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      After the massacre of Imam Hussein (a.s.) at Karbala, the forces of Yazid took the children and the women as prisoners. They were taken from Karbala to Kufa and from Kufa to Damascus, the capital and stronghold of Umayyid power.
      In Damascus, the women and children were presented into the court of Yazid. Yazid had assembled all the dignitaries and officers of his capital for that occasion. When the prisoners where brought in, they saw that Imam Hussein's head was at the foot of Yazid's throne. Yazid was joyfully reciting some poems in which he openly rejected the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) and called on his ancestors (who were killed by the Muslim army in the battle of Badr) to witness the revenge which he had extracted from the family of the Prophet.
      It was under such emotionally charged circumstances that Sayyida Zainab, the courageous daughter of a courageous father, stood up and gave a very moving speech in response to Yazid's statements.

      HUSSAINIA New Zealand

      She stood and said:

      "God says, and He says the truth, the end of miscreants will be awful, those who belied the signs of God and mocked them. Oh Yazid, do you feel that you have made our life miserable and existence impossible? And you think that God has dishonoured us and that you have been honoured and elevated? This apparent success of yours is the result of grandeur of your might and lofty status for which you are proud…. You feel that you have conquered the whole world and your affairs are organised and that our domain is now under you control…

      Wait! Wait! Let not your ignorance make you so elated for have you not heard God's words - Let not those who disbelieve think that our giving them respite is good for themselves. We only give respite to them so that they may increase in sins and for them is a disgraceful chastisement. (3:177)

      Oh you the son of freed slaves! Is this your justice that the ladies of your house remain veiled and we the Prophet's daughters should be paraded from place to place? You have thus insulted our dignity….

      Oh Yazid! Your misdeed has proved your rebellion against God…. And this action of yours comes as no surprise from a person whose ancestors chewed the liver of such saintly martyrs. The descendants of such enemies of God should naturally be the most deadly!

      Oh Yazid! You are happily disrespecting the teeth of Husain even though it was the place of kissing for the Holy Prophet!

      Oh Yazid! You did what you wished, but remember that you have cut your own skin, In the near future you will be taken in the presence of the Holy Prophet. On that occasion you will be burdened with the sins of the misdeed committed by you shedding the blood of his progeny and dishonouring the sanctity of his family.

      Oh Yazid! It does not befit you to get inflated with joy after slaying the Prophet's progeny and reckon not those slain in the way of God to be dead: nay! Alive they are with their Lord, being sustained, rejoicing in what God has granted them" (2:168)

      Oh Yazid! Feel not elated with our defeat, for you will have to pay the penalty of it on the day when you will be rewarded for your misdeeds. God is not unjust to anyone. We trust in Him. He is our place of refuge. In Him we seek sanctity and with Him rest our hopes!

      You can never reach the level of our lofty position, nor can you destroy our remembrances, nor can you wipe out the ignominy you have earned for yourself by your abominable and vile performance. Your decisions are poor and your days are numbered. Your party will disperse the day when the Announcer will announce - 'GOD'S CURSE BE ON TYRANTS AND TRANSGRESSORS'.
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      A few words about Bibi Zainab.

      The Victory of Truth: The Life of Zaynab bint 'Ali

      The depth and certainty of her knowledge earned her the name given to her by her nephew, Imam Ali Zayn ul-Abidin [a.s.], of 'Alimah Ghayr Mu'allamah, she who has knowledge without being taught.

      Zaynab [a.s.] was also nicknamed Zahidah (abstemious) and 'Abidah (devoted) because of her abstemiousness and piety. She found little of interest in worldly adornments, always preferring the bliss and comfort of the Next World over that of this world. She used to say that for her the life of this world was as a resting place to relieve fatigue along a journey. Humble and of high morals, her main concern was to strive to please Allah and in doing so she avoided anything which was the least bit doubtful.

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      by the way what is the source of this sermon .......

      historians have shown serious doubts about ne such incident.

      by the way what Hazrat ali bin hussain (zainul abidin) was doing that hazrat zainab had to talk.
      If time is not real, then the dividing line between this world and eternity, between suffering and bliss, between good and evil, is also an illusion.

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      ^ Since Imam Zainul Abedin was a member of Prophet's family, what would YOU say about what he was doing if a non-Muslim asks the same question from you?

      I can find references, but what doubts do you have? What do YOU think Sayyida Zainab would have said? Do you think she would have thanked Yazid for this treatment he had given to the Family of the Prophet of Islam?

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      Something more about the eloquence and courage of Zainab, daughter of Imam Ali.
      Here she replies to Ibn Ziyad, who was Yazid's man in Kufah.

      The Demise of Lady Zainab (PBUH) : An Eloquent Lady

      Ibn Ziyad rudely said:

      “Praise be to Allah who disgraced you, and revealed your sayings as false.”

      Perhaps Ibn Ziyad thought that one who is martyred in the way of fighting falsity is in fact disgraced, and his or her sayings are proven as false. Or maybe he knew the truth, but spoke as such in order to deviate the mind of people and invert the realities, knowing that he attributed his sayings to Allah (SWT). In spite of that, Lady Zainab (PBUH) immediately frustrated his conspiracy by replying:

      “Praise be to Allah who has honored us with His Messenger, and purified us from impurity. The one who is disgraced is certainly the libertine, and the one who lies is the lewd; and we are not such people. Praise be to Allah.”

      Ibn Zyad, who never expected to be talking to such a knowledgeable and courageous woman, changed the subject and said:

      “How did you find the way Allah treated your brother and your family?”

      Lady Zainab (PBUH), with a tone full of pride and power, indicating her faith and submission towards Allah (SWT), answered:

      “I saw nothing but beauty. …They rushed towards their graves (with honor). But know that Allah will judge between you and them, and He will call you to account; so be worried about the winner at that day (either it will be you or them). O son of Marjanah! May your mother be mournful for you.”

      These few statements were so powerful that as the historians mention, they made Ibn Ziyad so angry that he decided to kill Lady Zainab (PBUH). He however ceased to do such as one of his army generals, who was present there, calmed him down and prevented him from doing so.



      (Selection taken from “The Life of Lady Zahra and Lady Zainab (PBUT)”, by Sayyid Hashim Rasouli Mahallati)

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      (Selection taken from “The Life of Lady Zahra and Lady Zainab (PBUT)”, by Sayyid Hashim Rasouli Mahallati)
      thats hardly a primary source what he means is that what is the primary source of this khutbah

      I will check Al-Bidayah and Tabari

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      That reference was for the second statements of Sayyida.
      I am still not sure why worry so much of the reference of her khutbah in the first post.

      Full khutbah is here: http://www.al-islam.org/victory/

      References:
      http://smma59.wordpress.com/category/janab-e-zainab/
      Balaghatun Nisa, pg 21; Maqtalul Khwarazmi, vol 2, pg 64; Maqtalul Husain, pg 357; Adabul Husain and Hemasah, pg 179-181
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      Maverick:
      historians have shown serious doubts about ne such incident.
      It is the historians themselves who have recorded this khutbah in various books.
      How many historians have shown "serious doubts", and why are those doubts "serious"? Are they serious only because they show the face of Ibn Muawiya and his stand against Prophet's family?

      Iqbal says:
      Musa o Firaun-o-Shabbir or Yazid
      In do quwwāt az Hayāt āmad padid

      So Iqbal compares Yazid, your hero, to Firoun, enemy of God.
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      Balaghatun Nisa, pg 21; Maqtalul Khwarazmi, vol 2, pg 64; Maqtalul Husain, pg 357; Adabul Husain and Hemasah, pg 179-181
      is that maqtalul hussain by abu mikhanaf yahya b lut radiallahanhu ?

      none of these books sound authentic, nor are they primary sources for that period

      regardless whether this incident is true or not there is no doubt about the corruption and villany of most ummayyads.But the antennas go up as 12ers swim in a sea of exaggeratted stories and beliefs and cause of that cast doubts on even the genuine historical facts.

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      none of these books sound authentic
      Why does it not "sound" authentic?
      And what's the doubt about Sayyida Zainab's khutbah against Yazid?

      But the antennas go up as 12ers swim in a sea of exaggeratted stories and beliefs
      Why don't antennas go up when you take ahadith from Muawiyah, the enemy of Islam?
      It is the height of ignorance and height of hatred that the Truthful Shia followers of ahle bait historians are unreliable and enemies of ahle bait like Muawiyah and Bukhari are the sources of Islam.

      Sharm tum ko magar nahin aati.
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      Prince Ji,

      I appreciate your religious affiliation and thus your desire to put some names in positive light while blackening the names you dislike.

      Although I hope one day, when you are really old and frail, that you are done fighting your worldly fights and your religious debacles.

      That you ask yourself a simple question.

      What we the Pakistani Muslims of 21st century computer age, have to gain from keeping the fires of hate burning, the hate that emanates from a primitive tribal society some 1300 years ago.

      Must we carry the baggage of prejudice, discrimination, and mutual distrust?

      Do you ever ask yourself, that why in the world, Imam Hussain ah could not resolve his differences with the sitting tribal king (OK some people call him Khalifa), but Hasan ah did?


      We all know this was a dark period, a sad period, where one tribe disrespected the other tribe.

      Should we then keep those dark periods in our hearts, thus blackening ourselves with 1300 years old filth?

      Do you take a hidden pleasure reading, re-reading, and then writing and re-writing about horrendous treatment of Imam Hussain's family and especially women?

      How many times one would come on a public forum and proudly write stories about some women in their OWN family getting kidnapped, and mistreated by some 2-bit rapist?

      None!

      then why don't we treat Imam Hussain's family and the ladies like our family and put a cover on the bad history, and put a cover on their shame.

      A typical Pakistani Sunni on this board has nothing to do with what Yazid did 1300 years ago.

      A typical Pakistani Sunni even refuses to name his son as Yazid while Hasan and Hussain are common names for Sunnis too.

      Similarly a typical Shia in Pakistan has nothing to do with Yazid or Imam Hussain's attitude towards each other.

      Then why on earth we must bring 1300 years old dirty laundry and stink up our Pakistani society and our Pakistani culture, and our beautiful country?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Prince Abbas View Post
      Why does it not "sound" authentic?
      And what's the doubt about Sayyida Zainab's khutbah against Yazid?


      Why don't antennas go up when you take ahadith from Muawiyah, the enemy of Islam?
      It is the height of ignorance and height of hatred that the Truthful Shia followers of ahle bait historians are unreliable and enemies of ahle bait like Muawiyah and Bukhari are the sources of Islam.

      Sharm tum ko magar nahin aati.
      show me reliable sources of history like abu mikhanaf , ibn kalbi, ibn sa'd ,waqidi or others like them.

      all the books u quoted u probably havent even SEEN yourself and ur copy and pasting from internet.

      Some other more informed 12ers like bros BOY-NICE and zero1 might be able to help u

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      Then why on earth we must bring 1300 years old dirty laundry and stink up our Pakistani society and our Pakistani culture, and our beautiful country?
      cuz for most 12ers karbala incident has become a "fakhir ka zakham " and they have perverted the real reason behind the struggle of hussain b ali and other revolts like his e.g Harra, jamijam etc

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      Ok to much to read so didn't read much but is there anything mention about what happened to the bibi's and their children after the Karbala incident??? and anything said about Yazid and what happened to him after that? i was told a few things as a story by the elders but i want stuff with reference and depth/details.
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      Quote Originally Posted by teelobhain View Post
      .....Yazid and what happened to him after that?....
      Who cares what happened to a primitive tribal king? May be he died in a ditch, may be he lived to be 1000 years old.

      The whole thing is so filthy, that we should just cover it up.

      The more we probe it, the more stinky our society will get.

      If anyone wants to do some real scholarly work on that dark period in Arab history, then they should go to Oxford, Cambridge, Princeton, or Harvard etc and learn to be a historian first. Then they should do their OWN research.

      Just publicly discussing these perverted stories in a mosque, or an imam bargah are clearly a HUGE recipe for mutual hate, prejudice, and mutual distrust. In short it is Firqa-bazi aka sectarianism at its worst.

      And we should avoid this filth at every cost.


      Please do not treat this as criticism, in fact far from it. This is really an effort to avoid sectarian hate by not discussing hateful curse words against each other.

      Thank you.

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      ^ I just want to know for my own knowledge...where did hate shate come from? i wasn't even thinking of it in such depth as you did
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      Quote Originally Posted by teelobhain View Post
      .....i wasn't even thinking of it in such depth as you did
      Obviously you didn't think it through.

      But it is not your fault TB.

      We the Paks are pretty careless when it comes to the origins of sectarian hate. Generally our parents do not teach us how to "accept" that sectarian hate is "real" and then we never learn how to "reduce" and control this 1300 years old rather infectious and deadly disease.

      And the carelessness exists both on the sides of Sunnis who fume at the disrespect of Sahaba, without ever realizing that Sahabas themselves disrespected each other and fought each others, and murdered each other.

      And the

      Shias, who think it is their religious duty to keep hateful fires burning.

      Whatever happened 1300 years ago may have several reasons, and perhaps REAL scholars should explore the issues.

      But for cryin out loud, we the ordinary Pakistanis must throw that 1300 years old filth out of our hearts, and minds, or at least cover it up.

      It is time that we take religious harmony in a serious way, so that our beautiful country becomes prosperous and tolerant place to live for all sects, religious, and ethnicities.

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      Quote Originally Posted by burqaposhx View Post
      Prince Ji,

      I appreciate your religious affiliation and thus your desire to put some names in positive light while blackening the names you dislike.
      Burqa baji,
      Isn't it what EVERYONE with ANY religious affiliation does?
      How about Muslims showing some names like Muhammad in positive light, while blackening names like Abu Leheb they dislike?
      How about Jews showing some names like Moses in positive light, while blackening names like Rameses they dislike?

      So why criticize shias alone?

      Besides, I copied a sermon from a lady who belonged to the family of Prophet of Islam, and who was brought in the court of the killer of her family, and also incarcerated.

      EVERYONE, regardless of his religious afffiliation, will favor her and condemn the oppressors.
      Why does it make you jealous if someone shows what she said to the enemies of Islam? Are you one of those enemies?

      You seem to be twisting in your pants to hear what Ibn Muawiyah did to the family of the Prophet.

      It is only Ithna Ashari who remember Karbala and attest to Ahle Bait's teachings. Other heretic followers of false imams like Ismailis, Zaidis, and off course, followers of Muawiyah, have done their best to make people forget the tragedy befallen on the Ahle Bait.

      You enemies of Ahle Bait think that it is an OLD story. Little do you realize that this story shows who are the people to be followed if one wants to follow the True Path of Allah.
      Last edited by Prince Abbas; Nov 26th, 2009 at 10:28 AM.

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