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      I was searching online for Ramzan calendar and came across this website where the order of rakats for each namaz is way different than what we do.

      Can someone post the order of correct rakats for each namaz please.

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      fajr : 2 sunnat - 2 farz
      zahur: 4 sunnat - 4 farz - 2 sunnat - 2 naffal
      asar: 4 sunnat* - 4 farz
      magrib: 4 sunnat* - 3 farz - 2 sunnat - 2 naffal
      aisha: 4 sunnat* - 4 farz - 2 sunnat - 2 naffal - 3 vitar - 2 nafal.

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      I know the farz rakats not nafals...

      Fajar: 2 farz
      Zuhar: 4 Farz
      Asr: 4 Farz
      Magrib: 3 Farz
      Esha: 4 Farz
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      farz man farz, sunnat and nafil are not farz,
      aside from farz do as many extras as you want to.
      if something was needed it would have been noted as a farz.

      so the correct rakaats are 2,4,4,3,4

      PS: Vittar is a dodgy subject though cuz its not not nafil and its not sunnat, but then its not farz either...so might as wel just do it to be on the safe side but I duno why it could not have been then just made a farz
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      ^^ Aha, finally a fatwa from Mufti Fraudia

      For the freinds outside Maslak-e-Imam Fraudia, sunnat covers the deficiencies of Farz (kind of balance that out), Nafl do the same for Sunnat. Good practice to at least do Sunnat

      Witr is Wajib

      Anyway, Zobia, where did you get this 4 sunnat before Maghrib. Never heard of that. In fact, you are not suppose to perform any Namaz b/w Asr Farz and Maghrib Farz (not even Nafl), with the exception of Qaza namaz (Hanafi Maslak, off course)

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      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      farz man farz, sunnat and nafil are not farz,
      aside from farz do as many extras as you want to.
      if something was needed it would have been noted as a farz.

      so the correct rakaats are 2,4,4,3,4

      PS: Vittar is a dodgy subject though cuz its not not nafil and its not sunnat, but then its not farz either...so might as wel just do it to be on the safe side but I duno why it could not have been then just made a farz
      -indeed nafil r not farz since u r doing for urself.
      - there is a way designed for everything. u cant just go n pray. u have to pray in limited time.
      - first we must knowledge of proper pronounciation of arabic, then proper wuzu n then pray.
      -even in dua u have follow a proper way. (no knowing is no more excuse in todays world)
      -u cant pray nafals in fajr n asar.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
      ^^ Aha, finally a fatwa from Mufti Fraudia

      For the freinds outside Maslak-e-Imam Fraudia, sunnat covers the deficiencies of Farz (kind of balance that out), Nafl do the same for Sunnat. Good practice to at least do Sunnat

      Witr is Wajib

      Anyway, Zobia, where did you get this 4 sunnat before Maghrib. Never heard of that
      for the logic defincient folks let me break it down

      1) sunnat is not farz

      2) nafil is not farz

      3) they are extra credits, so use em if you want to but not offering sunnat and farz is not going to give you any gunnah

      4) and this vitar/wajib thing is a source of confusion, can u explain what wajib is? why is wajib wajib and not farz? but i said be on teh safe side and just do it..
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      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      farz man farz, sunnat and nafil are not farz,
      aside from farz do as many extras as you want to.
      if something was needed it would have been noted as a farz.
      Yes, Prophet Mohammed needed the Sunna's so its Ok for him. Rest of us muslims dont need it because of ............ (cant think of a reason, Let Imam-ul-Waqt hazrat maulana fraudia come up with one)

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      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
      ^^ Aha, finally a fatwa from Mufti Fraudia

      For the freinds outside Maslak-e-Imam Fraudia, sunnat covers the deficiencies of Farz (kind of balance that out), Nafl do the same for Sunnat. Good practice to at least do Sunnat

      Witr is Wajib

      Anyway, Zobia, where did you get this 4 sunnat before Maghrib. Never heard of that. In fact, you are not suppose to perform any Namaz b/w Asr Farz and Maghrib Farz (not even Nafl), with the exception of Qaza namaz (Hanafi Maslak, off course)
      ya nafalz r not allowed after fajr n asar.

      where did i get it? well dat is wat i studied in my skool. but its not necessary.

      sunnat is present every namaz. jis terha kalma-e-tayab may ALLAH SWT k baad Hazrat Muhammad PBUH ka naam hai. same is wid namaz.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
      Yes, Prophet Mohammed needed the Sunna's so its Ok for him. Rest of us muslims dont need it because of ............ (cant think of a reason, Let Imam-ul-Waqt hazrat maulana fraudia come up with one)
      1)Did the Prophet call the sunnah a farz?
      2)what about nafil?
      3)did he always do all sunnahs and all nafil
      4) was there a time where he did not do some sunnah or nawafil and when asked said he feared that otherwise it too would be made into a farz for his ummah.

      please answer these questions.

      lastly going by your argument that the prophet needed those sunnah prayers, then may i suggest the following breakdown for everyone else

      1 million nafils after every prayer, because u would never be close nuff to the prophet, and if he offered sunnah and nafil because he needed them... then you need a million more to even think about doing what you..need.
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      hey someone has to present other views here, let that be me
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      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      1)Did the Prophet call the sunnah a farz?
      2)what about nafil?
      3)did he always do all sunnahs and all nafil
      4) was there a time where he did not do some sunnah or nawafil and when asked said he feared that otherwise it too would be made into a farz for his ummah.

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      1) Prophet said that follwing my sunnah is the safest passage to follow Islam
      2) Nafl is nafl, as you said, not neccassary
      3) he always performed all Sunna-e-Muwakkada (the one not only he performed but did Takeed for muslims to perform)
      4) That was for Taraweeh, only

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      now im more confused

      dont u offer farz before sunnat?

      another question while standing after bismillah are u supposd to read a surah in every standing whthr farz or suunat?

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      adratesiaeai, consult your nearest imam/mufti at your local masjid and let mr fraudia and tariqkhan continue here
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      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
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      1) Prophet said that follwing my sunnah is the safest passage to follow Islam
      safest, still not required, two different things so when we start tellign people what it is, lets be a little more descriptive yeah?

      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
      2) Nafl is nafl, as you said, not neccassary
      well technically, the same rule applies then right, if the prophet offered nafils then..shouldnt you or I? why are you now saying they are not necessary?

      to quote a good friend of mine "Yes, Prophet Mohammed needed the Sunna's so its Ok for him. Rest of us muslims dont need it because of ............ (cant think of a reason, Let Imam-ul-Waqt hazrat maulana fraudia come up with one) "


      Quote Originally Posted by tariqlkhan View Post
      3) he always performed all Sunna-e-Muwakkada (the one not only he performed but did Takeed for muslims to perform)
      but he did not call them a farz, ever.


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      4) That was for Taraweeh, only
      Thereby showing that sunnah is not a farz and is not required
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      Quote Originally Posted by adrasteia View Post

      dont u offer farz before sunnat?
      Not always. Zobia is right about Sunnah and Farz

      Quote Originally Posted by adrasteia View Post
      another question while standing after bismillah are u supposd to read a surah in every standing whthr farz or suunat?
      You read Sura-e-Fateha after bismillah. and then add another sura (at least 3 ayaat). In Farz, in 3rd and 4rth Rakaat, you can just recite Sura Fateha and not add another Sura (in farz only, in Sunnah and Nafl, you add another sura, always)

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      here is what ive been taught. ..

      you offer farz before sunnat
      so its 4 farz 4 sunnat not 4 sunnat and 4 farz

      and farz is where in the 3rd and 4th you dont read any surah after bismillah

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