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      what's a kalma?

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      Quote Originally Posted by armughal

      fourth kalimah: la ilaha illa Allahu wahdahu la shareeka lahu, lahulmulk wa lahulhamd, yuhyee wa yumeet wa huwa hayy la yumeet abadab abada zuljalale walikram beyadihi alkhayr wa huwa ala kulli shayen qadeer
      Recorded in Musned Ahmed ibn Hanbal, Sunan al Tirmidhi, Mustadrak al Hakim, al Tabarani's Mu'jam al Kabir from Abdullah ibn Umar (r); by al Tabarani again but from al Mughira ibn Shu'ba (r) as part of a longer hadith; by al Bazzar in his Musnad from Abdul Rahman bin Awf - all without the words "abadan abada"; and by Ibn al Sunni in his Aml al Yawm wa al Layl from Anas ibn Malik (r) but starting, "ashhadu an..." and also without "abadan abada", with the following various words of encouragement:

      "Whoever enters the marketplace and recites... (the above words)... Allah writes for him a thousand, thousand good deeds and clears him of a thousand, thousand sins..."

      "Whoever recites in the morning... Allah will record for that person ten good deeds..."

      "Whoever recites... not intending anything other than seeking the Face of Allah, then by virtue of it Allah will admit him into the Blessed Garden."

      "That the Prophet (saw) would say at the end of the salah..."

      Sorry, I can't yet look into the various levels of authenticity as I'm pushed for time...

      I'll try to look at some of the other kalimahs later if I can... #1 and #2 are obvious and require no comment really...
      Last edited by gupguppy; Mar 16th, 2005 at 11:58 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by inuit
      Things are changed now.

      Now those mosques does not belong to Sunnies.

      some outsiders !
      not very diplomatic are u pet?

      does anyone know the anwser to what i asked? Iv always been brought up to recite all 6 kalmay whenever i can. i recite them all the time, mainly before going to bed. I dont understand this whole "innovation" stuff.
      I understand, I just don't care.

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      gupguppy u can find the first, second and third as well (or atleast something similar) in some ahadith....
      but to call them six kalimas of Islam and gruop them like this and make it an important issue for every muslim to memorize them etc etc is what i am talking about....
      Both Halal & Haram r evident but between them r doubtful things, most ppl have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from suspicious things saves his religion & honor, & whoever indulges in suspicious things indulges in Haram.

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      ^ yes, i noticed you said earlier on that "its the grouping of these six that i do not like...."

      also, #5 & #6 are proving difficult to trace from hadith in their present wording...

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      Quote Originally Posted by armughal
      first kalimah: la ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasool Allah
      second kalimah: ashhadu an la ilaha ill Allah wahdahu la shareek lahu, wa ashhadu anna Muhammad abduhu wa rasuluho
      third kalimah: subhaan Allahi walhamdolellahi la ilaha illla Allahu wallahu akbar wa la hawla wa la quwwata illa billah elaliy alazeeem
      fourth kalimah: la ilaha illa Allahu wahdahu la shareeka lahu, lahulmulk wa lahulhamd, yuhyee wa yumeet wa huwa hayy la yumeet abadab abada zuljalale walikram beyadihi alkhayr wa huwa ala kulli shayen qadeer
      fifth kalimah: astaghfarullah rabbi min kulli zanbin aznabtuhu amadan aw khata'an siran aw alaniyatan wa atubuhu ilayhi min azzanb illazi aalamu wa min azzanb illazi la aalamu innaka anta allama ulghuyoob wa sattar uluyoob wa ghaffar uzzunoob wa la hawla wa la quwwata illa billah elaliy alazeeem
      sixth kalimah: allahumma inni aaoozubika min an ushrika bika shay wa ana aalamu bihee wa astaghfiruka lima la aalamu bihi tubtu anhu wa tabra'atu min al kufr wa asshirk wa alkezib wa algheebat wa albid'at wa alnameemat wa alfawahish wa albuhtan wa alma'asi kulliha wa aslamtu wa aqoolu la ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasool Allah
      ArMughal Bhai, I do apologise if I sound Ignorant, Iman se comparing the knowledge you display you are in college and I am in pre K, please do forgive my ignorence, but I was under the impression there is only one Kalama, and if we are talking about the pillars of Islam, arent they supposed to be 5.

      Again I do profusely apologise for my Ignorance.

      Aejaz

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      Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Mohabbat
      not very diplomatic are u pet?

      does anyone know the anwser to what i asked? Iv always been brought up to recite all 6 kalmay whenever i can. i recite them all the time, mainly before going to bed. I dont understand this whole "innovation" stuff.

      That is what I meant !

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      arent the just dua's? i know them with translation. i dont think they are foundation of aqeeda but they are just tasbeeh and duas to me.

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      Asalaamu'Alaykum

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      [size=2]why is it only 6? thats not alot to learn is it? in my family we get told to learn as much as we can. btw who said it has to be 6? man some pakis make sum funny innovations in Islam![/size]

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ma Mooli View Post
      Thanks armughal. It prolly is the same, but the kids i knew with have an urdu version.
      goes like this, pehla kalima________, _______ ma'ana paak, dooja kalima, teesra kalima...etc. Im trying to recall the words.
      Not sure if it's the same thing, but we say
      "Pahila Kalma Twayab", "Doosra Kalma Shahadat", "Teesra Kalama Tamjeed", "Chowta Kalma Tawheed" etc... before each one.

      Is that wht you meant?

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      The kalimahs are just organized statements that describe our faith and belief. They are not biddah. There is no act of inaccurate religious practice in any of these. in fact reciting them or knowing them reiterates your faith.

      There are several actual innovations that we should be worried about in our society.
      Don't be hurtin' and hatin' cuz my phone is so cool!

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      There was a trend among elite mullahs, of early years, to introduce 1 new kalma, per 200 years. Part of the reason was, while earlier muslim scientists, were busy exploring the world, mullahs had not much to do. The trend stopped, until recently, I heard a 7th kalma is introduced.

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      Did someone say that the six Kalmas are only in the sub-continent?
      That is incorrect. They are everywhere.
      Yes, it would be good to study the origins of how and why they are organised that way.

      The first Kalma is fundamental to our Faith and appears in the Quran. It is something every Muslim from every sect knows and recites.

      The second Kalma is vital to becoming a Muslim. I have witnessed a few Sahadahs myself and it is used to bring people into Islam. Plus as per Ahadith if we do anything that sets us outside Islam (several small everyday mistakes do that), we must immediately do the Shahadah. So it is good prractice.

      I suggest you study the life of the prohpet (PBUH) and you'll examples and applications.

      The descriptions are secific to the reigions. To help people understand the purpose and application, like Tayyab man'e Paak, Shahad man'e Gawahi, Tamjeed man'e buzurgi... and so on. So students who don't know Arabic understand what it is.

      My brothers and sisters, please don't reject any part of Islam, unless you are really sure about it. If you cannot find the reason yourself, please get help from an Alim.

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