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      What is the significance of 786 in Islam? Today’ date is being considered sacred….07/08/2006. Does it influence Muslim’ life?

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      i dunno but the meaning of 786 is Bismillah

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      Quote Originally Posted by anjjan
      What is the significance of 786 in Islam?
      There is none.

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      Today’ date is being considered sacred….07/08/2006. Does it influence Muslim’ life?
      No its not considered sacred. 786 has nothing to do with Islam, its just some random number.

      I dont see how a random number would start effecting muslim lives.
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      Its Bida'a..

      It has no significance to a Muslim.

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      Quote Originally Posted by *umair
      Its Bida'a..

      It has no significance to a Muslim.
      I used to say that too..


      As-Salamu `alaykum:

      To write 786 in lieu of the Basmala is permitted. The numeral 786 represents the abjad [letter-numeral] value of the Basmala [‘Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem’]. If there is fear of disrespect for the Basmala if written in full then it may be preferable to use the number 786 instead. Occasional use of abjad numerals has long been current among the Ulema.

      See the table of "abjad" [letter-numeral] values at

      http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/arabic/glossary.html


      Objections to using 786 in the sense of the Basmala fall into three categories:

      1. The objection that the numeral 786 does not represent the Basmala. This is simple ignorance of abjad values. Such an objection carries no weight at all.

      2. The objection that using 786 is a novelty. This is correct but so is the spread of printed matter and worldwide literacy. The Sunna way in this regard is to find ways to curb the risks of heedlessness and disrespect to sacred things in print. The use of 786 is one such way. A better one is to write the Arabic letter Ba' to stand for the Basmala or to write: Bismihi Ta`ala = "In his Name, Most High."

      An important point of principles. The use of abjad numerals was accepted by the Ulema of Islam East and West long ago and therefore cannot be called a bid`a except by those constantly and/or essentially at odds with the Umma's understanding and practice i.e. the bid`a sects themselves. They can be exposed by their own key statements, such as "Was the verse, 'Today I completed your religion for you', revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) or to the so-called scholars of our age who are all bent to amend the Divine principles?"

      3. The objection that it is potential kufr because 786 also happens to stand for the abjad value of "Hare Krishna" if Arabized as Ha'-Ra'-Ya'-Kaf-Ra'-Shin-Nun-Alif. This is a grave charge and false on many fronts or rather backsides to boot. It is ironic that this objection was published in a country that has allowed the name of their king to be engraved on the very door of the Ka`ba in full letters, yet they do not raise a peep against such an act! More importantly:

      (i) False witness against fellow Muslims, chronic suspicion of fellow Muslims, and diseased pride are all among the Kaba'ir. They must be avoided at all cost and such an accusation should have never seen the light of day nor be given the time of day. Instead, it is being reposted and circulated!

      (ii) Those that leveled these false accusations of potential kufr and bid`a against Muslims should repent, as the accusations have now returned upon them. The same applies to the propagators. Allah Most High has placed the Hurma or sanctity of a Muslim too high to allow such reckless accusations to be thrown about without consequences.

      (iii) The correct abjad value of Hare Krishna is NOT 786 but 776. There is no long Ya at the end of Hare but a brief vowel that does not stand for a letter. The result is:

      NOT h-5, r-200, i-10, k-20, r-200, sh-300, n-50, a-1 = Aggregate 786

      BUT h-5, r-200, k-20, r-200, sh-300, n-50, a-1 = Aggregate 776

      (iv) The numeral 786 might apply to any number of names or phrases. However, it is used by Muslims only and in the Basmala sense only. Other senses are precluded from the usage of those Muslims. A pseudo-censor comes along and claims that other senses are not precluded: such a false judge is ignoring the fundamental principles that

      {Deeds Count Only According to Intentions}

      and that

      {The Lawful Is Crystal Clear and the Unlawful is Crystal Clear}.

      He has put aside half of the Shari`a by ignoring these two principles. Who will possibly follow him except those Allah misguides?

      The reverse is true also: even if 786 meant only ‘Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem’ and nothing else, it would still be meaningless to use it without the intention of Basmala.

      (v) Suppose 786 does stand for Hare Krishna, which means "Holy Krishna." There is nothing in Islam - and Allah knows best - that precludes the possibility that Krishna was a Prophet of Islam. "We find popular Muslim poets in India, such as Sayid Sultan, writing poems about Krishna as a Prophet. There is no final theological proof that he was one, but the assumption is nonetheless not in violation of the Koran" (Abd al-Hakim Murad, "British and Muslim?" Based on a lecture given to a conference of British converts on September 17 1997). Writing the name of a Prophet as one's letterhead can never be "infidelity."

      Someone had requested a response on this issue two years ago on the mail-list msa-ec. The lengthiness of this response is due to the sad fact that extremism has shifted the issue from a one-line ruling of secondary importance (Use of the numeral 786 in lieu of Basmala offensive or permitted? - Permitted) to the grave disease of takfir and tabdi`, and Allah is our help.

      {And speak not, concerning that which your own tongues qualify (as clean or unclean), the falsehood: "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so that ye invent a lie against Allah. Lo! those who invent a lie against Allah will not succeed} (16:116).

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      its amazing how ppl somehow think that 786 is some sacred number. I mean frget non muslims who think that based on statements or usage by muslims, its strange that many muslims seem to think it means bismillah.

      while some ppl may ant to use the numbers for one reasoon or another it does nto make the number holy, or the date holy or anything like that.

      There were some goos posts ere a while back about the origin of this.
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      Quote Originally Posted by anjjan
      What is the significance of 786 in Islam? Today’ date is being considered sacred….07/08/2006. Does it influence Muslim’ life?
      NO! these numerical numbers have no values or sacred meaning! There're few months, in Islamic calender, that are more important than the others or few days that have been mentioned in Quran or Sunnah. In general, for a Muslims(Momin) every day is sacred because we get another day of life to remember Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala!


      Quote Originally Posted by paki_pride786
      i dunno but the meaning of 786 is Bismillah
      What's the proof? Is there a hadith which states that numerical value 786 = Bismillah and we should use 786 instead of Bismillah?

      Brother cricketplaya, how about you and those scholars, SubhaanAllah, convert the whole Quran into numerical values and read that?
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      Quote Originally Posted by AllahkaBanda

      Brother cricketplaya, how about you and those scholars, SubhaanAllah, convert the whole Quran into numerical values and read that?
      O Brother, just read my whole post.. You will see I am not going against the Quran or any Hadith.

      Would you write Bismillah in arabic on a board when you will throw it out in the garbage? Rather use 786... But 786 has no value and no importance just a means.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cricketplaya
      Would you write Bismillah in arabic on a board when you will throw it out in the garbage? Rather use 786... But 786 has no value and no importance just a means.
      When you're agreeing that it has no value or importance than don't compare it with Bismillah because Bismillah DOES have values and importance! What are you going to do with meaning if you believe that it is NOT significant? If you write Bismillah on a letter for example, if you don't believe that somehow it's helpful then what's the point of writing it! Just for killing the paper's space or because other use it and now it has become a fashion? See, you're again contracdicting yourself with your above post. At once, you promote the idea and then suddenly you accept its wrong!
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      Quote Originally Posted by anjjan
      What is the significance of 786 in Islam? Today’ date is being considered sacred….07/08/2006. Does it influence Muslim’ life?
      786 and any date correlation would be useless as there are so many ways of representing dates ... others have already responded its place in Islam.

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      Pointless debate. I am still firm that its a Bida;a.

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      Quote Originally Posted by AllahkaBanda
      When you're agreeing that it has no value or importance than don't compare it with Bismillah because Bismillah DOES have values and importance! What are you going to do with meaning if you believe that it is NOT significant? If you write Bismillah on a letter for example, if you don't believe that somehow it's helpful then what's the point of writing it! Just for killing the paper's space or because other use it and now it has become a fashion? See, you're again contracdicting yourself with your above post. At once, you promote the idea and then suddenly you accept its wrong!
      Once again, you with your "your contradicting yourself"..

      bro, read it again, maybe you need to read it 3 times..?

      that's what im saying bismillah has value, would you just write bismillah and leave it there and let the kufar littler and disrespect it.. 786 is just a replacement, wheover know what the 786 stand for they understand, the people who don't well good luck to them.

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      ^ who said we're out of the Jahiliyah phase.
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      no significance- just a superstition-------leading to hell

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      Salamvalekum

      This topic is a repost and for further reference please click on the link below

      Significance of 786 (786)
      Kullu Bida'htin Dalala, Wa Kullu Dalalatin Fin naar: Every innovated matter leads you astray, and every deviation leads you to hell fire.

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      Amazing to see how ignorant Wahabis are hijacking the thread! Kiya baat hai aap logon ki! My muslim brothers and sisters, "786" is very significant in Islam. It refers indirectly(by summing the numbers corresponding to Arabic alphabets used) to the opening verses of the holy Quran, "Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim". I am surprised and at pain to learn people refusing the most sacred number in Islamic religion and history.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Impressionist
      no significance- just a superstition-------leading to hell
      shut up!

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      Quote Originally Posted by quas
      Amazing to see how ignorant Wahabis are hijacking the thread! Kiya baat hai aap logon ki! My muslim brothers and sisters, "786" is very significant in Islam. It refers indirectly(by summing the numbers corresponding to Arabic alphabets used) to the opening verses of the holy Quran, "Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim". I am surprised and at pain to learn people refusing the most sacred number in Islamic religion and history.
      Get me the Proof if your truthful.

      If its a sacred no. provide the Proof from Quran and Prophetic tradition. I will believe it, without any hindrance.
      Whom I to go against Quran and Hadith.
      Kullu Bida'htin Dalala, Wa Kullu Dalalatin Fin naar: Every innovated matter leads you astray, and every deviation leads you to hell fire.

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