Hadiths related to prophetic personalities; whereas the spiritually inspired Iqbal asserted the same. An instance of this assertion is apparent in the following couplet from Zaboor-e-`Ajam:


      “Khizr-e-Waqt az khalwat-e-dasht-e-hijaz aa-yad baroon
      Karwan zeen wadi-e-door-o-daraz aa-yad baroon”
      (The leader of the time, from the solitude of the desert of Hijaz, shall emerge
      The caravan, from this far away valley, shall emerge).



      Notice that by utilizing the concept of “solitude” and future ”emergence”, Iqbal has encompassed both the Shiah and Sunni conception of the Mahdi. Another instance of Mahdi’s reference in Iqbal’s poetry is:


      “Meer-e-arab ko aee thandi hawa jahan say
      Mera watan wohee hai, mera watan wohee hai.”
      (From whence the cool breeze reached the leader of arabia
      That nation is mine, that nation is mine).


      This couplet is based on a Hadith in which the Prophet (SAW) said that “a cool breeze has reached me from Hind”.
      Quite often good things have hurtful consequences. There are instances of men who have been ruined by their money or KILLED by their COURAGE.” ~Aristotle

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      i believe in Almighty Allah n His messenger Hazrat Muhammad Mutafa(SAW)
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      Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi:
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      August 29, 2003
      Speaker: Dr. Israr Ahmed, Founder Tanzeem-e-Islami,
      Founder-President Markazi Anjuman Khuddamul Quran

      ---------------------------------------------

      The Final Mujaddid (The Mahdi) & Allama Iqbal


      In our times, two prominent and far-reaching tribulations, related to the Islamic creed, have emerged: (a) false claims to prophethood, and (b) rejection and devaluation of Hadith literature. Leaving aside the issue of false prophets, the second tribulation was initiated by Syyed Ahmed. The followers of Syyed Ahmed school of thought have either rejected the validity of the entire Hadith literature, or have devaluated and trivialized this second most sacred source of Islamic law. This attitude is strongest when it comes to the Hadiths concerning prophecies and future events. Much of the controversy revolves around two personalities mentioned in such Hadiths: (a) the emergence of a Perfect Reviver of Islam (Al-Mahdi), and (b) the reemergence of the Prophet Jesus (AS) – a prophecy common among both Muslims and Christians. The role of the Mahdi is prophesized as the leader who will establish the Khilafah in Arabia; while Prophet Jesus (AS) is prophesized as the key player to help the Muslims dominate the whole of globe.

      The opponents of such Hadiths advance three arguments against the coming of the two personalities:

      Firstly, that such ideas have been propagated from Magianism to Judaism; from Judaism to Christianity; and from Christianity to Islam; hence, such ideas are not credible. My response to this allegation is that, if an idea has presence in so many faiths then this does not discredit it in any way; to the contrary, it strengthens it. As such, the very argument against the credibility of these Hadiths should be counted in their favor.

      Secondly, that based on these Hadiths, many people falsely claimed themselves to be the Mahdi or the Prophet Jesus. My response is that the wrongful attribution of an idea to oneself does not discredit the veracity of the idea itself. Otherwise, using the same line of argument, the opponents of prophetic Hadiths should reject the institution of prophethood because many people have falsely claimed prophethood for themselves. However, a false claim to prophethood does not invalidate the institution of prophethood. Likewise, the false claim to the person of the Mahdi or Jesus (AS) does not invalidate their emergence.

      Third argument put forth is that the prophetic Hadiths promote passivity and idleness in the masses. The response to this allegation is that there are many ways to promote idleness. In fact, this is a common disease among the people that they want to run away from responsibility and take the easy way out. This is a comfort zone for weak-willed. This disease was present even in the times of the prophet (SAW) in the form of the Hypocrites. On the same issue, Iqbal has stated in one of his couplets:


      “amal say farigh huwa musalman bana key taqdeer ka bahana”
      (The Muslim has freed himself from action on the pretext of Qadr).



      Based on the same argument, the concept of Qadr would also have to be doubted or rejected because Muslims become inactive and passive due to it.


      In summation, none of the three arguments holds any premise for rejecting the emergence of the Mahdi or Jesus (AS).


      As to the person of Al-Mahdi, there are two variations in this regard: one Mahdi is that of the Shiahs; he is their twelvth Imam who was concealed in a cave some thousand years ago and will appear sometime in the future. The Shiah conception of Imamate is that the Imams are innocent, absolved of sin. In contrast, the Ahl-e-Sunnah’s conception is not that of Imamate, rather, that of Mujaddids. This is evident from a Hadith in which the prophet (SAW) explained that, at the head of each century, Allah (SWT) will send a Mujaddid who will revive the Deen. Important in this regard is the fact that all the previous Mujaddids have been partial, in the sense that each of them has revived some partial aspect of the Deen – mostly related to epistemological and/or dogmatic issues. The perfect and complete Mujaddid (Mujaddid al-Kamil) shall be the last one whom we call Al-Imam Al-Mahdi. He shall be a complete Mujaddid for he shall establish the whole Deen – that is, the Khilafah – in the Arabian Peninsula, as was accomplished by the prophet Muhammad (SAW).

      Regarding the collection of Hadiths related to the Mahdi, twenty-four Hadiths were noted by Ibn Khuldun, although, none of them is reported either by Bukhari or Muslim. We, however, uphold six collections of Hadiths to be most authentic and the Hadiths related to the Mahdi etc. do appear in the other four collections. As such, they cannot be ignored or brushed aside as unimportant. Let us glance here at two of them. One Hadith relates:


      “The world shall not end until the land of Arabia is ruled by a man from my household (ahl-e-bait). His name shall be the same as mine”. [Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi, and Abu Dawood]


      The other Hadith mentions:


      “Upon the death of a ruler, a conflict will arise. Thereafter, a man will run away from Madinah and take refuge in Makkah. People will follow him and find him (hiding in Makkah). They will take Bai’yah (oath of allegiance) on his hand, despite his reluctance, between al-Rukn (corner of the Ka`abah near the black stone) and the Maqam al-Ibrahim. ”


      An army will be sent from Syria to quell the Mahdi, but Allah (SWT) will cause the army to sink beneath the land between Makkah and Madina. This will be the sign for all the Muslims that he indeed is the Mahdi, and Muslims will then accept him en masse.

      Before these events, another significant event must take place; that is, the Khilafah must first be established in the east of Arabia. This is also mentioned in a Hadith, that the forces will march to aid the Mahdi, from the east and help establish his government in Arabia. Presently, there are three countries situated, in the east of Arabia: Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Hence somewhere in this area, the Islamic government must have been established before the emergence of the Mahdi (this will be so as nothing short of a true Islamic government will send forces to help the Mahdi, for they will be, in effect, fighting against the whole non-Muslim world).

      As to the views of Iqbal on the subject, on the one hand, we find Iqbal supporting Ibn Khaldun in his denial of prophetic Hadiths related to the Mahdi; and we also find Iqbal negating outright the concept of prophetic personalities in his letters. On the other hand, we find in Iqbal’s poetry clear evidence in support of the Mahdi and such Hadiths. This contradiction is resolved by reflecting upon the fact that there were two aspects of Iqbal’s personality: the Iqbal of the day and the Iqbal of the night. Implication here is that during the night, poetry was revealed to him by way of inspiration: whereas, during the day, Iqbal took on the role of a rationalist philosopher. Hence, in his rationalist impulse, Iqbal inclined towards the rejection of Hadiths related to prophetic personalities; whereas the spiritually inspired Iqbal asserted the same. An instance of this assertion is apparent in the following couplet from Zaboor-e-`Ajam:


      “Khizr-e-Waqt az khalwat-e-dasht-e-hijaz aa-yad baroon
      Karwan zeen wadi-e-door-o-daraz aa-yad baroon”
      (The leader of the time, from the solitude of the desert of Hijaz, shall emerge
      The caravan, from this far away valley, shall emerge).



      Notice that by utilizing the concept of “solitude” and future ”emergence”, Iqbal has encompassed both the Shiah and Sunni conception of the Mahdi. Another instance of Mahdi’s reference in Iqbal’s poetry is:


      “Meer-e-arab ko aee thandi hawa jahan say
      Mera watan wohee hai, mera watan wohee hai.”
      (From whence the cool breeze reached the leader of arabia
      That nation is mine, that nation is mine).


      This couplet is based on a Hadith in which the Prophet (SAW) said that “a cool breeze has reached me from Hind”.
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      Who is Syed Ahmed.

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      Sir, Sir Syed Ahmed khan is a very well known personality of 20th century...

      One good thing we learn about him is that he encouraged muslims to learn english aside from the fact that what he preached in the name of islam were mostly the ideas not approved by muslim scholars.
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      ^ to syed ahmed khan's defense though, he encouraged muslims of india to get educated i sciences and other ares and thus be more productive, more useful, employable etc, while the many so called scholars of the ers were against it.
      The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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      Originally posted by Fraudz:
      ^ to syed ahmed khan's defense though, he encouraged muslims of india to get educated i sciences and other ares and thus be more productive, more useful, employable etc, while the many so called scholars of the ers were against it.
      true..

      but i am not here to tell if his ideas of islam were corrupted or what.. what i know is if he denied the ahaadeeth then ofcourse scholars were against him but if they were against him because he encouraged muslims of india to get educated in sciences and other areas, that was wrong ... but again we are not discussing about that part.. what the speech mentions is HIS TEACHINGS ABOUT AHAADEETH and thus focusing on that speaker is defining the differences among people about this issue who were his followers in this regard :-)

      Please, stay with the topic. Thanks.
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      Here are the main points:

      Ibn Khuldun denied Mehdi,
      [my comments] that is why Qadiyanis made their belief "no Mehdi but Massiah (AS)"

      Dr. Israr say Bukhari is completely correct

      There are 2 Mehdis one is shias and the other is sunnies

      Shia Mehdi is like Zulqarnain(AS), hidden like him.

      Abu Bakar and Umar were not Masoom

      Dr Israr dont remember the names of 12 imams of Shias, (however he should at least).

      He said something interesting about Ismaili leaders Aga khans

      Dr Israr believes in Mujadideens in each century
      Umar bin Abul Aziz, 4 imams, Hassan Basri, Abu Musa Ashari, Abul Qadir Jilani, Tayymiya, Ghazali, and many others, Sur Hindi
      but these all were semi mujadids.

      Sunni Imam Mehdi will be correct in one night he can be defaulter before.
      Sunni Imam Mehdi will be from Ahle Bait of Prophet Muhammad (AS)

      Dr said: Sunni Imam Mehdi will leave from Madina and enter in to Makkah and hide himself there. then people will bring him out according to Hadith.

      Dr is predicting it will happen after death of King Fahad.

      There will be an islamic govt in east to help Mehdi
      He rejected Iran (shia) Isfahan(many jews) He is sure about Afghanistan or Pakistan are sure.

      Dusht e Hijaz ki khalwat say Mehdi niklay ga..

      Dr is not denying shia concept of hidden imam.
      Ashab e Kahaf, Hazrat Isa, etc. but he reject because of some other things.

      4 or 5 Khulafie Rasheeen .. if you include Imam Hassan (AS)

      Good map of Sindh Valley.

      2 Iqbals, one in day and one in night---Mulhim, Phylosopher

      Dr Said something about Zulifar Ali Butto and Shaheed Liaqat Ali Khan

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      Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi:
      Sir, Sir Syed Ahmed khan is a very well known personality of 20th century...

      One good thing we learn about him is that he encouraged muslims to learn english aside from the fact that what he preached in the name of islam were mostly the ideas not approved by muslim scholars.
      UFF, OH YOU DIDN'T MENTIONED THE WORD"SIR" SO
      I COULDN'T RECOGNIZE.YES. I AGREE. SOME SCHOLARS
      THINK THAT HE WAS TOO APPOLOGETIC TO GOORA SARKAR.

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      Originally posted by inuit:

      Abu Bakar and Umar were not Masoom
      this u took out, out of context

      what he meant was that only Prophets are Masoom unil khataa...

      so any sahaabi was not masoom so will not be Hadhrat Mehdi as he is not a prophet but a mujaddid (imaam according to shia belief so is masoom cuz shia believe imaam are masoom)

      that's all he said about it...
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      Dr. Israr said Bukhari is completely correct but making the list of Mujadadeen and Imam Mehdi(AS) he forgot the following hadith.

      The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) informed that the number of Imams after him are twelve, as the compilers of Sihah and Masanid have narrated it.


      In Sahih of Muslim:

      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The [Islamic] religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4483
      Hadith #3398 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men , all of them from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4478
      Hadith #3394 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      Narrated Jabir ibn Samura: The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "This matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs ." He then whispered a sentence. I asked my father what the Prophet said. He said, the Prophet added: "All of them will be from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1009, Tradition #4477
      Hadith #3393 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs , all of them from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4479
      Hadith #3395 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs , all of them from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4480
      Hadith #3396 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant and protected until there have been twelve Caliphs , all of them from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4481
      Hadith #3397 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      In Sunan of al-Tirmidhi:

      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "There will be after me twelve Amir (Prince/Ruler), all of them from Quraysh."

      Sunan al-Tirmidhi (Arabic)
      Chapter of Fitan,
      2:45 (India) and 4:501 Tradition # 2225 (Egypt)
      Hadith #2149 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      In Sunan of Abu Dawud:

      This religion remains standing until there are twelve vicegerents over you, all of them agreeable to the nation, all of them from Quraysh."

      Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic)
      2:421, Kitab al-Mahdi.

      Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic)
      3:106, Kitab al-Mahdi.
      Hadith #3731 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      "The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs ," So people said Takbir and made noise, then he said a light word I didn't hear. I [Jabir bin Samura] said to my father: What did he say? He said "All of them are from Quraysh."

      Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic)
      2:421, Kitab al-Mahdi.

      Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic)
      3:106, Kitab al-Mahdi.
      Hadith #3732 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      In Sahih of al-Bukhari:

      Narrated Jabir ibn Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve commanders (Amir) ." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraysh."

      Sahih al-Bukhari (English)
      Hadith: 9.329, Kitabul Ahkam.

      Sahih al-Bukhari (Arabic)
      4:165, Kitabul Ahkam.
      Hadith #6682 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)

      These traditions are also narrated in other sources [1].

      And in a tradition:

      Then the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) spoke a few words which I could not understand. Then I asked my father: "What did the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) say?" He said: "All of them are from the Quraysh." [2]

      And in another tradition:

      "The enmity of their enemies will not harm them." [3]

      And in another tradition:

      "This nation will always remain straight in its affairs, and triumphant against the enemies, till twelve Caliphs will be among them; all of them from Quraysh. Then there will be discord and confusion." [4]

      And in a tradition:

      "There will be twelve upright Imams for this nation. Those who try to disgrace them will not succeed; all of them shall be from the Quraysh."

      "The affair of the people will continue as long as twelve men rule over them."

      And from Anas:

      "This religion will remain till twelve Imams from Quraysh (will pass), then when they expire the earth will swallow its inhabitants." [5]

      And in a tradition:

      "The affair of this nation will always be apparent till the twelve Imams will rise, all of them from the Quraysh." [6]

      Ahmad and Al-Hakim and others have narrated similarly from Masrooq who said:

      "We were sitting one evening with Abdullah (ibn Mas'ud). We were reciting the Qur'an, then a man asked him: "O Abu Abdur-Rahman, did you ask the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) how many Caliphs will rule this nation?" Abdullah said: "No one asked me about this before you from the time I arrived in Iraq." He said: "We asked him (the Prophet s.a.w.s.), he said: "Twelve , (like) the number of the Chiefs of Bani Israel." [7]

      And in a tradition:

      Ibn Mas'ud said: "The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) said: "There will be Caliphs after me, whose number is like those of the companions of Musa." [8]

      Ibn Kathir said: "And there is a similar narration from Abdullah bin 'Umar, Hudhayfah and Ibn 'Abbas. [9]
      However, I have been unable to find this tradition of Ibn 'Abbas or others as reported by Al Hakim Al Haskani.
      The traditions assert that the number of authorities are twelve and all of them are from Quraysh, and, Imam Ali (peace be upon him) clarified it in his speech that they shall be from the Quraysh when he said: "Surely Imams will be from the Quraysh, they have been planted in this line through Hashim. It would not suit others nor would others be suitable as heads of affairs." [10]

      And he said: "O Allah! Yes, but the earth is never devoid of those who maintain Allah's plea either openly and reputedly or, being afraid, and hidden in order that Allah's pleas and proofs should not be rebutted." [11]


      Notes: Continue ...

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      • [1]
        Muslim b. al-Hajjaj, Sahih, 3:1453, Tradition No. 1821, Kitabul Imarah.
        Al-Bukhari, Sahih, 4:165, Kitabul Ahkam.
        Al-Tirmidhi, Sunan, Chapter of Fitan, 2:45 (India) and 4:501 Tradition # 2225 (Egypt)
        Abu Dawud, Sunan, 3:106, Kitab al-Mahdi.
        Al-Tayalisi, Musnad, Tradition No. 767 and 1278.
        Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, 5:86.
        Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-'Ummal 13:26-27.
        Abu Nu'aym al-Isbahani, Hilyat al-'awliya' , 4:333.
        Jabir bin Samurah bin Junada was the nephew of Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas. He died at Kufa. The compilers of traditions have narrated 146 traditions from him. For his biography, refer to Usd al-Ghaba or Taqrib al-Tahdhib.
      • [2]
        Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:338.
        Al-Hakim al-Nisaburi, Mustadrak al-Sahihayn 3:167.
      • [3]
        Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:338.
      • [4]
        Muntakhab Kanz al-'Ummal 5:321.
        Ibn Kathir, Ta'rikh, 6:249.
        Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa, Vol 10.
        Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-'Ummal ,13:26.
        Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqa Vol 28.
      • [5]
        Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-'Ummal , 13:27
      • [6]
        Ibid.
      • [7]
        Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, 1:398 and 406.
        Al-Hakim al-Nisaburi, Mustadrak , 4:501
        Al-Dhahabi, Talkhis , 4:501.
        Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:339.
        Ali b. Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma' al-Zawa'id 5:190.
        Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqa, vol 12.
        Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa, Vol 10.
        [Al-Suyuti or al-Tabarani], Jami' al-Saghir 1:75.
        Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-'Ummal, 13:27.
      • [8]

        Ibn Kathir, Ta'rikh, 6:248.
        Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Kanz al-'Ummal, 13:27.
        Al-Haskani , Shawahid al-Tanzil, 1:455, Tradition No. 626.
      • [9]
        Ibn Kathir, Ta'rikh, 6:248.
      • [10]
        Imam 'Ali b. Abi Talib [a], Nahjul Balagha, Sermon no. 142.
      • [11]
        Shaykh Sulayman Qanduzi al-Hanafi, Yanabi' al-Mawaddah, p. 523.

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      Originally posted by inuit:
      Dr. Israr said Bukhari is completely correct but making the list of Mujadadeen and Imam Mehdi(AS) he forgot the following hadith.

      The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) informed that the number of Imams after him are twelve, as the compilers of Sihah and Masanid have narrated it.


      In Sahih of Muslim:

      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The [Islamic] religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4483
      Hadith #3398 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men , all of them from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4478
      Hadith #3394 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      Narrated Jabir ibn Samura: The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "This matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs ." He then whispered a sentence. I asked my father what the Prophet said. He said, the Prophet added: "All of them will be from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1009, Tradition #4477
      Hadith #3393 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs , all of them from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4479
      Hadith #3395 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs , all of them from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4480
      Hadith #3396 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant and protected until there have been twelve Caliphs , all of them from Quraysh."

      Sahih Muslim, (English version)
      Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraysh and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraysh),
      v3, p1010, Tradition #4481
      Hadith #3397 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      In Sunan of al-Tirmidhi:

      The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "There will be after me twelve Amir (Prince/Ruler), all of them from Quraysh."

      Sunan al-Tirmidhi (Arabic)
      Chapter of Fitan,
      2:45 (India) and 4:501 Tradition # 2225 (Egypt)
      Hadith #2149 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      In Sunan of Abu Dawud:

      This religion remains standing until there are twelve vicegerents over you, all of them agreeable to the nation, all of them from Quraysh."

      Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic)
      2:421, Kitab al-Mahdi.

      Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic)
      3:106, Kitab al-Mahdi.
      Hadith #3731 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      "The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs ," So people said Takbir and made noise, then he said a light word I didn't hear. I [Jabir bin Samura] said to my father: What did he say? He said "All of them are from Quraysh."

      Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic)
      2:421, Kitab al-Mahdi.

      Sunan Abu Dawud (Arabic)
      3:106, Kitab al-Mahdi.
      Hadith #3732 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)


      In Sahih of al-Bukhari:

      Narrated Jabir ibn Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve commanders (Amir) ." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraysh."

      Sahih al-Bukhari (English)
      Hadith: 9.329, Kitabul Ahkam.

      Sahih al-Bukhari (Arabic)
      4:165, Kitabul Ahkam.
      Hadith #6682 (numbering of al-'Alamiyyah)

      These traditions are also narrated in other sources [1].

      And in a tradition:

      Then the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) spoke a few words which I could not understand. Then I asked my father: "What did the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) say?" He said: "All of them are from the Quraysh." [2]

      And in another tradition:

      "The enmity of their enemies will not harm them." [3]

      And in another tradition:

      "This nation will always remain straight in its affairs, and triumphant against the enemies, till twelve Caliphs will be among them; all of them from Quraysh. Then there will be discord and confusion." [4]

      And in a tradition:

      "There will be twelve upright Imams for this nation. Those who try to disgrace them will not succeed; all of them shall be from the Quraysh."

      "The affair of the people will continue as long as twelve men rule over them."

      And from Anas:

      "This religion will remain till twelve Imams from Quraysh (will pass), then when they expire the earth will swallow its inhabitants." [5]

      And in a tradition:

      "The affair of this nation will always be apparent till the twelve Imams will rise, all of them from the Quraysh." [6]

      Ahmad and Al-Hakim and others have narrated similarly from Masrooq who said:

      "We were sitting one evening with Abdullah (ibn Mas'ud). We were reciting the Qur'an, then a man asked him: "O Abu Abdur-Rahman, did you ask the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) how many Caliphs will rule this nation?" Abdullah said: "No one asked me about this before you from the time I arrived in Iraq." He said: "We asked him (the Prophet s.a.w.s.), he said: "Twelve , (like) the number of the Chiefs of Bani Israel." [7]

      And in a tradition:

      Ibn Mas'ud said: "The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) said: "There will be Caliphs after me, whose number is like those of the companions of Musa." [8]

      Ibn Kathir said: "And there is a similar narration from Abdullah bin 'Umar, Hudhayfah and Ibn 'Abbas. [9]
      However, I have been unable to find this tradition of Ibn 'Abbas or others as reported by Al Hakim Al Haskani.
      The traditions assert that the number of authorities are twelve and all of them are from Quraysh, and, Imam Ali (peace be upon him) clarified it in his speech that they shall be from the Quraysh when he said: "Surely Imams will be from the Quraysh, they have been planted in this line through Hashim. It would not suit others nor would others be suitable as heads of affairs." [10]

      And he said: "O Allah! Yes, but the earth is never devoid of those who maintain Allah's plea either openly and reputedly or, being afraid, and hidden in order that Allah's pleas and proofs should not be rebutted." [11]


      Notes: Continue ...
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      Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi:
      this u took out, out of context

      what he meant was that only Prophets are Masoom unil khataa...

      so any sahaabi was not masoom so will not be Hadhrat Mehdi as he is not a prophet but a mujaddid (imaam according to shia belief so is masoom cuz shia believe imaam are masoom)

      that's all he said about it...
      just to add ......sahbah are not masoom ...but they are mahfooz from khatta.......they will repent quickly if they do some thing bad.......
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      Originally posted by bao bihari:
      sahbah are not masoom ...but they are mahfooz from khatta.......they will repent quickly if they do some thing bad.......
      What does this mean? what is the difference? Dont play with words!

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      Originally posted by bao bihari:
      just to add ......sahbah are not masoom ...but they are mahfooz from khatta.......they will repent quickly if they do some thing bad.......
      what does that mean? "if they do something bad" means they are not "masoom", and thats what everyone believes that they were not "masoom".

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      Can we please, stay on the topic :-)???

      As for the sidenote on the topic started besides the main purpose of this thread, Sahaabas were much better personalities than us for sure.. right? and we should understand why ALLAH says in Quran:
      • ﻢﻴﺟﺮﻟﺍ ﻦﻄﻴﺸﻟﺍ ﻦﻣ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﺎﺑ ﺫﻮﻋ ﺍ

        100. The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes)[Al-Muhaajiroon of Makkah] and of those who gave them aid (Al-Ansaar of Al Madinah AL munawwarah) , and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well- pleased is Allah with them (Radhi ALLAHO ANHUM) , as are they with Him: for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity.
      [Surah At-Tauba : 9 ]


      and I can only share one hadith:

      Rasoolulah :saw: said:

      My companions are like stars. Whoever you will follow among them, will lead you to the guidance.
      Quite often good things have hurtful consequences. There are instances of men who have been ruined by their money or KILLED by their COURAGE.” ~Aristotle

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      Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi:
      and I can only share one hadith:

      Rasoolulah :saw: said:

      My companions are like stars. Whoever you will follow among them, will lead you to the guidance.
      This is a fabricated “hadith”, which is basically spoiling your religion and concepts. Building the concepts of religions on wrong bases is not wisdom. 1st the term “companion” is not well defined. There are conflicts among Sunni muslims regarding its meaning and scope. Soppose we consider it true then we must have to tell number of companions. How many those were, 1 thousand, 2 thousand or 100 thousand. Moreover were they all remain on the right path after the Holy prophet (PBUH), which is proved that not all of them remain on the right path on the base of the following Hadith. 2nd companion were not that masoom, so we can follow them as absolute authorities of, Allah(swt).


      Sahih Muslim
      Book 30. The Excellent Qualities Of The Holy Prophet (pbuh) And His Companions. Hadith 5706.
      Anas b. Malik reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Some persons from amongst my associates would turn to my Cistern; when I would see them and they would be presented to me, they would be detained in the way while coming to me. I would say: My Lord, they are my companions, they are my companions, and it would be said to me: You don't know what innovations they made after you.


      Twelve Imams(as) are, The absolute authorities of, Allah(swt), among all the mankind after The Holy Prophet(pbuh&hf). These Imams are like North star. Whoever you will follow them, will lead you to the guidance.

      Imam Mehdi (AS) is one of those. Hazrat Abu Hurayrah (radiyallahu anhu) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:


      "If only one day is left for the end of the world, Allah will lengthen that day until a man from my family, whose name will be the same as mine, rules the world.” (Tirmizi Shareef)



      Certainly the word has proved true of most of them, so they do not believe. {7} Surely We have placed chains on their necks, and these reach up to their chins, so they have their heads raised aloft. {8} And We have made before them a barrier and a barrier behind them, then We have covered them over so that they do not see. {9} And it is alike to them whether you warn them or warn them not: they do not believe. {10} You can only warn him who follows the reminder and fears the Beneficent Allah in secret; so announce to him forgiveness and an honorable reward. Quran Sura 36 - Ya-Seen

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