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      If mink coats were available during the time when Islamic rules were being made, would that have been added to the forbidden list? What about a pair of $1000 Italian leather shoes or a Jacquard-stiched suit by Gucci?

      Gold and silk represented the finest of accessories during that time and perhaps that's why they are expressly forbidden. That points out the downfalls of following the culture of a far away place from a far away time as if that was the end-all of an enlightened society. Limit it to silk and gold and it's kind of silly to not include mink. Start adding to the list of what is forbidden and all of a sudden you are following a man made religion that no one can agree on since there aren't 1000 year old documents to report the what somebody said that somebody heard that Muhammed had told someone else.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pinstripe Danda
      what does the quran say about lycra and breatheable synthic fibers... yea or nay? How about printed ties with checkered shirts? Brown shoes with black belts? I likethis concept of getting fashion advice from scripture.
      as usual.. NOTHING.. just as it doesn't say anything about a prohibition on Gold or Silk.. these kind of illogical rulings are only derived from post quranic disinformations spread by Persian conspirators working against Islam.

      [5:87] O you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which Allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
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      ::: *Munkir-e-Hadeeth* Alert :::
      Quite often good things have hurtful consequences. There are instances of men who have been ruined by their money or KILLED by their COURAGE. ~Aristotle

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole
      If mink coats were available during the time when Islamic rules were being made, would that have been added to the forbidden list? What about a pair of $1000 Italian leather shoes or a Jacquard-stiched suit by Gucci?

      Gold and silk represented the finest of accessories during that time and perhaps that's why they are expressly forbidden. That points out the downfalls of following the culture of a far away place from a far away time as if that was the end-all of an enlightened society. Limit it to silk and gold and it's kind of silly to not include mink. Start adding to the list of what is forbidden and all of a sudden you are following a man made religion that no one can agree on since there aren't 1000 year old documents to report the what somebody said that somebody heard that Muhammed had told someone else.
      I think you do have an excellent point. However just because we dont have a deeper understanding of an issue, doesnt mean there isnt something behind what has been sent down as guidance . Time is hardly an issue for Islam. The religion is for now just as it was for people hundreds of years ago . A religion hardly has a date of when it should expire.

      I however, think apart from the fact that one shouldnt spend money on such things, theres the whole issue of genders. In Islam, and particularly this topic, I think the point is that men are to stay away from silk and gold because they're feminine things. I dont know what else would be behind it, but the link I posted, its interesting how it mentions that men should avoid it due to the fact that its feminine. Now this of course can be argued, but I thought it was a thought provoking point brought forth which didnt come up before.

      As for man made. islam is not a man made religion. God sent down the Prophet (SAW) as an example to us all.

      Gucci suit, God would expect you to ditch it and spend the money on some orphans or something .

      Quote Originally Posted by PakistaniAbroad
      as usual.. NOTHING.. just as it doesn't say anything about a prohibition on Gold or Silk.. these kind of illogical rulings are only derived from post quranic disinformations spread by Persian conspirators working against Islam.

      [5:87] O you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which Allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
      Uh Allah sent down the Quran and the Prophet (SAW) as an example. Since when was there anything wrong with Sunnah. Why would God send down a Prophet (SAW) unless we were meant to use his life as an example.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Muslim_Queen
      think you do have an excellent point. However just because we dont have a deeper understanding of an issue, doesnt mean there isnt something behind what has been sent down as guidance . Time is hardly an issue for Islam. The religion is for now just as it was for people hundreds of years ago . A religion hardly has a date of when it should expire.

      I however, think apart from the fact that one shouldnt spend money on such things, theres the whole issue of genders. In Islam, and particularly this topic, I think the point is that men are to stay away from silk and gold because they're feminie things. I dont know what else would be behind it, but the link I posted, its interesting how it mentions that men should avoid it due to the fact that its feminine. Now this of course can be argued, but I thought it was a thought provoking point brought forth which didnt come up before.
      Perhaps Allah chose the Arabs because of the built-in machismo that was already prevalent in their culture? If gold was not feminine for all time (as is the case today), why would a religion where "time is hardly an issue" prohibit something where time was an issue?

      Allah sent down the Quran and the Prophet (SAW) as an example. Since when was there anything wrong with Sunnah. Why would God send down a Prophet (SAW) unless we were meant to use his life as an example.
      And he was but a man. So by following his life, even though he lived it as much as he could according to Allah, you are still mimicking what a man did but not calling it "man made". What about calilng it "man made as inspired by God"? Is that any more accurate?

      Since there were thousands of prophets before Muhammed and Islam was revealed centuries earlier, why is only then that mimicking everything the prophet became such an integral part of the religion?

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      The prophet ripped off a gold ring from someone's fingers and threw it to the ground? Gimme a break. You think a Prophet that is trustworthy and liked by everyone would do something like that. Are you going to respect someone who rips things off your body and throws them on the ground, or are you going to think the person is psychotic?

      Some of these hadith's really do seem to be invented by people conspiring against Islam. If these things were haraam and so evil, then the Quran would have said so. It doesnt. And the idea that gold and silk are all becoming and NATURAL to women, is a bit weird. I'm sorry, is it in our other X chromosome that men don't have...that a female will have mental and bodily reactions to not wearing or wearing gold and silk?

      Utter BS. You people need to think with your minds.

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      PCG you also think men are evil. We already know to ignore what you think because you don't know anything. These are actual hadis. Heck i have heard them from when i was a kid. I have been lectured by atleast 7 different people because i do wear gold. Medic and Mushi can atest to that fact.

      Now Sem as we all know you hate Islam, you said it yourself. Why do you have to go proving it all the time? What you fail to understand is that the prophet is the example of the perfect muslim. So if he says not to wear Gold or Silk, that is it. He is a prophet. We are sinner compared to him. If Christ had said something was wrong and is not allowed for his followers would you question why it wasn't mink and not fake fur?

      why is only then that mimicking everything the prophet became such an integral part of the religion?
      I will answer this very bluntly. Because christains have re-written the teachings of christ to follow what they want. There are easily 4 different versions of the Bible. The most obvious example is the King James version. That is man made religion. By changing what is decreed by a Prophet to suit your own physical needs and wants. The old testement, honestly have you not read religious lore? The Jews betrayed God and Prophet Moses at every turn. Why would they mimick the prophet then?

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      Quote Originally Posted by PyariCgudia
      The prophet ripped off a gold ring from someone's fingers and threw it to the ground? Gimme a break. You think a Prophet that is trustworthy and liked by everyone would do something like that. Are you going to respect someone who rips things off your body and throws them on the ground, or are you going to think the person is psychotic?

      Some of these hadith's really do seem to be invented by people conspiring against Islam. If these things were haraam and so evil, then the Quran would have said so. It doesnt. And the idea that gold and silk are all becoming and NATURAL to women, is a bit weird. I'm sorry, is it in our other X chromosome that men don't have...that a female will have mental and bodily reactions to not wearing or wearing gold and silk?

      Utter BS. You people need to think with your minds.

      I think these hadith's are pure fabrications.

      hahahaha.. PCG u can make any thread funny..

      not everything is mentioned in Quran, and therefore we have to use Sunnah to guide us through some decisions.

      just my 2 cents..
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      Quote Originally Posted by CM
      I will answer this very bluntly. Because christains have re-written the teachings of christ to follow what they want. There are easily 4 different versions of the Bible. The most obvious example is the King James version. That is man made religion. By changing what is decreed by a Prophet to suit your own physical needs and wants. The old testement, honestly have you not read religious lore? The Jews betrayed God and Prophet Moses at every turn. Why would they mimick the prophet then?
      You are out of your league when posting in WA, but that pales in comparison when you try your bullying "I know everything, you idiot" posts in Religion forum. If the King James Bible is man made religion, then so is following sunnah as if it the word of God and on par with Gods' words itself. If the Quran was the completed book, then everything that followed that Islam has now made an integral part of the religion is man made as well. Mimicking the every action of a man and calling it divine. Your attempt at a reply says nothing why certain things are prohibited and others aren't when the obvious reason is because those things weren't relevant at the time the religion was revealed. You speak about Jews betraying God at every turn. After 1400 years are Muslims doing any better?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ansoon
      hahahaha.. PCG u can make any thread funny..

      not everything is mentioned in Quran, and therefore we have to use Sunnah to guide us through some decisions.

      just my 2 cents..
      Not everything has to be spelled out in the Qur'an.. is Pizza haraam or halaal or only haraaam or halaal for women? sheeeesh.. there is common sense use it.

      Gold and silk are not haraam.. If Allah went to the extent of detailing what kind of food you can eat surely the Book was thick enough to accommodate any haraam halaal commandments on Gold and silk .. He didn't.. so they aren't.
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      ^ I see, and Allah didn't go to the extent of explaining how one should pray. I guess prayers aren't that important. Do them however you want or don't do them at all. No biggie.
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      Does he say how to perform hajj? By camel, plane, train or automobile?

      Did he add footnote to Quran that says prayers must be exactly as humans of the 7th century performed them? Or did he whisper things in Muhammed's ear that did not make the Quran?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Muslim_Queen
      `Umar reported that he heard the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) say, "Do not wear silk, for those who wear it in this life shall not wear it in the Hereafter." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
      What does it mean? will silken garment be provided in hereafter, if you do not wear it in this life?
      if yes, then
      Quote Originally Posted by Muslim_Queen
      ` referring to a silken garment, he said, "This is the dress of a man who has no character.'' (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
      Then doesn't it imply that in hereafter man has no character (because he will have silken garment which is haram in this life but will be provided in hereafter)

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      Quote Originally Posted by desinum1
      What does it mean? will silken garment be provided in hereafter, if you do not wear it in this life?
      if yes, then

      Then doesn't it imply that in hereafter man has no character (because he will have silken garment which is haram in this life but will be provided in hereafter)


      oh the cases of bokhari and muslim..........

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      Quote Originally Posted by Muslim_Queen
      The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) once saw a gold ring on a man's hand. He immediately took it from him and threw it down saying, "Does a person pick up a piece of burning coal and hold it in his hand?" After the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had left the place, someone asked the man, "Why do you not pick it up and benefit from it?" He replied, "No, by Allah! I shall not pick it up after the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) has thrown it away." (Reported by Muslim)
      After reading this, if any of the muslim brother like to be more halal and discard their golden belongings...please let me know time and place so i can pick it up and benefit from it..thank youji

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      As a verse of the Qur'an reveals, "… Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and the Final Seal of the Prophets." (Surat al-Ahzab: 40),

      You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah, for all who put their hope in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much. (Surat al-Ahzab: 21)

      Like the Prophet Muhammad (saas), the other prophets were also role models for believers, and enjoyed Allah's good pleasure. Allah says in one verse:

      There is instruction in their stories for people of intelligence. This [the Qur'an] is not a narration which has been invented but confirmation of all that came before, a clarification of everything, and a guidance and a mercy for people who believe. (Surah Yusuf: 111)

      We only send the Messengers to bring good news and to give warning. Those who disbelieve use fallacious arguments to deny the truth. They make a mockery of My Signs and also of the warning they were given.(Surat al - Kahf:56)

      Quote Originally Posted by PakistaniAbroad
      Not everything has to be spelled out in the Qur'an.. is Pizza haraam or halaal or only haraaam or halaal for women? sheeeesh.. there is common sense use it.

      Gold and silk are not haraam.. If Allah went to the extent of detailing what kind of food you can eat surely the Book was thick enough to accommodate any haraam halaal commandments on Gold and silk .. He didn't.. so they aren't.
      Now those are all verses from the Quran. Now somebody please tell me what they mean .Tell me how one can discard Sunnah, when it states clearly i nthe Quran that the Prophets were sent down so we might learn them and use their lives as examples.

      By now listening or believing in what the Prophet (SAW) said ,is that not contradicting the Quran?

      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole
      Does he say how to perform hajj? By camel, plane, train or automobile?
      Honestly semi that is enough mocking. I always tend to try to answer questions esp those of non Muslims, but if you can't respect my faith and ask questions in a civil manner you are free to go drown. Rather get trampled over by a camel.

      desinum1 and shweet whatever this also goes for you. If you wish to make jokes, we have a jokes forum. But do try to keep a respectful tone in threads in religion forum.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole
      You are out of your league when posting in WA, but that pales in comparison when you try your bullying "I know everything, you idiot" posts in Religion forum. If the King James Bible is man made religion, then so is following sunnah as if it the word of God and on par with Gods' words itself. If the Quran was the completed book, then everything that followed that Islam has now made an integral part of the religion is man made as well. Mimicking the every action of a man and calling it divine. Your attempt at a reply says nothing why certain things are prohibited and others aren't when the obvious reason is because those things weren't relevant at the time the religion was revealed. You speak about Jews betraying God at every turn. After 1400 years are Muslims doing any better?
      Semi I think we should discuss what has been said of the Prophet (SAW) and other Prophets, yes MEN, in the Quran. You'd be surprised. For now hopefully the verses I posted will be of help.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Muslim_Queen
      As a verse of the Qur'an reveals, " Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and the Final Seal of the Prophets." (Surat al-Ahzab: 40),

      You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah, for all who put their hope in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much. (Surat al-Ahzab: 21)

      Like the Prophet Muhammad (saas), the other prophets were also role models for believers, and enjoyed Allah's good pleasure. Allah says in one verse:

      There is instruction in their stories for people of intelligence. This [the Qur'an] is not a narration which has been invented but confirmation of all that came before, a clarification of everything, and a guidance and a mercy for people who believe. (Surah Yusuf: 111)


      We only send the Messengers to bring good news and to give warning. Those who disbelieve use fallacious arguments to deny the truth. They make a mockery of My Signs and also of the warning they were given.(Surat al - Kahf:56)



      Now those are all verses from the Quran. Now somebody please tell me what they mean .Tell me how one can discard Sunnah, when it states clearly i nthe Quran that the Prophets were sent down so we might learn them and use their lives as examples.

      By now listening or believing in what the Prophet (SAW) said ,is that not contradicting the Quran?



      Honestly semi that is enough mocking. I always tend to try to answer questions esp those of non Muslims, but if you can't respect my faith and ask questions in a civil manner you are free to go drown. Rather get trampled over by a camel.

      desinum1 and shweet whatever this also goes for you. If you wish to make jokes, we have a jokes forum. But do try to keep a respectful tone in threads in religion forum.
      muslimwhatever ill need u to post that gold stuff again in the jokes forum to be able to go there.....

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      Ok, I'll reword it just for you. There are many, many details that God did not reveal in his book (the only unaltered word of God) because it would take a library to cover every minute detail of life. Why is the arugment of "how does one pray" such an important reason for following sunnah? Perhaps it isn't that important that certains words are said on certain days at certain times facing a certain direction wearing certain clothes in the presence of certain people. Perhaps God doesn't place as much importance on these details as many believe and what is important about praying is mentioned in the Quran.

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