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      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      first he needs to stop selling silk kurtas for men, drawing management salary for a place that sells stuff that is not allowed is not a very islamic thing to do.

      Its like saying he is drawing management salary of a restaurant that serves booze.

      secondly, he needs to close the shop, get rid of all proceeds from music business and any profit, interest etc etc that was based on that money.

      Then he can talk.

      PS: he also needs to compensate artists whose music he stole.
      Fair points.

      If he's serious he should get rid of all his Haraam wealth from his music career by giving it away to charity, he needs to stop earning more Haraam wealth by selling silk dresses for men (as silk is forbidden for males) and he needs to find himself a nice Halaal career and start from scratch.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mostar95 View Post
      These tableeghi jamat people put too much emphasis on their religious duties often ignoring their other duties. One of my college teacher left his student halfway through the academic year for a four months tableeghi visit.
      Man you should first understand that if we perform all our duties according to the teaching of Islam it is deen not other duty and as we are lacking in faith,EEMAN and belief in God and hence we are not performing our duties well when there will be DEEN in every walk of life there will be calm and no tentions therefore, there is need to learn and practice DEEN in the environment of MOSQUES and people who are pleasing God, to criticise is easy but to be Perfect is difficult, So don,t criticize bcz these persons come from our dirty environment and struggling to be DEEN in their and all people lives, May God bless them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      pre or post tableeghi influence?
      Post guidance from above.
      "Lets not dwell into matters which have already been dealt with 1400 years ago. Go read for yourself, and understand it yourself." Sh. Hamza Yusuf

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      Quote Originally Posted by Crescent_ View Post
      Post guidance from above.
      Interesting use of the word "above" since I do not think he's using what's up there if he is indeed sincere about this...
      شِمَع يَشرٰءِل يهوه إِلٰهينُو يهوه اَحَد

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      Quote Originally Posted by sweet_taboo View Post
      What an idiot of a teacher, by Islam he had to fulfill his responsibility to his students.

      I've met too many TJ's like this, some are good and balance Deen and Duniya but there's others who have made these 40 day and sometimes a lot longer yaatras almost equivalent to Hajj.

      I'm all for Deen but these people who only put emphasis on sitting in a corner of the Mosque doing Namaaz, Rozey, Zikr and Tilaawat all day are destroying the future of the Islamic-Ummah and Pakistan.

      Worship is important but Islam teaches a balance between life and spirituality, earning an honest legit living by sweat of the brow is also worship in Islaam.

      I shouldn't judge but I think some of them only go on these Yaatras for a vacation and to get away from their responsibilities.

      Sadly, Iv'e seen way too many stories depicting the TJ in such a colour... i dont know if this is what their organisation teaches, whether ppl just become like that after joining them, or maybe some pppl who dont know how to take responsibility well join them...

      - a dude left his 9 month pregnant wife alone in a flat and went for with TJ for 40 days, his wife begged him to not got, but his reply was "everything is in Allah's hand"!!!!!???!!!! while he was away, his wife went into labour and had to call her next door gora neighbour (male) to take her to the hospital

      - a man who used to have ppl stay at his house when they'd visit australia... anyway, his wife couldn't bear cooking 4 these ppl all the time and she she allowed him to get married to another women from paki... she came, but was NEVER given the status of a wife, and they told everyone that she is just someone from paki here to teach the kids quran!!! after a while, the first wife couldn't handle another women and ordered her husband to divorce the second wife! and that scoundral did! and she was left alone in a country where she knew nothing... thankfully ppl helped her out and now she is married to the MOST nicest man.

      - a man who'd go on tabligh all the time would let his daugheters dance on stage showing their bear stomachs! he was totally ok with it... and he allowed alcohol at his restaraunt!

      and the sad stories go on and on.....

      TJ ppl usually have good ikhlaq but its just so sad to see so many ppl pertaining to this group doing things that are totally not allowed in Islam... i dont get it?


      The first ppl that have haq on a person is your family, and these are the ppl that are often denied this with the excuse "i am going on tableeq"... deen and dunya do go saath saath.... staying in a mosque doesn't really help in implementing islam onto the society we live in.

      Wassalam.

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      ^ sadly yeah i know of people with similar instances.

      Those are people who are totally extremists and ofcourse islam has no room for those type of people.

      but as for TJ i've been to their "seminars" and stuff, and u have a choice as to what you want to do, they do recruit for the path of allah, but its the individual who makes the choice what he leaves behind. And some people are just plain idiots.
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      lol i knew this thread will go into a debate about TJ. There is much debate on this in the past on these forums..

      The seniors teach to take care of the family needs first and then go for whatever days you can. Sadly, there are few that take it overboard.

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      Quote Originally Posted by sweet_taboo View Post
      Fair points.

      If he's serious he should get rid of all his Haraam wealth from his music career by giving it away to charity, he needs to stop earning more Haraam wealth by selling silk dresses for men (as silk is forbidden for males) and he needs to find himself a nice Halaal career and start from scratch.
      well I also found out that even for his naat ced he lifted teh tune from some 1980s song, its not confirmed yet and I have asked my source for confirmation. so as of now its just an afwah even though the source is pretty solid.
      The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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      Quote Originally Posted by sweet_taboo View Post
      Fair points.

      If he's serious he should get rid of all his Haraam wealth from his music career by giving it away to charity, he needs to stop earning more Haraam wealth by selling silk dresses for men (as silk is forbidden for males) and he needs to find himself a nice Halaal career and start from scratch.
      your criteria of seriousness is like qualification of "the one who can cast stone is the one who never commits a sin" kind. You dont find a person like that. Learn how to appreciate people for their good deeds instead of crtisizng the fact that they sell this or that or has money from this or that. I personaly respect JJ a lot for the fact that he left for Allah what many of us desire for

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      he did not leave enough did he? no harm in stating facts.
      I mean what would you say if I was goign around preaching while running a strip joint on the side...
      The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

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      While I agree with Tariq bhai and appreciate JJ for turning towards Allah and respect him for that (May Allah reward him and give us all Hidayah), Mr. Frodo does raise a valid point here


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      Fraudia's exmple is little extreme, that reflects hypocrisy. I dont see JJ as hypocrite. I think he is a normal guy, on his way to become better muslim. Nothing happens overnight

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      I don't consider him a hypocrite. I cannot judge his Imaan, he may be closer to Allah than the rest of us. You may be closer to Allah than the rest of us. It is true that nothing happens over night and I don't deny that. Infact there are also ahadith where the Prophet (s.a.w) mention that you should not be fast at such stuff, otherwise you might just end up giving up after awhile. All I was saying is that Mr. Frodo raised a valid point (which in my opinion, was not to bash him or his imaan)


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      I agree that Fraudia was not judging his Imaan, maybe he was making an observation.

      Thanks for sahring that Hadith. Could you post the whole Hadith. That sounds like a beautiful advice

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      Narrated Abu Hurairah (R.A): The Prophet (S.A.W) said, "Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and recieve the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by offering the prayers in the mornings, afternoons and during the last hours of the nights.



      Narrated Aisha (R.A): Once the Prophet (S.A.W) came while a woman was sitting with me. He said "Who is she?" I replied, "She is so-and-so," and told Him about her excessive praying. He said disapproavingly, "Do (good) deeds which are within your capacity (without being overtaxed) as Allah does not get tired (of giving rewards) but (surely) you will get tired Ad-Din (good righteous deed - act of worship loved most by Allah) is that which is done regularly."


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      Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz View Post
      he did not leave enough did he? no harm in stating facts.
      I mean what would you say if I was goign around preaching while running a strip joint on the side...
      Brother we should prioritise deen first for ourselves. There does exist necessity to compare one to another only if ones practices with stronger imaan and attained a taqwa level to the extent where he or she feels very much close to Allah swt.

      I think it would be naοve to simply come on forums and criticize someone’s life style.

      None of us are perfect. Its even more foolish to simply accusing a person of selling Haram. Even if he is …… is that what islam teaches you ? rather seek forgiveness from Allah swt for your actions and make dua for other muslims so their state of imaan improves.

      Make dua brother. Life is not long to sooner or later I and you would be 7 feet down rather make serious efforts to be prepared for the hereafter life.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Crescent_ View Post
      ^ sadly yeah i know of people with similar instances.

      Those are people who are totally extremists and ofcourse islam has no room for those type of people.

      but as for TJ i've been to their "seminars" and stuff, and u have a choice as to what you want to do, they do recruit for the path of allah, but its the individual who makes the choice what he leaves behind. And some people are just plain idiots.
      Sad on you too....

      In every walk of life we have to see what the Holy prophet and their SAHABA did,,,,,,,
      On the eve of Hijrat Holy prophet left all their family members including Aisha(RTA), Fatima (RTA) and Abubakar (SAHABI) left Asma (RTA) and other family members behind,,,,,
      and now our family members are more important than those,,,,,,,
      First study History of Islam then go to talk about Islam


      Don,t mind it plz

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      Quote Originally Posted by MURAD_KHAN View Post
      I found the following article very interesting about Junaid Jamshaid. Copy paste this link in ur browser's (internet explorer etc) address bar, & then zoom in to view it clearly;
      http://users.tkk.fi/~mobien/junaidjamshed.gif

      Those who did not read (or can not read) the interview. It was very nice to read this wise and well ballanced answers. My respect for him grown manifold. The interviewer tried to ask him about the harsh comments of Shoaib Mansoor who publically criticised Junaid Jamshed publically for abandoning music and changing life style.

      In his reply Junaid Jamshed has shown his utmost respect for shoab mansoor and praised him from the core of his heart. He told that Shoaib was his mentor , he taught him (JJ) whatever music he know , he taught him how to behave in public ,in media. He composed most of the music and wrote lyrics and made music videos for vital signs but never charged anything from him, inspite of the fact that VS and JJ made lots of money. He said that thorughout these 16 years of friendship he never saw anything objectionable in Shoaib mansoor's personality.

      I have not seen This kind of honesty from any celebrity. Hats off to Junaid Jamshed
      Bazinggaaaa ....

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