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  1. Mar 9th, 2005, 02:31 PM #1
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    any thoughts on this? also shrimps and other sea food (other than fish)
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  3. Mar 9th, 2005, 02:39 PM #2
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    Lobster is NOT halal


    As far as sea food is concerned, only that fish which has scales may be consumed. In addition, it must be alive when caught from the water. Crabs are not classified as fish and may not be consumed. There is some differences amongst certain ulama' regarding lobsters but the general consensus seems to be that it should not be consumed.

    See Ayatullah Seestani's Islamic Laws p. 489
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  4. Mar 9th, 2005, 03:04 PM #3
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    Gawwwd. And what are these laws based upon?
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    Hadith: 'Two carions are made Halaal for us; Fish and locust.' (Mishkaat vol.2 pg.361)
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    Mishkaat?

    And what is the level of authenticity of this hadith? Did they know what lobsters and other shellfish were in those areas?

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    The reason why I say this is that the Quran manages to mention pig, but it leaves out crabs and lobsters.
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    ^ Do you expect Quran to mention all 12,000 species on earth? Pig is strictly forbidden so it is mentioned.
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  9. Mar 9th, 2005, 03:49 PM #8
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    they are makrooh ...i am making an assuption on that...
    i consume crabs, lobsters, shrimp ...infact i love them...I will have to confirm whether they are haraam or not
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    at most they are makrooh, mein moonh bana kar kha laita hoon

    I have seen crabs and shell fish being served in most middle eastern countries, as well as indoensia and Pakistan. That would not be possible if it was forbidden ouright.
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  11. Mar 9th, 2005, 04:06 PM #10
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    They are haraam in hanafi fiqh, and makrooh in the other 3 sunni fiqhs, i'm pretty certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraudz
    at most they are makrooh, mein moonh bana kar kha laita hoon

    I have seen crabs and shell fish being served in most middle eastern countries, as well as indoensia and Pakistan. That would not be possible if it was forbidden ouright.
    true ....i do the same - yeah they are served everywhere in dubai......so mad scientist u sure that they are haram in hanafi fiqh?
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    they are haram in fiqah e jafaria as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by homer_j_simpson
    true ....i do the same - yeah they are served everywhere in dubai......so mad scientist u sure that they are haram in hanafi fiqh?
    I'm absolutely sure they are haraam in hanafi fiqh. I've read that elsewhere. Non-hanafi scholars who's opinions I have heard or read are split, with some saying they are makrooh and others that they are halal.
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    can u tell me which fiqah allows it so i convert to that fiqah when I go to have me a lobster.
    this sort of knowledge is important, had i not converted to fiqah e jafaria on weekneds during college, i would be a very gunahgaar insaan. knowledge saved me.
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    According to Hanbali and Shafi fiqh, all living creatures found in the sea are halal, whether they are in the form of a fish or not. This includes oyster, , shrimp, lobster, shark, etc.

    According to Maliki fiqh, every living creature of the sea is halal except eel.

    According to Hanafi fiqh, only scaled fish are allowed.
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    >>>According to Hanafi fiqh, only scaled fish are allowed

    Maddy, double check on that one.
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  18. Mar 9th, 2005, 05:46 PM #17
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    Yes, double check it, because in Pakistan all Hanafies use fish which is without Scale - but Shias dont use.

    I am not sure what else they use - like star fish with hundreds of legs and other sea foods like chinese.
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    See, if even the fiqhs are disagreeing over the level of haraam/maqrooh - there has got to be some problem in the picture!
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