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      Quote Originally Posted by TLK View Post
      Spitting 3 times; is not that Amal-e-kaseera and doing that will break your namaaz?
      i think i wud not be amle kaseer as it is allowed. imam bukhari has narrated this hadith.
      If time is not real, then the dividing line between this world and eternity, between suffering and bliss, between good and evil, is also an illusion.

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      Close ur eyes when u start prayers after ALLAH-O-AKBAR and open them once when ur going to say salam.The concentration will not break.

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      ^isnt namaz annuled if u close ur eyes :aq:
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      ^ Prayer is not correct if eyes are closed the whole time.
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      Quote Originally Posted by psyah View Post
      Peace diwana

      It's not the coming of thoughts that is the problem ... it is the allowing of those thoughts to be entertained during a time when the mind should be occupied with Allah (SWT), that is the question here.

      A pious person is described in Arabic as Muttaqi - The God-Conscious ... One cannot be pious and yet at the same time be increasingly useless as disbanding rogue thoughts from his/her consciousness.

      Read Hadith Jibreel ...

      "...'Tell me about ihsan.' He said, 'That you worship Allah as if you see Him, for if you don't see Him then truly He sees you.' ..."

      The Jibril Hadith Explained - Essentials of Islam, Iman & Ihsan

      Let me ask you ... if you saw God .... ALLAH (SWT) can another thought possibly enter your mind? So, the condition of the best most ahsan prayer is that when our minds are not occupying rogue thoughts ... WaAllahu Alam ...

      When it comes to admonishing ... there is nothing as such being done here ... a person asks for an answer and that is what they get ... Look at my first post ... I said that "I" would do this ... I do not care for what others will do ... but I have my reasons for doing what I said I would do ...
      Peace Psyah!


      All points you raised are valid and no big difference but holding someone accountable to the point of not being pious is not fair. You seem to be holding people accountable for shaitan's work of art or at a very high impossible standard.

      Even the prophets were approached by the shaitan to misguide them.

      As long as the person seeks refuge the person is still not a sinner or any less pious.

      Let me find the basis of what I said in earlier post. Been a while I read those.



      OK'

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      http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/25778

      It has the hadith as well: As you can see the prophet SAW did not admonish them, and said it was a sign of faith.

      Some of the Sahaabah complained about the waswaas that was bothering [?] them. Some of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said to him, ‘We find in ourselves thoughts that are too terrible to speak of.’ He said, ‘Are you really having such thoughts?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘That is a clear sign of faith.’” (Narrated by Muslim). (Narrated by Muslim, 132 from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah).
      Last edited by diwana; Jan 20th, 2010 at 08:32 AM.
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      Human mind never stops working. Train of thoughts never leaves the railroads in your mind. It keeps on going at the speed of light in your mind. We are designed this way. The real struggle is to keep your focus in Namaaz , they more you STRUGGLE to stay focused the more reward you will get. This is the will of Allah and this is Allah's mercy and Allah's way of rewarding us , highly.
      It does not matter if your minds wanders around your intimate relationship with your wife or it wanders around the aroma of qorma , nihari or biryani. According to scholars some people will leave their minds wandering around good thoughts and will think that it is OK to do so. According to them this is also a distraction in the namaz , in that case also we should strive to stay connected with Allah.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sweetu View Post
      ^isnt namaz annuled if u close ur eyes :aq:
      I dont care if it makes me feel closer to ALLAH.being the purpose of namaz and i stay 100% concentrated at HIM throughout and its all HIS kindness on me for im a worthless humanbeing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by diwana View Post
      ^ Prayer is not correct if eyes are closed the whole time.
      For u it may not be,for me it is.It makes me feel closer to ALLAH.being the purpose of namaz and i stay 100% concentrated at HIM throughout and its all HIS kindness on me for im a worthless humanbeing.

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      If I prayed namaz thinking I was pak then to me its a namaz done.
      I let clerical farishtas to decide which column to write it in.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mirch View Post
      Human mind never stops working. Train of thoughts never leaves the railroads in your mind. It keeps on going at the speed of light in your mind. We are designed this way. The real struggle is to keep your focus in Namaaz , they more you STRUGGLE to stay focused the more reward you will get. This is the will of Allah and this is Allah's mercy and Allah's way of rewarding us , highly.
      It does not matter if your minds wanders around your intimate relationship with your wife or it wanders around the aroma of qorma , nihari or biryani. According to scholars some people will leave their minds wandering around good thoughts and will think that it is OK to do so. According to them this is also a distraction in the namaz , in that case also we should strive to stay connected with Allah.
      Wallah Alim Bis Sawab.
      agree completely

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      Whenever I prayed before, I would start thinking about my entire day, the future, school, work, what not. What has really worked for me lately is to concentrate on the words I am reciting. For that reason, I went and read the meaning of the surahs I recite during namaz so when I pray, I know what I'm saying and it becomes so much easier for me to concentrate on the words only and feel even more involved in the namaz as the ayahs are truly powerful. I also envision myself being in front of Allah swt as his slave, and bowing down before him. It gives a very satisfied feeling, can't even describe it and leaves no room for second thoughts =)
      Blessed, happy, and content. Alhumdulillah.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Pareezay View Post
      Whenever I prayed before, I would start thinking about my entire day, the future, school, work, what not. What has really worked for me lately is to concentrate on the words I am reciting. For that reason, I went and read the meaning of the surahs I recite during namaz so when I pray, I know what I'm saying and it becomes so much easier for me to concentrate on the words only and feel even more involved in the namaz as the ayahs are truly powerful. I also envision myself being in front of Allah swt as his slave, and bowing down before him. It gives a very satisfied feeling, can't even describe it and leaves no room for second thoughts =)
      Mashallah. Allah grant us all toufeeq to be so involved in namaz. Ameen.
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      Quote Originally Posted by SargeCandy View Post
      For u it may not be,for me it is.It makes me feel closer to ALLAH.being the purpose of namaz and i stay 100% concentrated at HIM throughout and its all HIS kindness on me for im a worthless humanbeing.
      OK. It is your salat. You do whatever you feel like.

      What I understand I will mention.

      It is not recommended. It was never done by the prophet SAW.
      As far as I know, there is not hadith that he did it.

      He SAW asked for plain sheet (without a design) so he could concentrate.

      One is supposed to look at the place of sajdah (Qayam), between feet (rukoo) and between knees when sitting.

      If concentration is lost maybe for short time it is permissible. I am not sure.

      Concentrating on words and its meaning helps.

      Some hadiths forbid it since people in past used to pray with eyes closed.
      One hadith says the person will be given blind Hoor?

      Praying in complete darkness is also not allowed. (Looking upward also is not allowed by hadith)

      At best it is controversial and different people these days give different recommendations.
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      Quote Originally Posted by diwana View Post


      OK'

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      It has the hadith as well: As you can see the prophet SAW did not admonish them, and said it was a sign of faith.

      Some of the Sahaabah complained about the waswaas that was bothering [?] them. Some of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said to him, ‘We find in ourselves thoughts that are too terrible to speak of.’ He said, ‘Are you really having such thoughts?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘That is a clear sign of faith.’” (Narrated by Muslim). (Narrated by Muslim, 132 from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah).
      Peace diwana

      I said this before:

      It's not the coming of thoughts that is the problem ... it is the allowing of those thoughts to be entertained that is the problem ...

      The Sahabah complained and no doubt a resolution was given to them on how to rid themselves of those thoughts ... again I am not questioning the thoughts forming in the mind in the first place rather how we deal with them is important.
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      So.. what is the answer?
      Blessed, happy, and content. Alhumdulillah.
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      molana ashraf ali thaanwi (RH) said

      namaz main dil ka Lagna shert nahi , dil ka Lagaana shert hai

      ulma-e-karam yehe tadbeer bataatay hain k

      app jo kuch namaz main perh rahay hain us ko itne awaz main perhain k us ki awaz app kay apnay kaan sunain

      dosra namaz main mojood herkaat yanee qyaam rukoo qooma sajda main hath or nazar kahan honee chaeye is per zeyhan lagaain
      bullay shah log kehnday nay daal naye galdee
      main tay pather galday waikhay !

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pareezay View Post
      So.. what is the answer?
      After all this.. the simple answer is ..that the Namaz / Prayer is 'Adaa' i.e. the Farz of performing it i.e the compulsion is raised once performed.

      once finished from performing it .. its upto the person ..hw much of muttaqee that person is .. his level of imaan is questioned .. if he wishes ..that he/she was distracted during namaz they may perform it again i.e. its called 'e'aada' with the intention that hes performing it for if there was any doubts in namaz ..this one will inshaAllah cover it.

      If the person does not repeat it ..the compulsion of performing the prayer is raised.. i.e. in his naama e a'amaal .. it will be written as 'performed' .. but the level of sawaab will differ ..

      Simple.

      As for Closing Eyes. It is Simply makrooh i.e. disliked .. meaning if its regularly done from the moment you say Allah hu akbar and keep eyes closed all the way till salam .. its makrooh ..and continuously done thru every namaz .. and made a routine of it .. its Strictly prohibited.

      however, if someone does close eyes to regain concentration for a coupla seconds or so .. its jaiz .. or for example .. you are standing in taraaweeh ..and your neck becomes stiff ..then you may close eyes and you are allowed to move neck side to side or twist ..but keeping in mind that your still in prayer... or another would be which can occur with person like me that when doing imaamat ..you are reciting and you forget then you may close eyes to remember where you were reciting or what you were reciting or what comes next ..

      so basically these are three main reassons when one is Allowed to close eyes otherwise seriously prohibited.

      btw, thank you everyone for their input in this ma'ala, some things .. alot of ppl need to know .. and want to know ..but due to shyness or lack of conection with knoledgeable ppl ..people dont get that opertunity to learn something new about Islam. hopefully from this thread ..people learnt something and they can now practice it with confidence.
      "My dear heart never think you are better than others. Listen to their sorrows with compassion. If you want peace, don't harbour bad thoughts do not gossip and don't teach what you do not know." [Maulana Rumi]

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