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      Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Sadique View Post
      Nussairee glad you got sense of humour - Salman Khan in "sarman rai" cave too! - Let's keep Bollywood out of this
      I am please to see you pleased...........I actually haven't watched any of salman khan's movie after one of his early day movie Mainay Pyaar kiya.......dunno abt his connection to "sarman rai" but hey who knows!...........
      Last edited by Nussairee; Sep 7th, 2011 at 04:03 PM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Fbi786 View Post
      He is asking such questions to cause fitna, the motive is there when he asks, did Umar RA run away. The dude needs to get banned again.
      I don't have much info on the topic so I'm just sitting in the back listening here.

      This post REALLY caught my eye. I wouldn't be talking if I were you. If I wanted to, I could post well over 15 examples of you jarh-ing fasaad on all subforums in this place.

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      Quote Originally Posted by aqeel123 View Post
      next time i will post questions on ur wall Nussairee bahi. Thanks
      don't do urself a disservice.........ask somebody who actually knows and is in the position to enlighten others.........
      If your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourself.

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      Peace,

      I don't understand, the questions asked by OP is quite straight-forward and it may be answered with 'Yes', 'No' and/or with details (with references if any) rather than stating each others as Sunni, Shia this that etc.

      As those who feel uncomfortable why a shia member raised this question. Let say a sunni member would like to know the answer of these questions. Now what? is that sunni member is spreading fitna???

      And those who face lil bit difficulties answering these question are free on their own wills either to post/reply or NOT. Nobody forced them to reply.

      Lastly, pardon me writing this off-topic comments. No need to reply my post but if you wish to do, you are welcome to pm me.

      Again, I request you all let stay on OP's POV, answer in general, leave sunni shia a side (as OP didn't posted it as related to any sunni or shia). We seek knowledge lets have it. What is good take it what is not leave it.
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      ^finally....words of wisdom........
      If your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourself.

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      Quote Originally Posted by lethal kamikaze View Post
      Peace,

      I don't understand, the questions asked by OP is quite straight-forward and it may be answered with 'Yes', 'No' and/or with details (with references if any) rather than stating each others as Sunni, Shia this that etc.

      As those who feel uncomfortable why a shia member raised this question. Let say a sunni member would like to know the answer of these questions. Now what? is that sunni member is spreading fitna???

      And those who face lil bit difficulties answering these question are free on their own wills either to post/reply or NOT. Nobody forced them to reply.

      Lastly, pardon me writing this off-topic comments. No need to reply my post but if you wish to do, you are welcome to pm me.

      Again, I request you all let stay on OP's POV, answer in general, leave sunni shia a side (as OP didn't posted it as related to any sunni or shia). We seek knowledge lets have it. What is good take it what is not leave it.
      Well, all you are asking for is a little bit of objectivity but sometimes it is too much to ask particularly from the 'religious' folks. Towards simple facts, they will resort to distortions, confusion, twist and everything else under the cloud to stretch and make it in compliance with their own set point of view or the world-view propagated by the mullahs who are already on someone's payroll. Controlling history has been key to controlling the present and the future. Unfortunately history for us has more been like 'shush-tory'.
      Last edited by Surdar Asif; Sep 7th, 2011 at 08:42 PM.
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      Peace Surdar Asif,

      That is why said "Or Deen ki samjh rakho".
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Sadique View Post
      One of the prominent Companion who fled from the battle was Hz. Uthman bin Affan (ra)

      Narrated Uthman: (the son of Muhib) An Egyptian who came and performed the Hajj to the Kaba saw some people sitting. He enquire, "Who are these people?" Somebody said, "They are the tribe of Quraish." He said, "Who is the old man sitting amongst them?" The people replied, "He is Abdullah bin 'Umar." He said, "O Ibn 'Umar! I want to ask you about something; please tell me about it. Do you know that 'Uthman fled away on the day (of the battle) of Uhud?" ..

      Ibn 'Umar said, "Yes." The (Egyptian) man said, "Do you know that Uthman was absent on the day (of the battle) of Badr and did not join it?" Ibn 'Umar said, "Yes." The man said, "Do you know that he failed to attend the Ar Ridwan pledge and did not witness it (i.e. Hudaibiya pledge of allegiance)?" Ibn 'Umar said, "Yes." The man said, "Allahu Akbar!"

      Ibn 'Umar said, "Let me explain to you (all these three things). As for his flight on the day of Uhud, I testify that Allah has excused him and forgiven him; and as for his absence from the battle of Badr, it was due to the fact that the daughter of Allah's Apostle was his wife and she was sick then.

      Allah's Apostle said to him, "You will receive the same reward and share (of the booty) as anyone of those who participated in the battle of Badr (if you stay with her).' As for his absence from the Ar-Ridwan pledge of allegiance, had there been any person in Mecca more respectable than Uthman (to be sent as a representative).

      Allah's Apostle would have sent him instead of him. No doubt, Allah's Apostle had sent him, and the incident of the Ar-Ridwan pledge of Allegiance happened after Uthman had gone to Mecca. Allah's Apostle held out his right hand saying, 'This is Uthman's hand.' He stroke his (other) hand with it saying, 'This (pledge of allegiance) is on the behalf of Uthman.' Then Ibn 'Umar said to the man, 'Bear (these) excuses in mind with you.'


      From Sahih Bukhari
      Volume 5, Book 57, Number 48

      إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَلَّوْا مِنْكُمْ يَوْمَ الْتَقَى الْجَمْعَانِ إِنَّمَا اسْتَزَلَّهُمُ الشَّيْطَانُ بِبَعْضِ مَا كَسَبُوا ۖ وَلَقَدْ عَفَا اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ {155}

      (As for) those of you who turned back on the day when the two armies met, only the Shaitan sought to cause them to make a slip on account of some deeds they had done, and certainly Allah has pardoned them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing. [3:155]

      What is the purpose and gain for you to question the deeds of those who Allah (swt) has forgiven out of His Mercy?

      Are you disappointed with Allah's (swt) decision? Or are you accepting it grudgingly with some reservations deep in your heart.
      Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Sadique View Post
      Salaam aqeel

      I got the following from the Net:


      Following extracts clearly show that Hz. Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) was with the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the heat of the battle at the most critical time.

      At those awkward moments of that day, a group of Muslim heroes gathered around the Prophet [pbuh] forming a shield to protect him from the idolaters. Some of them were Abu Dujana, Mus‘ab bin ‘Umair, ‘Ali bin Abi Talib, Sahl bin Haneef, Malik bin — Sinan the father of Abu Sa‘îd Al-Khudri, Umm‘Amara, Nusaiba bint Ka‘b Al-Mâziniya, Qatada bin An-Nu‘man, ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab, Hatib bin Abi Balta‘a and Abu Talha.

      Muhammad bin Maslamah brought him fresh water to drink. The Prophet [pbuh] drank and supplicated Allâh to provide him with good things. [As-Seerat Al-Halabiyah 2/30] Owing to the wounds and their bad effects on his body, the Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] led his followers in prayer in a sitting posture and so did the Muslims. [Ibn Hisham 2/87]

      When the preparations of the idolaters for departure came to an end, Abu Sufyan went up the mountain and called out: "Is Muhammad [pbuh] among you?" They did not answer him.

      Then he asked "Is Ibn Abi Quhafah (i.e. Abu Bakr) among you?" They did not answer.

      He asked again: "Is ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab among you?" They did not answer him; for the Prophet [pbuh] forbade them answering him.

      He only asked about those three. That is because he and his people knew quite well that the call to Islam depended to a large degree on those men.

      Abu Sufyan then said: "As for those three, we have relieved you of." ‘Umar could not help but talking, so he said, "O enemy of Allâh, those whom you have just mentioned, I tell you that they are still alive. Allâh has maintained what you hate."

      Abu Sufyan answered: "The mutilation of your killed is something I did not order it; but it did not displease me." Then he shouted: "Hubal (an idol), let it be sublime!" The Prophet [pbuh] said: "Why do you not reply?" "What shall we say?" They asked him. "Say: Allâh is more Sublime and Exalted and Mightier as well."

      He said: "Al-‘Uzza (i.e. an idol) is ours but you have no ‘Uzza." "Why do you not reply?"

      The Prophet [pbuh] said. "What shall we say?" They inquired. He said: "Say Allâh is our Protector, but you have no protector."

      Abu Sufyan said: "Well deeds! Today is a vengeance for Badr Day. This for that. War is attended with alternate success." ‘Umar’s reply was: "No. They are not the same. Our killed men are housed in Paradise; but yours are in Fire."

      Then Abu Sufyan said: "Come on, ‘Umar!" The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] said: "Go and see what the matter is."

      He went there. Abu Sufyan asked him: "I beseech you by Allâh’s Name to tell me the truth: Have we killed Muhammad [pbuh]?" ‘Umar said: "O Allâh, ‘No’ and now he is listening to you words." He said: "For me, you are more truthful than Ibn Qami’a, and even more reliable." [Ibn Hisham 2/93,94; Za'd Al-Ma'ad 2/94; Sahih Al-Bukhari 2/579]

      Ibn Ishaq said: When Abu Sufyan and those who were with him were leaving he called out notifying: "We will meet again at Badr next year." The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] said to one of his men: "Say: ‘Yes, it is an appointment for both of us.’" [Ibn Hisham 2/94]

      http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B...tsn/ch4s7.html

      The Quraish charged with full force, but the Muslims held fast. Then in the counter attack the Muslims broke the enemy line, and the Quraish fell back. At this stage the contingent of the Muslim archers, contrary to instructions, left their position in order to plunder the camp of the retreating Quraish. Khalid who was still a non-Muslim, and was fighting on the side of the Quraish rushed with his contingent and occupied the position vacated by the Muslim archers. The Quraish rallied, and launched an attack on the Muslims both from the front as well as the rear.

      In the confusion that followed, many Muslims were martyred. Even the Holy Prophet was wounded seriously, and he fell in a pit where many of his followers lay dead. Thereupon a cry rose from the ranks of the enemy that they had killed the Prophet of Islam.

      When the news of the Holy Prophet's death got wind, panic seized some of the Muslims, and thinking that all was over, they fled to Madina According to tradition when Umar heard the news that the Holy Prophet had died, he flung his arms declaring that it was no use fighting any longer.

      It is related that Anas b Nadar passing by Umar asked him how it had fared with the Prophet. Umar replied that he had heard that the Prophet had been killed. Anas observed that the Prophet's death should not prevent him from fighting in the way of Allah, for Allah was alive. Saying this Anas rushed at the infidels, and was martyred after having received seventy wounds.

      Later, the Holy Prophet was found lying in a pit. At this stage Ali, Abu Bakr, Umar, Talha, Zubair, and Harith gathered round the Prophet, and removed him to a place of safety.

      Abu Sufiyan the leader of the Quraish climbed a hillock and shouted, "Is Muhammad there?" The Holy Prophet asked his companions to remain quiet.

      Abu Sufiyan then called for Abu Bakr and Umar. No reply was made, and thereupon Abu Sufiyan shouted, “All of them have been killed.'

      At this Umar could not restrain himself, and shouted in reply, "O enemy of Allah, all of us are alive."

      Abu Sufiyan in a mood of exultation cried, "Hubbal glory to thee."

      Umar retorted, "Only Allah is Most High and Great.”

      Abu Sufiyan said, "We have Uzza with us, and you have no lord."

      Umar retaliated, "Allah is our Lord, and you have no lord."

      When the two armies withdrew from the battle-field, seventy Muslims lay dead on the battle-field. In the battle the Quraish had the upper hand. They felt satisfied that they had avenged their defeat at Badr. The Quraish were in no mood to press their advantage to march to Madina. They chose to return to Mecca.
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      Quote Originally Posted by lethal kamikaze View Post
      Peace,
      I don't understand, the questions asked by OP is quite straight-forward and it may be answered with 'Yes', 'No' and/or with details (with references if any) rather than stating each others as Sunni, Shia this that etc.
      As those who feel uncomfortable why a shia member raised this question. Let say a sunni member would like to know the answer of these questions. Now what? is that sunni member is spreading fitna???
      And those who face lil bit difficulties answering these question are free on their own wills either to post/reply or NOT. Nobody forced them to reply.
      Lastly, pardon me writing this off-topic comments. No need to reply my post but if you wish to do, you are welcome to pm me.
      Again, I request you all let stay on OP's POV, answer in general, leave sunni shia a side (as OP didn't posted it as related to any sunni or shia). We seek knowledge lets have it. What is good take it what is not leave it.
      Peace lethal kamikaze First of all allow me to commend you the way you are moderating over here – it is a very difficult and thankless task because I think, nay I’m quite sure that religious section generates most heat than any other section leaving Political section poor second, way behind.

      Poster s here open threads for 2 reasons:

      1) To gain knowledge or clear some doubts or misinformation they have.
      2) To provoke others and get reaction from them.

      A week ago a poster queried about list/names of Badri Sahabah (may Allah (swt) pleased with them all and reward them immensely): those who knew about the information provided it and with ‘Jazakallahs’ and ‘Thank yous’ the thread was done.

      Brother Aqeel got inspired by the above thread and opened the thread about the Battle of Uhud, not only inquiring about list but wanted know about impact of the war; names of companions who stayed with the Prophet (peace be upon him) and those who ran away.

      Unlike the query about Battle of Badr – Battle of Uhud has Shia/Sunni undertones/ implication because some Companions of The Prophet (peace be upon him) ‘ran’ away when they were ambushed from the rear.

      That’s why there was no simple Yes & No answer.

      This thread falls into the second category.

      Brother Aqeel was well aware what he was doing and heat that is going to generate.

      Dynamics of battle of Uhud can classified as follows:


      1) The Muslim force numbering around 700 initially routed the Makkans numbering about 3000 forcing them to flee leaving all their possessions behind.

      2) Some of the Muslims very over confidently sensing sudden victory gave up the chase and started collecting the war booty.

      3) Importantly some of the archers whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) had tactfully assigned the task of manning the hillock and had expressly told them to hold their position abandoned it joining with others in collecting the war booty.

      4) At this critical juncture, Hz Khalid ibn al-Walid (ra), (not having accepted Islam as yet) military genius that he was, saw the opportunity and exploited it well and with Hz. Ikrimah bin Abi Jahl (ra) (not having accepted Islam as yet) outflanked the Muslims and attacked with Calvary from the rear.

      5) This unexpected attack caused a great confusion and panic among Muslims and scattered them all over. As the Makkan riposte strengthen many Muslims were killed, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was wouded, there was also rumour that The Prophet (peace be upon him) had been killed. Muslims regrouped and held the ground and repulsed the enemy away.

      6) A small faction of Muslims was completely cut off and had to make its way back to Medina to seek refuge, many of these were killed. Hz. Uthman Bin Affan (ra) was among this group (who reached Medina.) Allah (swt) forgave 'misdeeds' of all the Muslims.

      If Allah(swt) has forgiven them and the Qurannic ayahs is evidence of it - We as Muslims should accept this without any rancour or misgivings

      (As for) those of you who turned back on the day when the two armies met, only the Shaitan sought to cause them to make a slip on account of some deeds they had done, and certainly Allah has pardoned them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing. [3:155]


      lethal kamikaze you are doing a great job – Headaches for you are part of ‘Moderatorship’.
      Last edited by Ibn Sadique; Sep 8th, 2011 at 08:00 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Surdar Asif View Post
      Well, all you are asking for is a little bit of objectivity but sometimes it is too much to ask particularly from the 'religious' folks. Towards simple facts, they will resort to distortions, confusion, twist and everything else under the cloud to stretch and make it in compliance with their own set point of view or the world-view propagated by the mullahs who are already on someone's payroll.
      Now on whose payroll are you? And whose agenda are you pushing? Leave the Mullahs alone they don’t own Islam.

      Quote Originally Posted by Surdar Asif View Post
      Controlling history has been key to controlling the present and the future. Unfortunately history for us has more been like 'shush-tory'.
      History always has two versions.

      First version is always written by those who are in overwhelming majority thus having the ‘power’. They seem to have a bit of superiority complex and confidence and in themselves. They are the ones who mostly dictate the events in history by their action or inaction.

      Second version
      of history is always written by the fringe minority who seem to suffer from inferiority complex. To find solace and consolation in their ‘sidelined position’ they tend demonise the ‘Heroes’ of the Majority and giving deifying powers to their own Heroes and elevating them to divine levels. Believe you me, most of the distortions take place in this version of 'shush-tory'

      Islam is practiced by following commands of Allah (swt) from the Quran and Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him). This is sufficient. Nothing more and nothing less.

      We don’t take Islam from 'shush-tory' .

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Sadique View Post
      ^ You are welcome



      Peace lethal kamikaze First of all allow me to commend you the way you are moderating over here – it is a very difficult and thankless task because I think, nay I’m quite sure that religious section generates most heat than any other section leaving Political section poor second, way behind.

      Poster s here open threads for 2 reasons:

      1) To gain knowledge or clear some doubts or misinformation they have.
      2) To provoke others and get reaction from them.

      A week ago a poster queried about list/names of Badri Sahabah (may Allah (swt) pleased with them all and reward them immensely): those who knew about the information provided it and with ‘Jazakallahs’ and ‘Thank yous’ the thread was done.

      Brother Aqeel got inspired by the above thread and opened the thread not only inquiring about list but wanted know about impact of the war; names of companions who stayed with the Prophet (peace be upon him) and those who ran away.

      Unlike the query about Battle of Badr – Battle of Uhud has Shia/Sunni undertones/ implication because some Companions of The Prophet (peace be upon him) ‘ran’ away when they were ambushed from the rear.

      That’s why there was no simple Yes & No answer.

      This thread falls into the second category.

      Brother Aqeel was well aware what he was doing and heat that is going to generate.
      I totally agree with the highlighted part... I knew people will be offended and some unrelated posts will be there but i chose to ignore them

      I am 26 and i have heard about ohad often; mostly from shia fellows. A fact about this battle is that some sahaba escaped and were forgiven other fought bravely and didn't leave Prophet s.a.w alone in battle field.

      Before opening this thread I might have header about this battle 100 times in my life time but because of sunni/shia issues i dont remember hearing a single name beside umar bin khatab running away from ohad. On the other hand i cud only recall few names (Imam Ali a.s, hazrat Abu Dajjana r.a and Hazrat Hamza a.s who was Martyred) that stayed with Prophet s.a.w and fought. Out of 700 people i didnt know about 7 people who stayed or ran away so i asked for more.

      On the other hand i had a argument with a sunni friend about Khalid bin Waleed. He claimed that Khalid bin waleed didnt lose any war in his life time. Even the one he fought against Muslims.

      Now if i mentioned Khalid bin waleed, more people wud have came forward and said we lost the war indeed. However it wasn't the case. I believe Muslims didnt let them succeed hence they lost. I wanted to know what others thought about the result of the war.

      When i posted this thread i was originally here to ask about itekaaf and when i saw the thread related to Badr i thought of asking about ohad as well.
      MARAY ALLAH MAREE IZZAT KAI LIYAY YEHI KAFI HAI KAI MAIN TAIRA BANDA HOON OOR MARAY FAKHAR KAI LIYAY YEHE KAFIHAI KAI TOU MAIRA PURWARDIGAAR. TOU WAISA HAIN JAISA MAIN CHAHTA HOO ..PUSS TOU MUJH KO WAISA BANA DAY JAISAY TOU CHAHTA HAI.

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      there was no simple yes/no answers to the intial questions. even the terms used by op require alot of explaination the knowledge of which was not present in the questions

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      Therefore He made you flee from them, that He might try you. Yet now He hath forgiven you. Allah is a Lord of Kindness to believers.
      Then He made you flee from them (your enemy), that He might test you. But surely, He forgave you, and Allah is Most Gracious to the believers

      Allah SWT calls them believers and is kind to them.


      we cannot look at this without looking at the religion (motivation) of those who refuse to forgive and accept them as believers


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      Quote Originally Posted by shardmanny View Post
      Therefore He made you flee from them, that He might try you. Yet now He hath forgiven you. Allah is a Lord of Kindness to believers.
      Then He made you flee from them (your enemy), that He might test you. But surely, He forgave you, and Allah is Most Gracious to the believers

      Allah SWT calls them believers and is kind to them.

      Can you please put the surah and ayya number.
      MARAY ALLAH MAREE IZZAT KAI LIYAY YEHI KAFI HAI KAI MAIN TAIRA BANDA HOON OOR MARAY FAKHAR KAI LIYAY YEHE KAFIHAI KAI TOU MAIRA PURWARDIGAAR. TOU WAISA HAIN JAISA MAIN CHAHTA HOO ..PUSS TOU MUJH KO WAISA BANA DAY JAISAY TOU CHAHTA HAI.

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      its two interpretions, pickthal/khan, of 3:152

      aqeel please watch video to see the actual aqeedah of those continue to mock the verified believers

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      Quote Originally Posted by aqeel123 View Post
      I totally agree with the highlighted part... I knew people will be offended and some unrelated posts will be there but i chose to ignore them
      I am 26 and i have heard about ohad often; mostly from shia fellows. A fact about this battle is that some sahaba escaped and were forgiven other fought bravely and didn't leave Prophet s.a.w alone in battle field.
      Before opening this thread I might have header about this battle 100 times in my life time but because of sunni/shia issues i dont remember hearing a single name beside umar bin khatab running away from ohad. On the other hand i cud only recall few names (Imam Ali a.s, hazrat Abu Dajjana r.a and Hazrat Hamza a.s who was Martyred) that stayed with Prophet s.a.w and fought. Out of 700 people i didnt know about 7 people who stayed or ran away so i asked for more.
      Salaam Aqeel Thanks for the feedback – We are lucky in this day and age that we have the Internet. You must read as much from all versions of history so that you can get as much information as possible. Do not rely one source.

      You must understand the dynamics of the Battle of Uhud.

      1) Muslims routed the Makkans and the Makkans turned their heels and were on the run.
      2) Muslims prematurely started celebrating the victory and let their guard down.
      3) Some of the archers abandoned their strategic positions on the hillock against the express wishes of the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him)

      4) Cavalry attack by Khalid bin Al Waleed scattered the Muslim army formation and Muslims were divided into 3 groups.


      a) Those who were near the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) joined him

      Following is the names of those were the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) And I have got it from a reputable Shia site.

      http://www.al-islam.org/history/history/ohod.html

      Note Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) is among them

      Who remained with the Prophet (s)?

      The companions fled away, concerned only with their own safety. History recorded seven exceptional Meccans (Ali, Abu Bakr, Abdul-Rahman Ibn Ouf, Saad Ibn Abu Waqass, Talhah Ibn Obeidah, Al-Zubeir Ibn Al-Awam, Abu Obeidah Ibn Al-Jarrah); And Seven exceptional Medi- nites (Al-Hubab Ibn Al-Munthir, Abu Dujanah, Sahl Ibn Huneif, Assim Ibn Thabit, Saad Ibn Mu ath, As-ad Ibn Hudheir or Saad lbn Abadah and Mohammad Ibn Musli- mah).

      b) Those who fled from the Hz. Khalid bin Al Waleed’s and were pushed far away from Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) and were disheartened when heard the rumours of Prophet (saw) ’s death and later found their way back to him. Hz. Umar bin Al Khattab (ra) was from this group. In one of my previous posts I have quoted from Net about Hz. Umar (ra) answering back Abu Sufyan on Prophet (saw) ’s behest.

      c) This group were completely cut out from main body of Muslims and only refuge for them was fleeing to Madinah – Hz. Uthman bin Affan (ra) was from this group.


      Quote Originally Posted by aqeel123 View Post
      On the other hand i had a argument with a sunni friend about Khalid bin Waleed. He claimed that Khalid bin waleed didnt lose any war in his life time. Even the one he fought against Muslims.
      Technically this is true – Hz. Khalid bin Al Waleed (ra) was exceptionally talented Military genius.
      Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) honoured by the following title Sayf-Allah al-Maslul (the Drawn Sword of Allah)

      Quote Originally Posted by aqeel123 View Post

      When i posted this thread i was originally here to ask about itekaaf and when i saw the thread related to Badr i thought of asking about ohad as well.
      I hope that you find the following links useful.

      List of Shuhadah of Badr (Martyrs Of The Battle of Badr)

      http://iqra.net/articles/muslims/badr.php

      ASMÂ AHL BADR MUSLIM WARRIORS OF THE BATTLE OF BADR RADY ALLÂHU 'ANHU


      http://iqra.net/articles/muslims/badr/names.php

      MUSLIM MARTYRS OF THE BATTLE OF UHUD ASMĀ’ SHUHADĀ’ UHUD Rady Allāhu ‘Anhum

      http://iqra.net/articles/muslims/uhud.php

      I am sure you will find the following interesting.

      The Battle of Uhud: Victory - Not Defeat

      http://www.huda.tv/articles/prophet-...ory-not-defeat

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      Quote Originally Posted by shardmanny View Post
      its two interpretions, pickthal/khan, of 3:152

      aqeel please watch video to see the actual aqeedah of those continue to mock the verified believers

      plz use your head before trying to quote Quran......
      Last edited by Nussairee; Sep 8th, 2011 at 07:38 PM.
      If your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourself.

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      Quote Originally Posted by shardmanny View Post
      Therefore He made you flee from them, that He might try you. Yet now He hath forgiven you. Allah is a Lord of Kindness to believers.
      Then He made you flee from them (your enemy), that He might test you. But surely, He forgave you, and Allah is Most Gracious to the believers

      Allah SWT calls them believers and is kind to them.


      we cannot look at this without looking at the religion (motivation) of those who refuse to forgive and accept them as believers

      very believable, isn't it!
      in case u have not watched already there r tens and hundreds of vdos of Sunnis turning Shia.....Muslims turning Christians........ meat-lovers turning vegetarians and so on on the internet..........http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...C1%2C27&nfpr=0
      Last edited by Nussairee; Sep 8th, 2011 at 11:27 PM.
      If your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourself.

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