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      Someone told me, well actually my mom, that it's a sin to place your legs/feets towards Kaba, while lieing on a couch/bed ect.. this shows disrespect.

      What does it say in Islam about this.

      Is it true? and WHY?


      I would appreciate answers thanks!

      Jazak'Allah.


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      I say this from personal experience and knowledge, so if someone has some authentic information, please correct me.

      There is one hadith that I vaguely remember, that forbids one from stretching themselves out too much while sitting, since its a sign of pride, or more appropriately, 'takabbur'.

      In the subcontinent, we have incorporated a lot of social symbols of common courtesy into Islam, like sitting with your legs crossed, rather than stretched.....not stretching them towards Qibla.....not pointing your feet towards where copies of the Holy Quran are placed........not placing shoes sole down in the compound of a masjid........not placing a copy of the Holy Quran on the floor.

      Most of these are precautions meant to show respect. Non-compliance does not automatically mean disrespect, since Allah SWT knows best whats in our hearts, and thats all that matters. But just as we would not sit in front of our parents with our legs stretched out as a symbol of respect, we should also be careful with our posture while sitting in a masjid. After all, the respect we have for Allah SWT must supercede all.

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      Thanks Akif, you mean, its out of courtesy to Islam that we should not position our legs towards Kaba rather than a command given to us by Allah.

      I have another question. It's said that not to speak while you are in a nacked position, e.g. changing cloths, taking a shower ect.. The reason behind I have heard it because the two angels on our shoulders write everything down we communicate for the judgement day, now if we are nacked they would feel ashamed!

      How true is THIS theory?

      Do the angels come only if we speak or are they there all the time?




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      Originally posted by SaadiaB:
      I have another question. It's said that not to speak while you are in a nacked position, e.g. changing cloths, taking a shower ect.. The reason behind I have heard it because the two angels on our shoulders write everything down we communicate for the judgement day, now if we are nacked they would feel ashamed!How true is THIS theory?

      Do the angels come only if we speak or are they there all the time?
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      Angel doesn’t have feeling or nafs

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      google, if they don't have feelings then they can't really exist or can they ...ahh don't ask me.

      My reason to post the second query was to fine out if anyone else heard of such a thing. Well I guess not or no one has the answer, maybe its all a man made saying. Some people are full of them I wonder where my mom came up with this http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/hoonh.gif why do people believe in such superstitous things/version of Islam.




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      NYAhmadi,

      you may say anything you wish to me, I won't mind but don't say anything against my mom, that is if you meant her. She means it all good. She was raised in a respected manner and has a lot more morals than me. It's has not been easy for her to adopt herself in the west but she managed it all good, this may sound like she believes in superstitious things but in fact she does not, could be that these are sayings she heard around her as she was young and in Pakistan. Anyway why am I justifying myself to you, heck think whatever you wish. bye

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      Why is it that we have to turn to ridiculing others when a serious question is raised. A genuine inquiry was made, yet there was only one sincere effort to address the issue.

      I would like to remind the participants to keep the conversation respectable. Any sort of impertinent behaviour shall not be tolerated (Insha'Allaah).

      If you do not feel obliged to respect others from a religious point of view, then at the very least, show your respect from the human angle.

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      I am a believer of Hazrat Baba Guru Nanak; and there is a beautiful naration about the very subject among his followers:

      On his fourth great journey in life Guru Nanak dressed in the blue garb of a Muslim pilgrim traveled to the west and visited Mecca, Medina and Baghdad.

      Arriving at Mecca, Guru Nanak fell asleep with his feet pointing towards the holy Kabba. When the watchman on his night rounds noticed this he kicked the Guru, saying, "How dare you turn your feet towards the house of God". At this Guru Nanak woke up and said, "Good man, I am weary after a long journey. Kindly turn my feet in the direction where God is not."
      What a beautiful responce!

      Doesn't even give me the room to elaborate.
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      Please elaborate.

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      No Saadia, I didn’t mean your mom. I questioned whoever came up with these ideas. As in my opinion, Islam is not so fragile that the direction of legs and feet can tarnish it. Sorry, if you misunderstood what I meant to say.

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      Originally posted by Hasnain:
      Please elaborate.

      Kabba, Mecca, Quran are not Allah, the respect that is associated with them is due to the love of Allah and HIS respect.

      If pointing one's feet towards these 'objects' is taken as disrespectful then by all means pointing your feet towards Allah is more disrespectful! But how can you not point your feet towards Allah? He is everywhere!

      These derogatory customs came into Islam by taking the commandments literally. The respect is in the heart! Those who don’t respect from their heart, does it really matter if they point their feet to it or not?

      Lastly, if you are still very strict upon ‘direction' let me give you the argument what PakistaniAbroad gave (that sadly got deleted). The earth is ROUND!


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      Excuse me....but I know I am stupid.....but I thought this Guru Nanak was sort of the God or something of the Sikh people...and I heard the same story from my Sikh friend. Please can you tell me more about Guru Nanak.
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      interesting post sadi, I've oftened wondered this myself. I remember that a few years ago my parents had extensive plumbing work done in their bathroom as the toilet seat was facing Makkah and had to be moved.

      While we're on the subject I remember how some people say that you should take off any jewellery ingraved with Allah's name (or any kalimas) before entering a bathroom. I'm not sure what the religious significance of this is though.

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      Originally posted by little human:
      Excuse me....but I know I am stupid.....but I thought this Guru Nanak was sort of the God or something of the Sikh people...and I heard the same story from my Sikh friend. Please can you tell me more about Guru Nanak.
      Here are three posts where Sikhism has been discussed. I thought you might find that interesting.

      the CHOLA of Baba Nanak and the Quranic Verses

      In reply to dhir's query

      Sikhism Derived from Islam?
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      In the absence of a relevant argument, its best that you dont make one at all.

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