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      Incidentally Deedawar it isnt as simple an answer as your portray...and i suggest you read the question properly cos a lot of Muslims drink and pray...

      Theres a lot of things you shouldnt do but how many of them stop you from praying...thats what im asking?...obviously one cannot pray after sex without doing ghusl for instance...

      My question wasnt about whether you can pray whilst drunk or lean but rather the question was regarding whether the precense of alcohol stops one from being able to pray...Psyah has mentioned that the precense of alcohol restricts one from prayer for forty days?...is that correct?...and if it is correct does this ruling extend to other intoxicants so can one not pray if they have had weed or any other drug for forty days?...
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      http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=2040

      It has been narrated by Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) that Nabiy (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, 'An alcoholic's Salaat will not be
      accepted for forty days. If he repents, Allah will forgive him.' (Tirmidhi vol.2 pg.8)

      The commentators have explained this Hadith as, 'Salaat will not be accepted ', meaning he will not attain the sweetness of conversing with Allah.
      However, his obligation will be discharged. Another explanation is that his reward will not be like the reward of those who do not drink.

      and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

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      Quote Originally Posted by psyah View Post
      Peace deedawar

      With regard to the poster NBN has picked verse 4:43, which does state the word 'intoxication' or some translate it as 'drunkeness'.

      I was trying to say that this ruling was evident when alcohol consumption was not haram. It was only haram to pray or approach prayer in that state.

      Of course today alcohol is haram because of the other later revelations, which puts your point into perspective.
      All I can say is that I agree with your post and thank you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Naughty by Nature View Post
      Incidentally Deedawar it isnt as simple an answer as your portray...and i suggest you read the question properly cos a lot of Muslims drink and pray...

      Theres a lot of things you shouldnt do but how many of them stop you from praying...thats what im asking?...obviously one cannot pray after sex without doing ghusl for instance...

      My question wasnt about whether you can pray whilst drunk or lean but rather the question was regarding whether the precense of alcohol stops one from being able to pray...Psyah has mentioned that the precense of alcohol restricts one from prayer for forty days?...is that correct?...and if it is correct does this ruling extend to other intoxicants so can one not pray if they have had weed or any other drug for forty days?...
      You say I read your question again.

      Here is your question:

      "Can one pray when they have alcohol or any other intoxicants in their system?..."

      The question is illogical in the sense of what Quran clearly says. So clear that no such question should ever arise in any perspective.

      Please read Quran.

      Please do not try to mix any other situation or drugs or sins into this revelation.

      Please do not try to cause a confusion when there is none and there never has been any confusion in the history about it!

      First of all: Alcohol is forebidden regardless of it has any effect on someone.
      Quranic verses do not distinguish between stae of intoxication or not.

      Secondly, prayer is not allowed while someone has consumed alcohol wheather he/she is intoxicated or not. The final verse on this matter.

      You said you wantd to know if someone is ABLE to pray while he/she had alcohol...........off course. One can still stand on the rug and read verses.
      ................but ......is it allowed as per Quran...off course not.

      Are you trying to show that you afterall have not a simple mind and LOOKING for something which is not even there?

      Please bring some valuable questions to the forum instead of questions which already have been answered in Quran CLEARLY.

      Again............please read Quran.

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      Lol im not disputing anything thats said in the Quran...

      Alcohol is forbidden im aware of that...i didnt make an issue of intoxication you are...im well aware that anything that has the ability to intoxicate you is haram regardless of whether it does or not...

      We have established that whilst under the influence one must not pray...

      And you havent actually provided anything that says whatever your point is...

      Im not disputing that alcohol is haram but im asking how it nullifies prayer...others have provided evidence saying prayer does not get accepted for 40 days whilst you have provided absolutely nothing...

      On must generally not sin but most sins dont stop someone from praying...a fornicator can still sit and read verses on a rug as long as he has done his ghusl whilst there is dispute as to whether someone who has consumed alcohol can...and that is my question for which you have provided no answer...

      My question is as nonsensical as someone saying can i still free mix and pray...one sin doesnt negate the need to fulfil a fard does it?...
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      I do not know if you are trying to back track from what you wrote or simply do not know how to write a question which you have in your mind.

      I copied your question and anyone will get the idea that you wanted to know if one CAN pray while has alcohol consumed just prior to performing prayer....you said 'in the system'!

      The answer is clear in Quran and that in NO!

      I end my discussion with you here unless you bring any other twist to the discussion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by psyah View Post
      Peace All

      Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #3643, narrated Abdullah ibn Umar ; Abdullah ibn Amr

      Allah's Messenger said, "If anyone drinks wine Allah will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents Allah will forgive him. If he repeats the offence Allah will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents Allah will forgive him. If he again repeats the offence Allah will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents Allah will forgive him. If he repeats it a fourth time Allah will not accept prayer from him for forty days, and if he repents Allah will not forgive him, but will give him to drink of the river of the fluid flowing from the inhabitants of Hell."

      This is basically saying even if a person is not drunk but has consumed alcohol will not have his prayer accepted, for 40 days.
      Not really my expertise or concern since I believe God will accept your prayers at any time if they are sincere and offered from the heart. I have prayed many a times while under the influence. But I guess I am one step further in kafir land since I believe spontaneous, sincere prayers are more meaningful than scheduled, symbolic prayer rituals.

      But this hadith is an example of how these 'reported sayings' can give such dire consequences and IMO poor advice on such important matters. After the 4th prayer under the influence you are not forgiven and sent to hell? That is incomprehensible. Alcoholsim is a disease. Ad addictive disease. It can take years of therapy and life long dedication to become free of it. And here it says, as if it is fact, that you are going to hell for violating this rule 4 times.

      I have never received the answer - when were these 'reported sayings' revealed to the prophet? If they were revelations from God, why didn't they make it to the protected promise of the Quran? If they weren't revelations from God, are we to assume the prophet had this knowledge implanted in him? It had to be one or the other for his 'reported' words to be given God-like status.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      Not really my expertise or concern since I believe God will accept your prayers at any time if they are sincere and offered from the heart. I have prayed many a times while under the influence. But I guess I am one step further in kafir land since I believe spontaneous, sincere prayers are more meaningful than scheduled, symbolic prayer rituals..
      Even though the word prayes has been used several times in this post but there is difference in the meaning of this word which Seminole did not understand or could not grasp.

      1-Praying before Allah is a sacred act for a muslim. If it is not the same case for anyone else then its not the fault of musims.

      2- Prayer word, what is discussed here is Namaaz or Salaat which Seminole has absolutely no grasp about.

      3- The issue is not the prayer what many think is a gesture of raising hands and asking something from Allah (Dua).

      4-The issue is exactly the same as it is described in Quran. Meaning performing prayer five times.

      5- Having alcohol in the system as it was asked in the beginning is NOT ALLOWED in Islam as per Quran. I hope that should be the end of this silly question and discussion.



      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      But this hadith is an example of how these 'reported sayings' can give such dire consequences and IMO poor advice on such important matters. After the 4th prayer under the influence you are not forgiven and sent to hell? That is incomprehensible. Alcoholsim is a disease. Ad addictive disease. It can take years of therapy and life long dedication to become free of it. And here it says, as if it is fact, that you are going to hell for violating this rule 4 times. .
      Agreeing or disagreeing to narrated hadith is not the discussion of this thread.


      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      I have never received the answer - when were these 'reported sayings' revealed to the prophet? If they were revelations from God, why didn't they make it to the protected promise of the Quran? If they weren't revelations from God, are we to assume the prophet had this knowledge implanted in him? It had to be one or the other for his 'reported' words to be given God-like status.
      This question must be asked in appropiriate place NOT here. I suspect Seminole looked for the answer for this question at all the WRONG places.


      OFF TOPIC but NOT away from Seminole post:

      Islam does not teach someone to be sure of going to heaven regardless of what someone does or not. This is excluding 10 people during the life of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH and other Prophets of Allah. This is contradictory to non-muslim teaching where one is given so called SALVATION if one believes Jesus was the son of God and whatever.

      In my opinion based on Islamic values I cannot say if prayer will be(remind you and the original poster of this thread) accepted or not accepted if one has alcohol in the system meaning blood or brain.

      Many people without being infuenced by alcohol or whatever may not get their praye accepted if they did not abide with islamic teachings and what Allah expects them to do including so called islamic scholars and so called pious people.

      Accepted and allowed are two different scenarios and meanings.

      According to Quran it is not allowed to consume Alcohol and also it is not allowed to consume alcohol before prayer.

      Its just not good to go against the will of Allah knowingly and expect good result.

      Now....................Its always up to Allah to accept or not accept something.

      A secretary cannot and never assure a candidate that the boss will definitely accept the candidate for the job.

      I do hope that with all the mercy Allah will continue to guide us the right way.

      Hope my point is gotten across.
      Last edited by deedawar; Jun 22nd, 2007 at 06:38 PM.

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      i read somewhere that if u have been intoxicated then ur prayer isnt accepted by Allah for 40days aftr u have drunk the alcohol

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      Quote Originally Posted by deedawar View Post
      Even though the word prayes has been used several times in this post but there is difference in the meaning of this word which Seminole did not understand or could not grasp.
      I'm trying to grasp as it appears all others are trying as well.
      1-Praying before Allah is a sacred act for a muslim. If it is not the same case for anyone else then its not the fault of musims.
      I dont follow the thought that ritualistic prayer is any more sacred than non-ritualistic
      2- Prayer word, what is discussed here is Namaaz or Salaat which Seminole has absolutely no grasp about.
      The hadith quoted here to support this view mentions 'prayer', not any specific prayer.
      3- The issue is not the prayer what many think is a gesture of raising hands and asking something from Allah (Dua).
      ok
      4-The issue is exactly the same as it is described in Quran. Meaning performing prayer five times.
      Actually the Quran prescribes only 3 prayers.
      5- Having alcohol in the system as it was asked in the beginning is NOT ALLOWED in Islam as per Quran. I hope that should be the end of this silly question and discussion.
      So having alcohol in your system throws you from the fold of Islam? Or only after 4 times during prayer?
      Agreeing or disagreeing to narrated hadith is not the discussion of this thread.
      Of course it is if it is the 'source' being used to justify a position.
      This question must be asked in appropiriate place NOT here. I suspect Seminole looked for the answer for this question at all the WRONG places.
      What official rules say so? Gupshup rules or can you quote a hadith? I ask this question when it is obvious IMO that hadith (that don't make sense) are put on par with God's words. No one ever has the answer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by humerarocks View Post
      i read somewhere that if u have been intoxicated then ur prayer isnt accepted by Allah for 40days aftr u have drunk the alcohol
      It has been narrated by Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) that Nabiy (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, 'An alcoholic's Salaat will not be
      accepted for forty days. If he repents, Allah will forgive him.' (Tirmidhi vol.2 pg.8)

      The commentators have explained this Hadith as, 'Salaat will not be accepted ', meaning he will not attain the sweetness of conversing with Allah.
      However, his obligation will be discharged. Another explanation is that his reward will not be like the reward of those who do not drink.

      and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

      Mufti Ebrahim Desai

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      I'm trying to grasp as it appears all others are trying as well..
      Hope you got it by now. I wrote it clearly in my post.

      1-Prayer= Namaz, Salaat
      2-Prayer= Dua, Asking something from Allah, Something one does before havig meal.


      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      I dont follow the thought that ritualistic prayer is any more sacred than non-ritualistic.
      Thats your opinion calling it ritualistic. For many its a necessity to stay withing islamic boundary. Anyway its a moot point so i will not go further along this line.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      The hadith quoted here to support this view mentions 'prayer', not any specific prayer..
      Thats again your opinion. A muslim will know what is said in that hadith.
      Quranic verse has a clear background for it and you need to read the verse in appropriate context and then try to understand the hadith.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      Actually the Quran prescribes only 3 prayers..
      Your opinion without suitable background knowledge. Three or five, the discussion is not about the number of prayers prescribed.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      So having alcohol in your system throws you from the fold of Islam? Or only after 4 times during prayer?.
      Yes. Even temporarily so. It is said that a muslim is not a muslim during performing a sin but comes back to being muslim if repents. The discussion is not about three times or 4 times commiting the the sin so you seem to be creating an argument for argument sake.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      Of course it is if it is the 'source' being used to justify a position. .
      I say Quran says so clearly so that should be sufficient. All my posts say that question was unnecessary just because the poster just did not read or understand Quran.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seminole View Post
      What official rules say so? Gupshup rules or can you quote a hadith? I ask this question when it is obvious IMO that hadith (that don't make sense) are put on par with God's words. No one ever has the answer.
      Nothing can be put on par with God's words. I am sorry if someone gave you any other impression.

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      Quote Originally Posted by khanbabax View Post
      Thats why I never give my personal opinons when it comes to religion or start by saying "I think".
      well it is very human to think. I am not sure that one who does not think can be categorized as a human or some other animal.
      All The Best

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      Seminole! You have a lot of knowledge of Islam. I understand that you are a christian presently. have you ever considered of conversion?
      All The Best

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      ^ i just cant help myself.

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