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      Define each one please and what is the difference in each


      i love these words, but do they hold any real meaning or value? We assume them to be true? Do they exist? or is it just to give ourselves hope or justify things?

      Do you believe in any of this? Are they subjective or objective.

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      They are all objectively Bollywood films ...

      Or they are in order ...

      > Fate
      > The one who determines
      > Path to the destined
      > That what is determined
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      Kismat: something which will happen ,good luck,fortune...

      Muqadar:something which will happen regardless,no matter what we plan

      Naseeb:something we will receive or use if it is in our naseeb

      Taqdeer:something which can be changed by dua


      but basically these four are all the same,just different ways to the same end...
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      Quote Originally Posted by girl on ice View Post
      Kismat: something which will happen ,good luck,fortune...

      Muqadar:something which will happen regardless,no matter what we plan

      Naseeb:something we will receive or use if it is in our naseeb

      Taqdeer:something which can be changed by dua


      but basically these four are all the same,just different ways to the same end...
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      this topic keeps going back to bollywood ...!!!!
      live life,that's what we're here for....

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      All four are Arabic words their roots are:

      QSM - He allotted (gave due portion)
      QDR - He determined
      NSB - He nominated


      Both Muqaddar and Taqdeer share their root as QDR

      the muQD2r means the one who does it and the taQDeeR is the noun resulting from the verb. So if someone determines then taqdeer is the "determination event".

      I don't know yet but I have a hunch that promise qasam may have some basis shared with Qismat.

      And NSeeB is again the apportioned amount due or what is destined - the nominated amount or something showing the way are all related with this root.
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      whatabout muqaddar ka sikandar? is he gonna be called jaaneman? or no?
      Simple ain't easy.

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      It’s often just semantics... but here’s my interpretation:

      Muqaddar / Taqdeer (Destiny): a course of events that will inevitably happen in the future... I associate this with something that can’t be changed.

      Qismat (Luck): Unpredictable phenomena that cause an event to result one way rather than another... I associate this with the occasional good and bad happenstances in everyone’s life

      Naseeb (Fortune): to me is almost synonymous with destiny although I don’t think of this word as semantically strict as destiny... in that, not all outcomes are necessarily unavoidable.
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      Quote Originally Posted by philosophy View Post
      Define each one please and what is the difference in each


      i love these words, but do they hold any real meaning or value? We assume them to be true? Do they exist? or is it just to give ourselves hope or justify things?

      Do you believe in any of this? Are they subjective or objective.
      So finally you are trying on some philosophical discussion.

      Ya Allah Reham Kar.

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      A- No. Same meanings essentially. No big difference to discuss. People use these words interchangeably.

      Its like asking what s the difference between Kaala and Siaah.

      B- Well they exist since there is no other way to explain. And even more importantly we create them since we want to provide some explanation of or find excuse for something happening as unusual or bizarre event. We probably can find the reason for some of these events but are lazy.

      C- Yes. We try to justify things in that context. Makes us feel better.


      Not sure its true but someone said to Saladin (Salahuddin Ayubi)? how come he was so good of fighter and won so many battles and he did not even have fate line on his palm.

      He took his sword and made a line on his hand and said. "Do you see it now?"

      (Check the authenticity story on your own-I am being lazy- but the point remains even if not true)
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      To me they do exist and all mean the same thing.

      For the most part I have a very positive approach to life, but there come times when no matter how hard you plan or try, things don't turn out the way you want and that's just your FATE.

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      i thought they were all synonyms.
      Vekh hun.

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      Quote Originally Posted by diwana View Post
      So finally you are trying on some philosophical discussion.


      sorry, but you're the (di)wannabe here

      as usual you have nothing significant to contribute.

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      Quote Originally Posted by diwana View Post
      So finally you are trying on some philosophical discussion.

      Ya Allah Reham Kar.

      Jk


      A- No. Same meanings essentially. No big difference to discuss. People use these words interchangeably.

      Its like asking what s the difference between Kaala and Siaah.

      B- Well they exist since there is no other way to explain. And even more importantly we create them since we want to provide some explanation of or find excuse for something happening as unusual or bizarre event. We probably can find the reason for some of these events but are lazy.

      C- Yes. We try to justify things in that context. Makes us feel better.


      Not sure its true but someone said to Saladin (Salahuddin Ayubi)? how come he was so good of fighter and won so many battles and he did not even have fate line on his palm.

      He took his sword and made a line on his hand and said. "Do you see it now?"

      (Check the authenticity story on your own-I am being lazy- but the point remains even if not true)
      so, insaan apney taqdeer khud likhta hai. aur kismat khud banata hai




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      Quote Originally Posted by Sajalina View Post
      To me they do exist and all mean the same thing.

      For the most part I have a very positive approach to life, but there come times when no matter how hard you plan or try, things don't turn out the way you want and that's just your FATE.
      yea, your naseeb and muqadar perhaps

      i agree with you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lucid Chaotic View Post
      It’s often just semantics... but here’s my interpretation:

      Muqaddar / Taqdeer (Destiny): a course of events that will inevitably happen in the future... I associate this with something that can’t be changed.

      Qismat (Luck): Unpredictable phenomena that cause an event to result one way rather than another... I associate this with the occasional good and bad happenstances in everyone’s life

      Naseeb (Fortune): to me is almost synonymous with destiny although I don’t think of this word as semantically strict as destiny... in that, not all outcomes are necessarily unavoidable.
      i agree, so are any of these in our control?

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      Quote Originally Posted by philosophy View Post
      so, insaan apney taqdeer khud likhta hai. aur kismat khud banata hai



      Yes. You are not so bad after-all in understanding what I wrote.


      JK


      Seriously, there are things in this world we do for one or other reasons that we end up regretting or cherishing.

      We say we had bad luck or good luck either to blame luck for our bad choice,.. or being humble and not taking the credit of good result.
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      well, muqaddar, nassed, taqdeer, are the same thing,, but people have made a bit different meanings,, all of the do have the thems, which gonna happend in your future life,,, this is all..