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      JazakAllah khair Rehman1 and Gupguppy.

      I agree Rehman1 bhai that we need to follow closely what our beloved prophet Mohammed(SAW) did and stay away from stuff added on by other.

      May Allah(SWT) guide us all to the path of siraat-al-mustaqeem - Ameen.

      Allah(SWT) knows best

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      rehman1, you had said "Its not Sunnah to read anything hundreds or millions of time" which is wrong... read the hadith i posted...

      Originally posted by rehman1:

      Why should I read anything narrated by buzurgs for getting close
      to Allah(SWT).
      Like you said, "Just read what ever our Prophet Muhammad (May Allah's peace and blessing be upon) has recited."... if he specified a certain number of repetitions then recite it that many times... if he left it open and encouraged more and more repetition then recite it as many times as you like...

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      I would like to revive this thread...

      Qareen means companion, and in fact, can be called "Jinnati" جِنَّةِ for the general use of the word, or Jaann جَآنَّ in terms of a pair (just like Insaan is a pair Man+Woman). Please look at the sequences and the way they are used in the Quran in relation to INS.

      Where INSI اِنْسِ is used, JINNI جِنِّ is used
      Where INSAAN اِنْسَانَ is used, JAAN جَآنَّ is used
      Where an-NAAS اَلنَّاسِ is used, al-Jinnati اَلجِنَّةِ is used

      Now let's first look at armughal's quoted translation of the verse 43:36:
      If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of (Allah) Most Gracious We appoint for him an evil one to be an intimate companion to him.

      Please show me how he translated Saitaan as "An Evil One"?

      Shaitaan comes from ShaTaNa which means "it/he distanced/lengthened/detached/burned/rebelled-in-pride/turned-in-opposition"

      Descriptive isn't it...

      A classical Arabic use os the term:
      اِنَّه‘ لَيَنْزَوْ بَيْنَ شَطَنَيْنِ
      Verily, it (horse) leaps between two long ropes.

      Or
      رَكِبَه‘ شَيْطَانَه
      His anger got the better of him

      Or
      نَزَعَ شَيْطَانَه
      He plunched out his pride

      So how do we translate this verse?

      If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of (Allah) Most Gracious We appoint for him ALL THAT IS DISTANT FROM GOODNESS to be a CONSTANT COMPANION to him.

      So there is no being tethered to you... it's your own psyche.

      Second point, the way I described the pairs. INS or A-Na-Sa means "He became sociable/friendly/conversable/without-aversion" ... this again is describing social behaviour ... and Jinn has everything to do with staying hidden, or averting, or concealment ... so these are behavioural pairs in themselves and can be used for the same species. Nomads and Shamans for instance can be considered Jinn and are different from the INS or the urbanites.

      Another possibility is of type #3 - al-Jinnati and an-Naasi. We can start with deciphering an-Naas. It is strange that sometimes, the following expression was used:

      نَاسِ مِنْ بَنِيْ فُلَانٍ
      People from the tribe of "so and so"

      And yet, the slam dunk of all

      نَاسِ مِنْ الجِنِّ
      People from the JINN .... WHAT???

      How would there be such an expression unless jinn was an attribute that differenciated one group from another within the same species?

      I have already explained what that attribute is.

      So let's look at one last word, IBLIS. This word comes from BaLaSa meaning "He/it dispaired"... hence IBLIS means "it/he that causes dispair"... sometihng bad or evil causes dispair, such as greed, or pride, or anger.

      So is IBLIS Jinn? I think so... we do not see our blinding pride or greed or anger ... it is as if "God has put a veil" on one's heart when he/she is under IBLIS' influence

      So is IBLIS Malikah? I think so... Malaik defined classically mean "those who are given control"... if we are blinded by IBLIS, aren't we under its control?

      So is IBLIS Shaitan? I think so... Isn't it distant or detatched from reason, intellect and goodness?

      And in the end, is Shaitaan your Qareen? NOT ALWAYS... but it is only a CONSTANT COMPANION (Qareen) if you let it be the better of you... by abandoning your God given intellect and reason and goodness, hence becoming detatched/distant (ShaTaNa) with reality and trailing in humanity.

      I hope this post proves meaningful for those who are finding it difficult to swallow "hocus pocus", like me...
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      I heard Hamzaad is something (not sure if a jinn or angel) is by you till you die.

      And you know when you visit a person who has knowledge of jadoo (magic) to find out about your past and stuff like that. It is this Hamzaad where they get info about your past and stuff.

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      Quote Originally Posted by teaser View Post
      I heard Hamzaad is something (not sure if a jinn or angel) is by you till you die.

      And you know when you visit a person who has knowledge of jadoo (magic) to find out about your past and stuff like that. It is this Hamzaad where they get info about your past and stuff.

      Wallah Hu Alam
      More hocus pocus... thanks for the insightful comment.
      Yes your psyche and memories stay with you all your life... hypnotists can do the same btw.
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      yaaar why would i want to capture my hamzad, if he is my duplicate then he is probably just as much of a procrastinating lazy slacker that I am, I may actually end up creating more work for myself by having this hamzad run around. can i try to capture teh hamzad of bezos, gates, the google guys or, branson etc?
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      Hamzaad - sounds like a mawkkil (jinn) to me.

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      I heard of Hamzaad, Muwakkils etc. Some scholars say that they might exist as some people expereinced that. There is nothing which goes in favor as well as in denial, when it comes to Islam

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      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
      I heard of Hamzaad, Muwakkils etc. Some scholars say that they might exist as some people expereinced that. There is nothing which goes in favor as well as in denial, when it comes to Islam
      Ever heard he expression "It's all in your head" ??
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      Quote Originally Posted by hypnotix-2000 View Post
      Ever heard he expression "It's all in your head" ??
      Never. What is that?? Some kind of hocus-pocus

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      dudes I dont understand one thing,
      if womeone wants to discuss friggin existence of dinosaurs then peope start posting fatywas on how its a watse of time has no sharai value and the asker is a duffer etc.

      but on topics of hoor, hamzaad and assorted useless stuff its alright to do a gol-maiz-conference?

      something just does not add up here folks.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
      Never. What is that?? Some kind of hocus-pocus
      well if you've read my post and still think there are invisible fiery beings who accompany us under the names Hamzaad, Qareen, Muwakkil, Shaitaan and Iblis, then it's your choice. I think these are psychological elements (fiery nature v/s the bright and shining intellect) that do accompany us, all our lives... our better half and the worse one. Hence the free choice to listen to, and following either "whisper".

      So yes you can control your "Hamzaad" ... right now ... no mantras for 40 days in the cemetary.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      dudes I dont understand one thing,
      if womeone wants to discuss friggin existence of dinosaurs then peope start posting fatywas on how its a watse of time has no sharai value and the asker is a duffer etc.

      but on topics of hoor, hamzaad and assorted useless stuff its alright to do a gol-maiz-conference?

      something just does not add up here folks.
      No way to show them reality till they give up on delusions...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      dudes I dont understand one thing,
      if womeone wants to discuss friggin existence of dinosaurs then peope start posting fatywas on how its a watse of time has no sharai value and the asker is a duffer etc.

      but on topics of hoor, hamzaad and assorted useless stuff its alright to do a gol-maiz-conference?

      something just does not add up here folks.
      Ah, the intricacies of life. Dont you worry your puny little gray substance, too much

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      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
      Ah, the intricacies of life. Dont you worry your puny little gray substance, too much
      uggg!!! :thumbsup:
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      Possibly because these paranormal things are claimed to impact many people's present lives (I have personal experiences). This is not only true for desis in Indo-Pak, but also for many people in west and other parts of the world.

      The dinosaurs, on the other hand, are just a thing of the past, a source of pleasure for the archeologists and researchers in related fields of studies. Why would an ordinary person care unless he has personal interest in this area?

      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      dudes I dont understand one thing,
      if womeone wants to discuss friggin existence of dinosaurs then peope start posting fatywas on how its a watse of time has no sharai value and the asker is a duffer etc.

      but on topics of hoor, hamzaad and assorted useless stuff its alright to do a gol-maiz-conference?

      something just does not add up here folks.
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      why would a person care about hamzaad unless he has personal interest in that area?

      PS: dinosaurs have impacted people's lives too. I thank god for dinosaurs every day when I drive
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      Open this link: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html and enter the string jinn for a search. Don't forget to select all check boxes, so that all hadith compilations are included in the search. See how many authentic ahadith there are related to it. Even now will you think the way you think?


      Quote Originally Posted by hypnotix-2000 View Post
      I would like to revive this thread...

      Qareen means companion, and in fact, can be called "Jinnati" جِنَّةِ for the general use of the word, or Jaann جَآنَّ in terms of a pair (just like Insaan is a pair Man+Woman). Please look at the sequences and the way they are used in the Quran in relation to INS.

      Where INSI اِنْسِ is used, JINNI جِنِّ is used
      Where INSAAN اِنْسَانَ is used, JAAN جَآنَّ is used
      Where an-NAAS اَلنَّاسِ is used, al-Jinnati اَلجِنَّةِ is used

      Now let's first look at armughal's quoted translation of the verse 43:36:
      If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of (Allah) Most Gracious We appoint for him an evil one to be an intimate companion to him.

      Please show me how he translated Saitaan as "An Evil One"?

      Shaitaan comes from ShaTaNa which means "it/he distanced/lengthened/detached/burned/rebelled-in-pride/turned-in-opposition"

      Descriptive isn't it...

      A classical Arabic use os the term:
      اِنَّه‘ لَيَنْزَوْ بَيْنَ شَطَنَيْنِ
      Verily, it (horse) leaps between two long ropes.

      Or
      رَكِبَه‘ شَيْطَانَه
      His anger got the better of him

      Or
      نَزَعَ شَيْطَانَه
      He plunched out his pride

      So how do we translate this verse?

      If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of (Allah) Most Gracious We appoint for him ALL THAT IS DISTANT FROM GOODNESS to be a CONSTANT COMPANION to him.

      So there is no being tethered to you... it's your own psyche.

      Second point, the way I described the pairs. INS or A-Na-Sa means "He became sociable/friendly/conversable/without-aversion" ... this again is describing social behaviour ... and Jinn has everything to do with staying hidden, or averting, or concealment ... so these are behavioural pairs in themselves and can be used for the same species. Nomads and Shamans for instance can be considered Jinn and are different from the INS or the urbanites.

      Another possibility is of type #3 - al-Jinnati and an-Naasi. We can start with deciphering an-Naas. It is strange that sometimes, the following expression was used:

      نَاسِ مِنْ بَنِيْ فُلَانٍ
      People from the tribe of "so and so"

      And yet, the slam dunk of all

      نَاسِ مِنْ الجِنِّ
      People from the JINN .... WHAT???

      How would there be such an expression unless jinn was an attribute that differenciated one group from another within the same species?

      I have already explained what that attribute is.

      So let's look at one last word, IBLIS. This word comes from BaLaSa meaning "He/it dispaired"... hence IBLIS means "it/he that causes dispair"... sometihng bad or evil causes dispair, such as greed, or pride, or anger.

      So is IBLIS Jinn? I think so... we do not see our blinding pride or greed or anger ... it is as if "God has put a veil" on one's heart when he/she is under IBLIS' influence

      So is IBLIS Malikah? I think so... Malaik defined classically mean "those who are given control"... if we are blinded by IBLIS, aren't we under its control?

      So is IBLIS Shaitan? I think so... Isn't it distant or detatched from reason, intellect and goodness?

      And in the end, is Shaitaan your Qareen? NOT ALWAYS... but it is only a CONSTANT COMPANION (Qareen) if you let it be the better of you... by abandoning your God given intellect and reason and goodness, hence becoming detatched/distant (ShaTaNa) with reality and trailing in humanity.

      I hope this post proves meaningful for those who are finding it difficult to swallow "hocus pocus", like me...

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