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      ASTAGHFIRULLAH HA RABI WATUBUILAY!!!! I recently read sahih bukhari and i think it was weird!!! Well am i supposed ta belive it. don't take me wrong but he shoundn't have gave GOD A FACE in sahih bukhari i mean after all has he met god and had dinner with him???? http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/confused.gif

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      Its simple.

      If you don't like some ahadith in that book, don't believe them.
      If you don't believe the whole book. Don't believe it.

      Its just a collection of ahadith, collected by a scholar after much verification. There can be human error and/or errors by narrators. But more chance is that you need to look into the explanation of that particular hadith. If you feel really confused, write the hadith with full references to a bona-fide islamic scholar on an authentic website. Two of the websites, which usually provide good replies are www.understanding-islam.com and www.islam-qa.com - These site provide responses to your questions sent via email.

      Don't rely on neem-mullah's available free of charge on this forum! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/hehe.gif

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      Assalam-Alaikum Pristine,

      Got a question for you.. this has been playing on my mind for a few days.

      You mention that the Sahih Bukhari was written by a human so it could be full of errors right?

      Does that mean that ANY hadith that have been written, whether they be Sahih Bukhari, Muslim, Nahjul Balagha etc could be wrong?

      After all they are all interpreted by humans so what could make one more factual than the other?

      This is a serious question and is not intended to be turned into a Shia/Sunni debate!!

      Jazakallah Pristine.

      GirlThing: I haven't finished reading Sahih Bukhari yet as there is a lot of content.. how long did it take you to read it all?

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      GIrl thing,
      plz provide the hadith regarding the "face of God" with chapter headings and numbers so we can all verify....thank you..


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      CoolDude:

      Wait a sec.... why do you think I don't accept Sahi Bukhari or I consider it is full of errors. On the contrary, I am of the belief that Sahi Bukhari is probably the most authentic book of Islamic teachings (ahadith) after Quran.

      Having said that, I was responding to the question raised by Girthing. Now, rationally thinking, we all know that Sahih were written 300 years after the Prophet (SAWW) and despite the best intention of the narrators, the possibility of human error, in memory, or in words, can not be totally eliminated. If you read the preface of Sahi Bukhari, it clearly shows the method of verifying ahadith adopted by Imam Bukhari. The last test was that he (Bukhari) used to carry out Istikhara to get Allah's guidance on whether a certain hadith is correct or not. This shows, that despite verifying the chain of narrators, Bukhari himself, would, in the end, ask Allah for guidance on whether a hadith is correct or not.

      Lets assume that all ahadith in Bukhari are correct (as is my and your belief is). In this case, if someone reads a hadith and gets confused by it, bcz it tells something which he couldn't fathom, then the only conclusion is that the hadith is correct, but the person reading it has lack of comprehension because he/she couldn't read the hadith in its correct context nor he/she could gather the meaning of the hadith. For these sort of problems, the best recourse is to consult an aalim or scholar who can explain the context and the meaning of the hadith in simple words.

      I am not qualified to explain the more difficult of ahadith or ayat. Nor do I expect anyone who doesnot have full knowledge of Quran, Sunnah, ahadith and the islamic jurisprudence and rulings developed over 1500 years.

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      [This message has been edited by Sherazz (edited November 13, 2000).]

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      Originally posted by Sherazz:
      here onizah..REFERENCES ABOUT VISIBILITY OF ALLAH

      If you wish to study misleading hadith regarding the incarnation of Allah, which contend that He, as a physical being, can be
      seen in this world, or will be seen in the Hereafter, (as believed by a faction of the Sunnis, i.e., the Hanbalites and Asharites),
      you may refer to your own books,particularly Sahih Bukhari (Vol. I, in the Chapter "Fazla's-Sujud Min Kitabu'l-Adhan," page 100; Vol. IV, p.92 of Sahih Muslim, "Babu's-Sira Min Kitabu'r-Riqaq,"and also Sahih Muslim (Vol. I, in the Chapter
      "Isbatu'l-Ruyatu'l-Mu'minin Rabbahum Fi'l-Akhira," page 86); and Musnad of Imam Hanbal, Volume II, page 275. You will
      find sufficient information of this type in those books. For example, [Abu Huraira says: "The clamor and violent rage of Hell will intensify, it will not calm down until Allah puts His leg in it. Then Hell will say, 'Stop, stop! It is enough for me; it is enough for me.]'" Abu Huraira also narrates that a group of people asked the holy Prophet, "Shall we see our Creator on the Day of Judgement?" He replied, "Of course. At mid-day when the sky is free of clouds, does the Sun hurt you, if you look at it?" They said: "No!" Again he said: "During the nights when you see the full moon when the sky is clear, does it hurt you?" They said:
      "No!" He continued: "So when you see Allah Almighty on the Day of Judgement, you will not be hurt, just as you are not hurt by
      seeing these (the sun and the moon). When the Day of Judgement comes, it will be announced by Allah that every community
      should follow it's god. So everyone who has worshiped idols or anything other than Allah, The One, shall be thrust into Hell fire.
      So shall everyone of the good and bad persons be thrown into it except those who worshipped Allah, the Absolute One. They
      shall lie in Hellfire. At that time Allah will appear in a particular form before the people so that they can see Him. Then Allah will tell them that He is their Allah. The believers will then say, 'We take refuge in Your Godhead. We are not among those who
      have worshiped anything except Allah the Absolute.' Allah will say in reply, 'Have you any sign between you and Allah so that
      you may see Him and identify Him?' They will say, 'Yes.' Then Allah will show them His bare leg. Thereupon the believers will
      raise their heads upwards and will see Him in the same condition as they saw Him for the first time. Then Allah will say that He
      is their Creator. All of them will acknowledge that He is their Allah."

      Now it is for you to judge whether this kind of statement is tantamount to infidelity or not, that Allah would physically appear
      before the people and would uncover His leg! And the strongest point in support of my argument is that Muslim Bin Hajjaj
      begins a Chapter in his Sahih about the proof of the visibility of Almighty Allah, and has quoted the fabricated reports from Abu Huraira, Zaid Bin Aslam, Suwaid Bin Sa'id, and others. And some of the leading ulema of your own sect like Dhahabi in
      Mizanu'l-I'tidal and Suyuti in his Kitabu'l-Lu'ualia'l-Masnu'a fi hadithu'l-Muzu'a, and Sibt Ibn Jauzi in Al-Muzu'a, have proved
      on reasonable grounds that these narrations are fabricated.

      u can check this and more at
      http://www.al-islam.org/peshawar/3.3.html


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      Sheraz, you've just posted somebody's opinions!!!

      I can't find the hadith that are referred to in your post.

      Find them in the link I gave you for Sahih Bukhari and Muslim.

      Jazakallah

      P.s. Can the Naghul Balagha be wrong? Just curious if you will answer this question.

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      cool dude are u saying these things are not in sahi bukhari? i got this from a shia/sunni debate that happend in peshawar
      book is called peshawar nights and u might find it interesting www.al-islam.org/peshawar
      and what do u mean if Nahjul Balagha can be wrong? the book has Sermons given by Imam Ali..so find me a fault in it and then we can talk about it

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      Sherraaz (again, there is a reason for the nick)

      Now, I only believe in SAHIH BUKHARI and the Quran.

      Secondly, I researched all teh topics under KITABUL-ADHAN and cannot find teh event/story you've provided above. Thirdly, your event/story relates to HELL NOT ADHAN!!! IF IT WAS ABOUT ADHAN, it would be under ADHAN.....

      THirdly,they are currently banning unoffical/offical sites off the internet b/c they provide the wrong information, therefore books are better resources.....I have a copy of SAHIH BUKHARI right in front of me, and yet i cannot locate such a 'waqiah'....plus there are different types of Sahih Bukhari in regards to # of volumes/page numbers...you should give the topic # with a heading....
      Hoping to hear from ya soon...

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      Even with my limited knowledge I have to say that I agree with X-Commi there.


      I'd like to know the details that Sherazz has been asked to provide as well.

      It will help to clarify certain things for me.

      There is no such thing as good evil or bad evil. There is only one kind. We know it as Taliban.

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      well it took me about a month to read it. and i don't think that i really want to qoute that THING

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      Girl thing,

      If you don't back up your claim ie. by not quoting from that 'thing' as you call it, how are we to treat your argument as valid?





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      Originally posted by Sherazz:
      ...and what do u mean if Nahjul Balagha can be wrong? the book has Sermons given by Imam Ali..so find me a fault in it and then we can talk about it
      Find the original hadith we asked for please.

      Also, question for you:

      Who wrote the Nahjul Balagha?

      Jazakallah

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      Originally posted by CoolDude:
      Sheraz, you've just posted somebody's opinions!!!

      I can't find the hadith that are referred to in your post.

      Find them in the link I gave you for Sahih Bukhari and Muslim.

      Jazakallah

      P.s. Can the Naghul Balagha be wrong? Just curious if you will answer this question.
      Dhek lo Upni kitab may say hee nahee milree! I think He gave the verses numbers!

      Where is the link so I can find it for you!(i don't have one here at home)

      I remember reading A verse that said
      "On the day of Judgement All the muslims will be gatherd (the rest are in hell)and then Allah will Show his Shin(Yes the body part Shin)and All the muslims will do Sajdah to it"!Shin I belive you can see and Allah says that "Vision comprehends him not"!

      If I can find the books on the net I will surely find the Hadith!

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      Here are the links:

      Sahih Bukhari
      http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...unnah/bukhari/

      Sahih Muslim
      http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...sunnah/muslim/

      Lets see if you have any luck..

      Jazakallah

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      Muzna baji my meaning of saying "THING" was not for sahih bukhari, i was saying that i am tooooooo lazy to quote it

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