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      Originally posted by armughal:
      since u asked, i had to go to tafsir-ibn-kathir to check out the interpretation of the verse....
      and imam ibn-kathir too thinks that this verse is a clear indication that khizr (as) had died and does not live any longer....
      he mentions that many scholars have used this verse as evidence to the fact that khizr (as) is not alive now.....

      u may read it urself if u like for better understanding....
      How come you always come up with things that I'm about to say : )

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      Ibn Sadique: posted 03-06-2004 10:18 AM

      I hope this info will help:

      ”The great Hadith expert (Hafidh) Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on Him) deals with aspects related to Sayyiduna Khadir (or as some call him, Khidar, Peace be upon him) in his monumental commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, ‘Fath al-Bari’. The following is the summary from ‘Fath al-Bari’, in relation to the following Points:

      1) His real name

      As far as the first aspect is concerned, in a Hadith recorded by Imam al-Bukhari in his ‘Sahih’, the messenger of Allah said:

      “He was named Khadir because he sat over a barren white land. It turned green with plantation after he sat on it”. (Sahih al-Bukhari).

      It should be remembered that the word ‘Khadir’ is from the word ‘Khadrah’ which means greenness and to be green. It has been narrated from Mujahid (a great scholar of Tafsir) that another reason for him being called ‘Khadir’ is that when he used to pray and worship Allah, everything around him would turn green.

      The Scholars have debated about what his real name was, prior to being called Khadir. Wahb ibn Munahbah said: It was ‘Balya’. Some said: His name was ‘Ilyas’. Others said: ‘Aamir’ and some mentioned that it was ‘Kadirun’. (Allah knows best)

      2) Was he a Prophet?

      With regards to the second point, most of the Scholars are of the view that he was a Prophet, although some have said: “He was a pious servant of Allah.”

      3) Is he still alive?

      The third question of whether he is still alive or has passed away was a matter of great debate between the Scholars. Ibn Salah said:

      “According to the vast majority of the Scholars, he is still alive. Only some Hadith Scholars have denied this including Imam Nawawi. The incidents and stories of his meeting with many people reject there opinion”.

      Ka’b ibn al-Ahbar said:

      “There are four Prophets who are alive and a source of security for mankind. Two are in the heavens: Idris and Esa , and two on land: Khidar and Ilyas”.

      There are also some narrations which indicate that he came at the time of the demise of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) and also met some of the Companions (Sahaba). However, most of these narrations are either weak (Da’eef) or fabricated (Mawdu).

      In conclusion, there is uncertainty with regards to Sayyiduna Khadir (Allah bless him). The scholars have many different and conflicting views regarding his name, age and whereabouts. Nothing can be said for certain.”

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      Originally posted by inuit:

      Ibn Sadique: posted 03-06-2004 10:18 AM

      The great Hadith expert (Hafidh) Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on Him) deals with aspects related to Sayyiduna Khadir (or as some call him, Khidar, Peace be upon him) in his monumental commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, ‘Fath al-Bari’...
      Ibn Hajar in fact has a separate book on this topic in which he deals with the issue in greater detail looking at it from both sides of the argument...

      Only some Hadith Scholars have denied this including Imam Nawawi...
      From memory, Bukhari and the prominent Hanbali scholar Ibn al Jawzi are two others who also denied that he is still alive. Ibn al Jawzi presented some ten reasons to support his view... wish I could remember what they were... It is strange that al Sakhawi in his biography of al Nawawi says that al Nawawi used to meet Khizr yet in the above excerpt from Fath al Bari we have al Nawawi mentioned as someone who denied Khizr being alive!?

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      P.S.

      Originally posted by inuit:

      Ibn Sadique: posted 03-06-2004 10:18 AM

      “According to the vast majority of the Scholars, he is still alive..."
      Differs from what Ibn Hajar himself quotes in his book on Khizr where he mentions from Abu Hayyan's Qur'an commentary that, "The majority are of the view that he has died..."

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      the question remains: what is he doing by being alive? why does he meet people?
      Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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      Quote Originally Posted by armughal View Post
      the question remains: what is he doing by being alive? why does he meet people?
      The same could be said about the Companions of the Cave - What are they doing by being alive?
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      Sahih Muslim

      Book 041, Number 7017:
      Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) one day gave a detailed account of the Dajjal and in that it was also included: He would come but would not be allowed to ether the mountain passes to Medina. So he will alight at some of the barren tracts near Medina, and a person who would be the best of men or one from amongst the best of men would say to him: I bear testimony to the fact that you are Dajjal about whom Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had informed us. The Dajjal would say: What is your opinion if I kill this (person), then I bring him back to life; even then will you harbour doubt in this matter? They would say: No. He would then kill (the man) and then bring him back to life. When he would bring tha@ person to life, he would say: By Allah, I had no better proof of the fact (that you are a Dajjal) than at the present time (that you are actually so). The Dajjal would then make an attempt to kill him (again) but he would not be able to do that. Abu Ishaq reported that it was said: That person would be Khadir (Allah be pleased with him).
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      Khizar aur Khizar related stories has nothing to do with a practical religion like Islam. If one look into the core of these stories then one can conclude that, they give u a lesson being impractical and wants u to be dependent on miracles kind of stuff all the time.

      If Khizar and likewise personalites ( shia have alot of them)are alive please ask them to come in the picture now coz over one million muslims has been killed and chances are the number will be double with an years period. so they have to show up to save the muslims.
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      Here is an interesting article (more of a historical research) on Khizr. He most certainly is a pur-asraar personality.

      http://www.sufism.ru/eng/txts/a_ubiquitous.htm#11

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      Quote Originally Posted by ramyssysIX View Post
      Here is an interesting article (more of a historical research) on Khizr. He most certainly is a pur-asraar personality.

      http://www.sufism.ru/eng/txts/a_ubiquitous.htm#11
      Scholars normally denys the ahadessa and stories from Sufies
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      Which scholars do? Baqol many on GS, "references please!"

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      Khiz'r :as: exists

      I know from experience.

      End of topic. Close it.
      Quite often good things have hurtful consequences. There are instances of men who have been ruined by their money or KILLED by their COURAGE.” ~Aristotle

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      Quote Originally Posted by ramyssysIX View Post
      Which scholars do? Baqol many on GS, "references please!"
      Its long list of scholars,

      Few of them are as follows,

      Imam Zahbi, Illama Ibn-e-Jozi, Imam Tamima,

      above scholars judgement is based on these kind of statement from Sufis

      Nooh ibn -e-Mariyam says , that he have invented ahadees defining "fazail-e-Quran" he justifies his act by further adding that he had no evil intention while doing so, his intentions were to bring people towards Quran.

      Ref: Maizan-ul-Aitdal, Fateh-ul-Mughees
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      Quote Originally Posted by Anwaar Qureshi View Post
      Khiz'r :as: exists

      I know from experience.

      End of topic. Close it.
      and may i ask who r u?

      anyway next time u see him ask him to do something about Bush and if he is not capable of doing so, ask him atleast try to harm Altaf...
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      Quote Originally Posted by hanibal View Post
      and may i ask who r u?

      anyway next time u see him ask him to do something about Bush and if he is not capable of doing so, ask him atleast try to harm Altaf...
      We ask such things from Allah:swt:

      That's not khiz'r:as: job.... He is not running the universe .. everything happens with the Will of Allah:swt: not yours, mine or Khiz'r:as:
      Quite often good things have hurtful consequences. There are instances of men who have been ruined by their money or KILLED by their COURAGE.” ~Aristotle

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      Quote Originally Posted by Anwaar Qureshi View Post
      We ask such things from Allah:swt:

      That's not khiz'r:as: job.... He is not running the universe .. everything happens with the Will of Allah:swt: not yours, mine or Khiz'r:as:
      Ofcourse he is not running the universe, niether he can! but according it is said that he has control over waters and kind of stuff, and infact there are same rhymes asking him to grant a successfull voyage.

      anyway once, i was in flood-hitted area of Punjab and one of the local resident told me that this flood was result of the fight between Khizar and some local sufi who was burried there...

      Above is the slightest view of ignorance and impractility of Muslims... Book of sufis ( the original story teller about Khizar) are full of these kind of incidents...

      and u added that because u have experinced him thats y it is reality??? i may ask that what is ur status?
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      Quote Originally Posted by hanibal View Post
      Ofcourse he is not running the universe, niether he can! but according it is said that he has control over waters and kind of stuff, and infact there are same rhymes asking him to grant a successfull voyage.
      never heard of that... nor do I know about that...
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      anyway once, i was in flood-hitted area of Punjab and one of the local resident told me that this flood was result of the fight between Khizar and some local sufi who was burried there...
      that is pure Jahaalat.. what can I say? I dissassociate myself from such beliefs
      Quote Originally Posted by hanibal View Post
      Above is the slightest view of ignorance and impractility of Muslims... Book of sufis ( the original story teller about Khizar) are full of these kind of incidents...
      if they are like the above mentioned, they are unislamic IMO.
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      and u added that because u have experinced him thats y it is reality???
      subjective
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      Quote Originally Posted by Anwaar Qureshi View Post
      never heard of that... nor do I know about that...
      that is pure Jahaalat.. what can I say? I dissassociate myself from such beliefs
      if they are like the above mentioned, they are unislamic IMO.
      subjective

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      that is one of the way to turn away!!!

      so if i translate ur statement that means

      app ab line per aagay haiN
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