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      This is what brailvies really are: They are people who invent new ways of worship into the religion of Islam!!!
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      THE BARELWIS AND THEIR HISTORY

      The leader and founder of this sect was born (*4) in a learned family on 14 June 1865/10 shawwal,1272 A.h. His father Naqi'Ali and grandfather Rida 'Ali were considered the Hanafi scholars(*5) He was named Muhammad. His mother named Amman Miyan, his father Ahmad Miyan and his grandfather Ahmad Rida.(*6)

      (*4)Hayat A'la Hadrat,vol.1,p.1

      (*5)Tadhkira 'Ulama'iHind,p.64.

      He was absent minded, weak in memory and utterly forgetful. One of his disciples reports:
      "It was the habit of the Barelwi that he wore the glasses when he wrote or read something for his eyesight was weak, and he could not read or write without glasses. During his leisure hours he lifted it from his eyes and placed it on his forehead. Once some persons
      came to him when he was writing. He lifted his glasses and as usual placed it on his forehead; then he became busy with talking to them. When he finished, he intended to write and searched for the glasses. He forgot that it was on his forehead. For a while he was perplexed and remained inactive. When he suddenly wiped his face with his hand, the glasses came down to his nose. Thereupon he remembered that he had kept it on his
      forehead" (Anwar Rida,p.360.)

      Al-Bihari al-Ridwi says: "The barelwi had a locked hand bag and opened it at the time of need. Whenever he opened it ,he did not open completely, except to the extent to which he entered his hand. He would bring out wealth, jewellry, and clothes, as he liked. (Al-Bastawi:Al-bareilwi,p.75.)

      This unseen hand which helped him was neither the hand bag nor any any other thing. It was the hand of the British Imperiliasm. They helped him in order to exploit him for their selfish ends, especially for creating schism among the Muslims, and for excommunicating those warriors who were shedding their blood in the way of Allah, and sacrificing their lives to promote the cause of Allah, and to purify their land from the existence of the Imperialists. He (barelwi) said that the devil was his companion when he smoked hookah and that he and the devil smoked it by turns!!!!! (Malfuzat al-Barelwi.)

      One of his habits was that he used to kiss the feet of the people. One of the Barelwis has written that he (Barelwi) used to kiss the feet of Ashrafi Miyan. (Adhkar Habib Rida. Lahore: Majlis Rida,p.24.)


      OPPOSITION OF JIHAD AND MUJAHIDEEN BY HIM, AND HIS SUPPORT TO IMPERIALISM AND THE IMPERIALISTS:

      The period in which the Barelwi lived was one of trial and catastrophe of the Muslims in the subcontinent for the tyrannical British colonialism uprooted the Muslim rule in the subcontinent. The imperialists believed that the Muslims were left completely devoid of resisting power, which could check their interests, usurpation and pillage; there was only a
      sparkle in the ashes. They thought that its source lay in the Muslims in general and in the Wahhabis in particular ( The Imperialists used the word "Wahhabis for the first time in the subcontinent. They applied this word to the monotheists and adherents to the Qur'ân and Sunnah and to those who criticised them. Thus ,they created hatred towards them among the people.)

      The Wahhabis among the Muslims were the most revolting people. It is they who confronted them and battled them in various fields. They fought against them, raised their standard of Jihad (holy war) and straitened their life and affronted them to the last letter.

      A number of localities were demolished in toto, and many populations ,consisting of the young, the old and the women were savagely destroyed on the charge that they were the Wahabis, and that they designed a revolt against the Imperialist, the usurper.(*104) More than one lac of scholars who were the montheists and adherents of the early pious Muslims, were hanged on the charge of Wahabism and rebellion in Bengal alone. (Wahabi Trials) Hunter has written in his work "The Indian Musalmans" That there is no danger to the British in India to their power except from the Wahabis, for they are causing disturbances against them, and agitating the people under the name of Jihad to throw away the yoke of obedience to the British and their authority. (Urdu translation,p.32)

      After the explosion, known as explosion of 1857,and which is named Mutiny by the Imperialists, the Wahabis their Ulema and leaders were hanged on the gallows, to uproot them by the imperialists from 1863 to 1865.Those who were imprisoned during this period were eminent ulema from the monotheists in general and from the Ahl-e-Hadith in particular, as Shaikh Jafar Thanesary, Shaikh'Abd al-Rahim, Shaikh 'Abdal Ghaffar, Shaikh Yayha Ali Sadiqpuri, and Shaikh Ahmad Allah, and many others. And at the end comes the leader of the Ahle-Hadith, the guide of the followers of the early pious Muslims, the eminent scholar, Shaikh Nadhir Hussain al-Muhaddith al-Dihlawi.

      The imperialists were not content to this alone, but issued another edict to confiscate the properties of these MUJAHIDEEN (warriors) (*109)Moreover,their bulidings were demolished and the graves of their families were exhumed.('Abd al-Rahim:Tadhkira 'Ulama-i Sadiqpur.)

      The British were not at rest to infuriate the Muslims in general, and the Wahabis in particular. So they decided to inculate perversion and dissension among the Muslims themselves, so that they might neglect them and remain engaged in fighting against each other among themselves. Therefore, they exploited a number of persons to achieve their ends and to sow the seed of schism among the Muslims. For launching this movement they selected two persons from the Muslims. One of them was Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani (See the work of Allama Ihsan Elahi zaheer "Qadiyaniat"), and the other was the Barelwi (See" Barelwi Fatwa","Takfiri Afsani",Muqaddima al-Shihab al-Thaqib","Muqaddima Rasail Rasai Chandpuri", "Fadil Bareilwi" by Masud Ahmad Bareilwi)

      They assigned the job of dissension and excommunication to Ahmad Rida al-Barelwi.He took this standard and raised it over the whole subcontinent. He abused every person and declared him impious and unbeliever ,especially those who encountered the Imperialists and fought against them. The reader will be surprised to know that there was no movement launched in the subcontinent to defy and overthrow the colonist but the Barelwi opposed it, and he and his followers held its leaders as unbelievers(*114)

      The party of the monotheists, the Mujahidin, called by their opponents the Wahabis or the Wahabi movement, Jamiat Ulama i Hind, Majlis Ahrar Islam. Khialafat party, the Muslim League and Nilli Posh Party. These parties belonged to the Muslims. The Barelwi and his followers were set aside from all these movements and avoided them. He and his followers declared all these parties as unbelievers, particularlly the Muslim League and more particularly the party of the Mujahidin along with their leaders. He prohibited his followers from entering them and participating in fighting for the freedom of the country. In 1920,when the Muslims of India saw that the British had no design to surrender to their
      demands. They announced that the Indians should boycott all sorts of transactions with the British Imperialists and avoid them, and should completely sever all their connections with the British government. The Hindus who sought freedom of India also cooperated with them. The eminent Indian politician Gandhi was at their head. This resulted an unparalleled revolt not witnessed after the revolt of 1857 a.d. All the Muslim parties, their leaders participated in this movement except the Barelwis. As Usual they did not take part in this national movement too. But on the contrary, they hurried in issuing their fatwas against the persons responsible for these movements in order to stand by the
      Imperialism and to help the Imperialists. They cried out that the Non-cooperation Movement against the cruel "British Imperialism, the unbeliever was forbidden (Haram) (Ahmad rida: Al-Mahajjat al- Mtamana,p.155)

      KISSING THE SANDAL

      "Kissing the figure of sandal is like the kissing of the original respected sandal. One is healed by kissing it, and one seeks healing up from its name.So kiss it, and rub the face by placing it thereon, with a sincere intention, you will get what you conceal in your heart"(Ibid,p.56.)

      These people have seen and felt that holding fairs at the tombs, celebrating death anniversaries of the saints, their sports and dance at the beat of drums, and their gatherings for recitation of odes and songs with music and trumpet which they have given a religious colour are gone. They also believe that their shops which they have opened in the name of hospices and providing aid to the oppressed and fate stricken healing and patients, granting children, distributing the amulets have been suspended. They think that the ways to earning have been closed and their position as sages and saints has flagged, and the gifts received by them as soothsayers are gone. Therefore, they excommunicated them, and declared their personages, scholars, preachers, the inviters to the Qur'ân and the Sunnah, and to the truth and guidance. At their head was their leader and warrior, the champion and eminent scholar and the martyr, Shah Ismail, the grandson of Shah Wali Allah al-Dihlawi, who raised the standard of Jihad against the British coloniasm and the Sikhs who captured the Muslim territory, raised the standard of Islam to establish the Islamic state in a part of the Indian soil to implement the Islamic Sharia is toto. He was
      the renovator of the true Islamic call and the reviver of the straight way followed by the early generation of the Muslims. Its voice was suppressed since centuries and was lost under the heaps of innovations and myriads of absurdities and was totally changed by the later evil ways. Consequently ,graves were worshipped, and people prostrated themselves towards them and on them, and the mosques were ruined from the right guidance and the guides, and vacated from the worshippers and the explorers. The hospices were inhabited and flourished, while the people abandoned worshipping Allah alone. The commandments of Allah were suspended and the divine Sharia was thrown back. The Sunnah of the
      Messenger (saw) was dominated by the sayings of the men of religion and acts of the ignorant mystics. The people bought misguidance and straying for guidance to the straight way, and adopted darkness instead of light. There fore he stood up and battled with his pen, tongue, hand and sword. He took out Allahs book and began to teach and explain it. He invited the people to guidance and to adhere to its teachings after it had been hidden in the silky covers and was designed for getting blessing and taking oaths. He produced his famous book "Taqwiyyat al-Iman" in the light of Qur'ân. In this book he has invited the people to worship Allah alone, and to the divine unity, to abstain from polytheism and seeking help from saints and the inmates of the graves, besides Allah.

      The Barelwi says: "The works of Ismail Dihlawi, like"Taqwiyyat al-Iman,"Tanwir al-Ainain Idah al-Haqqaq, and "alsirat al_Mustaqim" are all blasphemous books. They are more impure than urine. If anyone does not believe in that then what? He is an heretic. (Daman Bagh,p.134)

      He was not content to all that, and did not consider sufficient according to his temperament. So he said: "The study of "Taqwiyyat al -Imaan" is more unlawful than adultery and drinking" (Al-Ataya al-Nabawiyya fil-Fatawaa al-Ridwiyya,vol.VI.p.183.)

      It is well known that this fury and rage were on account of the impact of "Taqwiyyat al-Iman" on the souls of the people and exhortation to the belief in the unity of Allah, and unity of the lordship, and prohibition from polytheism is a great wrong, and from receiving blessing from the graves, and seeking the agency of the dead, and asking those who had no power over benefit and harm, indeed no power over anything. The Barelwi knew more than his followers that if any muslim reads this small book, which is full of the verses of Qur'ân and the traditions of the Prophet (saw), he will be impressed necessarily, for the believers are impressed by Qur'ân : "Believers are those who, when Allah is mentioned ,feel a tremor in their hearts, and when they hear His signs rehearsed, find their faith strengthened" (Qur'ân VIII:2)

      The reason is that Ismail Shahid Dihlawi collected in his work "Taqwiyyat al-Iman" a selection from the book of Allah and form the traditions of the Messenger (saw) and translated them in the language of these people for their understanding easily. He thought that if the people understood the Qur'ân and the Sunnah ,there would remain no business and trade---a profitable trade without any capital. Therefore, it was inevitable for him and for his followers to excommunicate that hero and champion who designed to eliminate the darkness of polytheism by the light of monotheism and the unseen things of ignorance by the radiance of the Sunnah, and to revile his work that was full of the word of Allah and the word of His Messenger (saw). They considered its study more unlawful than wine and fornication, for it closed them the doors of fresh earning without making any effort.

      The renovator of the call to SALAF (the early pious Muslim scholars), the Imam of the unity of Allah, the reviver of the Sunnah, and the annihilator of polytheism and the innovation, Shaikh, al-Islaam Muhammad Abdal-Wahhab and his followers were the greatest target of the Barelwi and the Baraelwis, like their brothers, the innovators, and the tomb worshippers in the Arab countries. The reason is that Shaikh Ibn Abd al-Wahhab thinks
      every innovator and tomb worshipper the greatest obstacle in his way. The Barelwi and his henchmen apply all sorts of abuses to this oppressed Imam. They left no fatwa which they did not issue against him. While writing a hadeeth the Barelwi said: "Allah the exalted, will say on the day of resurrection to those bearing the names Ahmad and Muhammad : Enter paradise, for I have made obligatory on me that I will not admit those who bear the names Ahmad and Muhammad to the hellfire". He then remembered that this tradition includes Shaikh Ibn Abd al-Wahhab whose name was Muhammad. Hence he said: This hadith "If a child is born to some person and he names him Muhammad ,he as well a his child will enter paradise" and similar other ahaadeeth apply only to those Ahl-e-Sunna who have sound belief (that is the Barelwi alone), for those who are not corrupt in their thoughts are the dogs of hellfire. No good deed will be accepted from them. If he is killed unjustly between the black stone of the Kaaba and Maqam Ibrahim of the Kaaba and Maqam Ibrahim while he has patience for his murder hoping for forgiveness and seeking reward from Allah,the Exalted, will not look at him and throw him in the hellfire. I have exposed this point in my fatwas. Therefore, these traditions do not contain any good news for Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab Najdi and other straying people like him. (Al-barelwi, Ahkam al-Sharia,vol.I,p.80)

      He said: The most wicked of the apostates are the Wahabis (Ibid,p.123.)

      He further said: "The Wahabis are more wicked, harmful, and impure and impure than the jews and the Christians (Ibid,p.124.)

      One of Barilwi's henchmen has written that the Messenger (saw) predicted about this trial (fitna) of Najdi by saying: "There (in Najd) the earthquakes, commotions will take place, and the horn of Satan will rise there. All the Ahl-sunna and the Hanafis are agreed unanimously that Muhammad b, Abd al-Wahhab was a Khariji and rebel. He who believes in his doctrines, is the enemy of the religion, going astray himself and leading others astray" (Resume of the writings of Ahmad Sais Kazimi in his work al-Haqq al-Mubin, Sahiwal,pp.10-12.)

      This is all, beside the prediction of the Barelwi that the Najdis will never occupy Mecca and Medina, the inviolable and sacred territories, and that Allah will break their glory into pieces and desert them.

      Mazhar, the Baralwi, has used all nonsense and wicked words for them: "The najdis are heretics, atheists, and devils of Najd, they are unbelievers and apostates on account of their surely wicked and assured beliefs". (Tajanub Ahlal Sunna,pp.267-68.)

      This treatment, and abusing and declaring Shaikh al-Islam, his adherents, and Saudi Government, are all trifles in the eyes of the Barelwis, We do not find that anyone infuriated these people more than those who are monotheists, believers in the divine scripture and adherents to the Sunnah of the Messenger (saw), for there remained no grievous word and wicked abuse which they have not used against them.

      A researcher and a reader will notice a curious thing when he investigates the literature of these people that their books are full of slanderous and shameful remarks, and worst of the abuses for the reformers and guides of the Muslim community. He will not find even a single word against the enemies of Allah and His Messenger (saw). This is the habit of these people, and this is their behavior with the Ahl-al-Hadith and the followers of Shaikh al-Islam Muhammad Abd al-Wahab.

      As to the poet of message of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) ,the poet of the Muslims in the Indo Pakistan sub-continent, who inculcated the spirit of Jihad among the Muslims, exhorted them to throw away the unislamic rites and practices, the customs of the unbelievers, and to abandon the monasteries and hospices, and warned them against the stagnant attitude towards the legal schools and allegiance to the individual masters of
      various schools of thought, Dr. Muhammad Iqbal, they said about him: "Iblis (the devil) speaks through the tongue of the heretic philosopher, Dr. Muhammad Iqbal". (Ibid,p.340.)

      They further added: "The religion followed by Iqbal has no relation with the genuine Islamic religion."(Ibid,p.341)

      Quad-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, who liberated Pakistan from the double chains of the Hindus and the British imperialists, and those who founded the Islamic state in the world is also an unbeliever!!!!.His political party, the Muslim league and his members are also unbelievers. The author of "Tajanub Ahl al-Sunna" says: Muhammad Ali Jinnah is an unbeliever and apostate. He has blasphemous beliefs. Therefore,a ccording to the Sharia, he is certainly an apostate, and excluded from the fold of Islam. If anyone is doubtful about his unbelief, or hesitates in declaring him to be an unbeliever he is also an unbeliever.(Ibid,pp.119-122) He further adds: "The Muslim League is not league of Muslims, but a league of the dark people".(Ibid,p.112.).

      They also declared Muhammad Ziaul Haq, the former President of Pakistan, Sawar Khan, the ex-governor of the Punjab and the ministers of the Government of Pakistan to be unbelievers. They reason is that they had offered prayer behind the Imaam of Masjid Nabawi and the Imam of Masjid Haram of Mecca when they visited Pakistan. This fatwa was issued in reply to a query of a person who asked: What is the fatwa (verdict) about those persons who prayed behind the Imaams of Haramain the two sacred territories)? They said: The learned Barelwi scholar Nurani has pronounced the fatwa: Whosoever believes that the Wahabis of Najd are Muslims, or prays behind them, is an unbeliever and apostate(*179)...This can be quoted endlessly.

      This is their TRUE picture....Allah (swt) says: "That is as far as their knowledge will reach them. Verily the Lord knowest best those who stray from His Path, and He knoweth best those who receive guidance" (Qur'ân LIII:30)

      Allah the exalted says: "Seest thou such a one as taken for his god his own passion (or impulse)? Couldest thou be a disposer of affairs for him? or thinkest thou that most of them listen or understand? They are only like cattle------nay they are worse astray in path"
      http://www.salaf.indiaaccess.com/barelwiyat/index.htm

      Good Luck...take it easy. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif




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      Yaar watcher yeh konsi site say latay ho tum?? care to share my dear http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

      "And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them." [26:227] Al-Quran

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      paglu told you, that you CAN't READ. Look at the post again and I gave the site in 2 place in my post. LOOK with your eyes again sir. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

      The reference you need are there. Deal with the truth you lie-lovers. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif

      Take it easy. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

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      Public kay pass time nahee", faltoo aaur lumbee posts purhnay ka.

      [This message has been edited by Pagluu (edited January 09, 2001).]
      "And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them." [26:227] Al-Quran

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      Originally posted by Asif:
      assalaamu alaa manitaba al Huda

      Excellent information about Ala Hazrat can be read on: http://www.raza.co.za/i.htm

      Masha-Allah good site. Very good indeed.

      Ya rasool-Allah (s.w)!


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      Watcher the Wahaabi

      well, that stuff you've copied from a well known Talafi site [note not Salafi--talafi--cut off] is a load of rubbish taken from a book by a wahaabi called Ehsan Elahi Zaheer. His book has been answered by ulama of Ahle Sunnat.

      the truth is that the hadith of Najd does refer to Wahaabis and it is significant that even the brother of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahaab denounced him and that heretic Ibn Abd al Wahaab was killed as an apostate by the Turkish Sultan on the orders of the Shaykh al Islam when he was captured. Accroding to wahaabis beliefs all muslims apart from them are mushriks and blasphemers and should be killed. that is why wahaabis killed thousands of innocent muslims in makkah and madina before the sultan sent in the army to quash them.

      The truth is that wobbs are less than 2% of the muslims and they hate ala hazrat coz he has exposed them and more importantly refuted them scholarly and they cant reply.so they resort to lies and distortions.

      that is why even wahaabis dont call themselves wahaabis anymore as throughout the world the word wahaabi has become a swear word almost!! they now use new words like "salafis" when even that is a fabrication as the term salafi is NOT a school of thought but a period in islamic history.

      thousands of sunni scholars throughout the world and in the subcontinent have refuted the heretical wahaabi beliefs and continue to do so. Alhamdulillah.

      some wahaabi beliefs.

      1. All Muslims for the past 1000 years are mushriks till mohd bin abd al wahaab came.
      2. all sufis are mushriks.
      3. all sufis are graveworshippers.
      4. they dont follow a madhhab.
      5. they anthropomorphise Allah [naudhubillah].
      6. they commonly call most muslims "mushriks"
      7. they DENIGRATE the BELOVED MESSENGER of ALLAH sal allahu alayhi wa sallam.
      8. they say the Prophets are finished and dead and buried and cannot help you! Astaghfirullah.
      9. they say nabi hum jaisay hain humaare bhi do haath nabi kay bhi do haath etc. astaghfirullah.
      10. they deny tawassul and shifaat.
      11. they are against taqleed in theory but in practise do taqleed of ibn taymiyyah.
      12. they habitually call many of the great awliya of the past as kaafirs.
      13. they have turned islam into nothing but a set of dry rituals.they have no imaan.
      14. they oppose milaad and other such practises on which the ummat has agreed for over 1000 years and all those who disagree with them are termed as kaafirs!!
      15. they hate the Ahle Bayt [may Allah bless those pure ones.]
      Allah's Habib sal allahu alayhi wa sallam said that a people will come from the arabs who will always have qur'an on their tongues but it wont go past their throats [i.e. bay-imaan hongay].

      These people are wahaabis. All scholars say this hadith and the hadith about najd refers to wahaabis since3 their leader came from najd. nowadays since they are trapped by this sahih hadith the wahaabi liars claim that najd actually means iraq!!!!

      Allah protect us from these thugs of iman.

      A few verses of Ala Hazrat to help us deal with them:

      Dushman e Ahmad pe shiddat kejiye
      Aisay mulhidon ki kya murawwat kejiye.

      How to tell a Wahaabi?
      If he is from Indian subcontinent ask him about ala hazrat imam ahmad raza khan sahib? If he gets angry he is a wahaabi!!

      for others [non indo paks]:
      just say "Ya Rasool Allah!" in front of them. A wahaabi will never say that and when he hears that like a rabid dog his mouth will froth.

      basically they dont love our beloved Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam and they make takfeer on most of the great sufiyaa e karaam and muslims of the past and present who dont agree with them. [which is most muslims.]

      they are the NUMBER ONE threat to the world's Muslims.



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      Yeah yeah...get a life you innovator and corruptor of Islam. Allah does not like people like you and your brailvi imams who innovate new things into Islam. Get a LIFE loser!

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      Wahabi again??? You sad sad people, stop bringing this into every single post.

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      mr. wobb,
      not devil's advocate but you should write devil's bhai...that's what wahaabis are: shaytaan ke chailay!
      who says this? Not me but Our Beloved Lord and Master Sayyidina Habib Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.

      Once the Prophet was praying and he said O Allah bless us in our Yemen and a man said "and in Najd" but Allah's Habib ignored him. He alayhisalatosalaam continued like this praying for 2 other places too [i cant recall] and the man interrupted twice and twice Allah's Habib did not pray for Najd. When he had finished alayhisalatosalam and the man asked Ya Rasool Allah why didn't you pray for Najd Our Beloved Master replied because from Najd will come a great fitna and "al-Qarn as-Shaytaan" The horn [or the group] of the Devil.

      All the ulama are unanimous that this hadith sharif applies to the wahaabis.

      btw, do you actually know what the definition of bid'at is in shar'iat or do you just like to mouth "bida bida" like a parrot as you are taught by the wahaabi teachers?


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      Originally posted by Asif:
      Watcher the Wahaabi

      well, that stuff you've copied from a well known Talafi site [note not Salafi--talafi--cut off] is a load of rubbish taken from a book by a wahaabi called Ehsan Elahi Zaheer. His book has been answered by ulama of Ahle Sunnat.

      the truth is that the hadith of Najd does refer to Wahaabis and it is significant that even the brother of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahaab denounced him and that heretic Ibn Abd al Wahaab was killed as an apostate by the Turkish Sultan on the orders of the Shaykh al Islam when he was captured. Accroding to wahaabis beliefs all muslims apart from them are mushriks and blasphemers and should be killed. that is why wahaabis killed thousands of innocent muslims in makkah and madina before the sultan sent in the army to quash them.

      The truth is that wobbs are less than 2% of the muslims and they hate ala hazrat coz he has exposed them and more importantly refuted them scholarly and they cant reply.so they resort to lies and distortions.

      that is why even wahaabis dont call themselves wahaabis anymore as throughout the world the word wahaabi has become a swear word almost!! they now use new words like "salafis" when even that is a fabrication as the term salafi is NOT a school of thought but a period in islamic history.

      thousands of sunni scholars throughout the world and in the subcontinent have refuted the heretical wahaabi beliefs and continue to do so. Alhamdulillah.

      Masha-Allah very good response brother asif. Endorsing each and every word of your post. One more thing would like to addis about the situation in Pakistan/ India. These wahabis re getting petroleum dollars from Saudi Arabian sheikhs (from najad) to take control of our (sunni) mosques and turn the ahle sunnah mosques into wahabi mosques. There are some other names in addition to Ehsan Ilahi Zaheer, other wahabi mullahs who have built 18000 wahabi madrasas and taken control of our mosques include Mualana Fazrur rehman, maulana sami ul haq, etc.. They are both graduates of Deoband (wahabi) university. Though these wahabis are only 2% of total population, they are throwing saudi, najadi petroleum dollars to buy our ahle sunnah generation but the true lovers of Prophet, his family aND righteous sahaba will never get into their trap and keep defending the personality of our beloved Prophet (s.w).

      May Allah give all of us taufeeq to increase His love and love of his great Habib (s.w).

      Ya rasool Allah (s.w)!


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      Originally posted by Asif:
      [b]mr. wobb,
      not devil's advocate but you should write devil's bhai...that's what wahaabis are: shaytaan ke chailay!
      who says this? Not me but Our Beloved Lord and Master Sayyidina Habib Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam.

      Once the Prophet was praying and he said O Allah bless us in our Yemen and a man said "and in Najd" but Allah's Habib ignored him. He alayhisalatosalaam continued like this praying for 2 other places too [i cant recall] and the man interrupted twice and twice Allah's Habib did not pray for Najd. When he had finished alayhisalatosalam and the man asked Ya Rasool Allah why didn't you pray for Najd Our Beloved Master replied because from Najd will come a great fitna and "al-Qarn as-Shaytaan" The horn [or the group] of the Devil.

      All the ulama are unanimous that this hadith sharif applies to the wahaabis.

      btw, do you actually know what the definition of bid'at is in shar'iat or do you just like to mouth "bida bida" like a parrot as you are taught by the wahaabi teachers?


      masha-Allah brother Asif. What a devastating slap on Devil's (wahabi) face

      aauzobillah himina shaytan nir rajim


      May Allah keep all muslims and specially ahle sunnah generation from Wahabi/deobandee/saudi/talibani fitna. Ammen!

      You guys are definitely the protector of aqaid-e-ahle sunnah that consider love of Prophet and his family a fundamental part of faith.

      [This message has been edited by Azam (edited January 11, 2001).]

      [This message has been edited by Azam (edited January 11, 2001).]

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      Our million salams to our dear Prophet (s.w) who forsaw the uprising of wahabi fitna from najad. SubhanAllah!

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      Azam, The Barelvi's founders belief is that Shias are Kafir, yet you still choose to agree with their beliefs???

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      We (ahle sunnah wal jamaat) have difference of opinion with shias but that does not mean we start cursing or killing them

      I know where you are coming from Cool dude and what u want. you want to divert the main topic of this thread and u are trying to create a shia v sunni war here, but let me tell u kiddo, u wont succeed because we know about your filthy intentions. http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

      The topics raised by brother Asif are related to shifaat of Rasool Allah and if u have any comment about it, then type, otherwise:

      keep staring at the monitor and let adults talk.

      Already then.

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      You are absolutely correct, we should not curse Shias because we have no right to do that.

      I would like you to find one time where I have done that?? Don't run before you can walk Azam as you'll get nowhere fast.

      And what filthy intentions are YOU talking about? You're the one that labels everybody a Wahabi but you accuse me of causing hatred? Isn't that like the Pot calling the kettle black?

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      Cooldude,

      what ala hazrat's fatwa about shias says is that THOSE shias who curse the shaykhayn [i.e. hazrat abu bakr and hazrat umar [and hazrat uthman] OR those who say sayyida ayesha commited adultery [allah ki panaaH] OR those who say the qur'an is not complete OR those who say Jibraeel made a mistake etc. THOSE are kaafirs BUT if a person just believes that Hazrat Mawla Ali is greater than the other khalifahs he is NOT a kaafir but only a bida'ati. And Allah knows best.

      But this thread is about shifaat...

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      Asif: Jazakallah for clearing that up. I don't like it when people accuse others without knowing jack about them.

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