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      "The city of Al-Madeenah literally trembled on the day that Abu Bakr (raadi Allaahu 'anhu) died; in fact; other than the day of the Prophet's death the people of Madeenah had never witnessed a sadder day, nor a day upon which they had shed more tears. Upon hearing the sad news, 'Ali ibn Abi-Talib (raadi Allaahu 'anhu) hurried towards Abu Bakr's house, all the while saying, "Verily we belong to Allah, and to Him is our return."

      'Ali (raadi Allaahu 'anhu) then stood outside the house in which Abu Bakr (raadi Allaahu 'anhu) had died, and made the following long speech, which he addressed to Abu Bakr (raadi Allaahu 'anhu) himself:

      "O Abu Bakr, may Allah have Mercy upon you. You were the closest companion and friend of the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam); you were a comfort to him; you were the one he trusted most. If he had a secret, he would tell it to you; and if he needed to consult someone regarding a matter, he would consult you. You were the first of your people to embrace Islam, and you were the most sincere of them in your faith. Your faith was stronger than any other person's, as was the degree to which you feared Allah. And you were wealthier then anyone else in terms of what you acquired from the religion of Allah 'Azza Wa-Jall (The Posessor of Might and Majesty). You cared most for both the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and Islam. Of all people, you were the best Companion to the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam); you possessed the best qualities; you had the best past; you ranked the highest; and you were closest to him. And of all people you resembled the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) the most in terms of his guidance and demeanor. Your ranking was higher than anyone else's, and the Prophet (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) honored you and held you in higher esteem than anyone else. On behalf of the Messenger of Allah and Islam, may Allah reward you with the best of rewards. When the people disbelieved in the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) you believed in him. Throughout his life, you were both his eyes with which he (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam), and his ears with which he heard. Allah has named you truthful in his book when He said:

      "And he (Muhammad (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) who has brought the truth (this Qur'an and Islamic Monotheism) and (those who) believed therein (i.e. the true believers of Islamic Monotheism), those are Al-Muttaqun (the pious and righteous persons)" (Qur'an 39:33)

      When people were stingy in their support for the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) you comforted him. And when people sat still, you stood side by side with the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam), facing the same hardships that he faced. In times of hardship, you were truly a good and noble Companion of his. You were the 'second of two', his Companion in the Cave; and the one upon whom As-Sakeenah descended. You were his Companion during the migration and you were his successor regarding the religion of Allah and His nation. And truly good sucessor you proved to be when the people apostatized. You did what no other Khaleefah of a Prophet did before you. You stood up firmly and bravely when his other Companions lost their resolve and became soft. And when they became weak, you adhered to the methodology of the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam). You truly were as the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: weak in your body, but strong regarding the commands of Allah; humble in yourself, but lofty in your ranking with Allah; well-esteemed in the eys of people, honored and great in their hearts. Not a single one of them had any reason to dislike you, to be suspicious of you, or to hold you in contempt.... The weak and humble you have always treated as strong and honorable, making sure you gave them what was rightfully theirs. And in this regard, you have treated relatives and strangers equally. Of all people, you respect those who are most obedient to Allah and who fear Him the most. In your overall character, you embody truth and compassion. Your speech has always been characterized by the qualities of wisdom and decisiveness. And you have always struck a noble balance between gentleness and firmness. You have always based your decisions on knowedge, and once you have made your decisions, you have always kept a firm resolve to execute them... Verily to Allah do we belong, and to Him is our return. We are pleased with, and we submit to, Allah's decree. And by Allah, other than the death of the Messenger of Allah (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) Muslims have never been afflicted with a greater calamity than the calamity of your death. You have always been a protector, a sanctuary, and source of honor for this religion. May Allah 'Azza Wa-Jall make you join the company of His Prophet, Muhammad (salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and may he not deprive us of your reward. And may He not lead us astray after you."

      People had gathered around 'Ali (raadi Allaahu 'anhu) and listened to his speech until he was finished. Then they all cried with raised voices, and they all responded in unison to 'Ali's speech, saying, "Indeed, you have spoken the truth." [1]

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      [1]At-Tabsirah, by ibn Al-Jawzee (1/477-479); and Ashaab Ar-Rasool (1/108)

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      Thanks for the story Ali bhai. I got some more memorable last moments of the first caliph to share from more authentic Sunni books:

      This is the full narration as recorded by al-Diya al-Maqdisi in his al-Ahadith al-Mukhtarat 1/88:

      أخبرنا أبو الفخر أسعد بن سعيد بن محمود الأصبهاني قراءة ونحن نسمع بأصبهان قيل له أخبرتكم فاطمة بنت عبد الله الجوزدانية قراءة عليها وأنت تسمع أنا محمد بن عبدالله بن زيد أنا أبو القاسم سليمان بن أحمد الطبراني ثنا أبو الزنباع روح بن الفرج المصري ثنا سعيد بن عفير حدثني علوان بن داود البجلي عن حميد بن عبدالرحمن بن حميد بن عبدالرحمن بن عوف عن صالح بن كيسان عن حميد بن عبدالرحمن عن أبيه قال دخلت الأحاديث المختارة على أبي بكر رضي الله عنه أعوده في مرضه الذي توفي فيه فسلمت عليه وسألته كيف أصبحت فاستوى جالسا فقلت أصبحت بحمد الله بارئا فقال أما إني على ما ترى وجع وجعلتم لي شغلا مع وجعي جعلت لكم عهدا من بعدي واخترت لكم خيركم في نفسي فجلكم ورم لذاك أنفه رجاء أن يكون الأمر له ورأيت الدنيا قد أقبلت ولما تقبل وهي جائية وستنجدون بيوتكم ستور الحرير ونضائد الديباج وتألمون ضجائع الصوف الأذري كأن أحدكم على حسك السعدان ووالله لأن يقدم أحدكم فتضرب عنقه في غير حد خير له من أن يسبح في غمرة الدنيا ثم قال: أما إني لا آسي على شيء إلا على ثلاث فعلتهن وددت أني لم أفعلهن وثلاث لم أفعلهن وددت أني فعلتهن وثلاث وددت أني سألت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عنهن فأما الثلاث اللاتي وددت أني لم أفعلهن فوددت أني لم أكن كشفت بيت فاطمة أو تركته وأن أعلق على الحرب وددت أني يوم سقيفة بني ساعدة كنت قدفت الأمر في عنق أحد الرجلين أبو عبيدة أو عمر فكان أمير المؤمنين وكنت وزيرا ووددت أني حيث كنت وجهت خالد بن الوليد إلى أهل الردة أقمت بذي القصة فإن ظفر المسلمون ظفروا وإلا كنت ردءا ومددا وأما اللاتي وددت أني فعلتها .

      Abubakr said:

      I wish I never violated or abandoned the house of Fatima even if she had waged a war against me. I wish that on the day of Saqifah I had placed the affair (i.e. caliphate) on the neck of either Abu Ubaydah or Umar so that such would be the Commander of the Believers while I remained his vizier. I wish I had not sent Khalid ibn Walid towards the people of apostasy.


      The margin writer of al-Ahadith al-Mukhtarat states that all its narrations are sahih. Imam al-Suyuti in his Tadrib al-Rawi 1/144 states:

      ومنهم الحافظ ضياء الدين محمد بن الواحد المقدسي جمع كتاباً سمّاه المختارة التزم فيه الصحة، وذكر فيه أحاديث لم يسبق إلى تصحيحها

      Among them is al-Hafiz Diya al-Din Muhammad ibn al-Wahid al-Maqdisi. He compiled a book naming it al-Mukhtarat. In the book are sahih narrations. He has recorded only sahih narrations in that book.
      "And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them." [26:227] Al-Quran

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      tell me why why hz. ali ra named there sons on the name of 3 khalifa, and also why hz. hussain ra and rest of your so called imam did that for your information 11 socalled imams have childrens name like 3 khalifa.

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      Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

      “No one among the respectable Muslim scholars has said that ‘Ali was more knowledgeable or had more understanding of Islam than Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, or even than Abu Bakr alone. Those who claim that there is consensus on that are among the most ignorant of people and the greatest liars. Rather, more than one of the scholars have stated that there is scholarly consensus that Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq was more knowledgeable than ‘Ali, such as Imam Mansoor ibn ‘Abd al-Jabbaar al-Sam’aani al-Marwadhi, one of the leading scholars of the Sunnah among the companions of al-Shaafa’i, who mentioned in his book Taqweem al-Adillah ‘ala’l-Imam that there was consensus among the scholars of the Sunnah that Abu Bakr was more knowledgeable than ‘Ali. I do not know of anyone among the famous imams who disputes this point. How could it be otherwise when Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq used to issue rulings and commands and prohibitions, and pass judgements, and deliver khutbahs in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as he used to do when he and Abu Bakr would go out to call the people to Islam, and when they migrated together, and on the day of Hunayn, and on other occasions, when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) remained silent and approved of what Abu Bakr said; no one else enjoyed such status. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) consulted with the wise and knowledgeable men among his companions, he would consult Abu Bakr and ‘Umar first, because they were the first to speak about matters of Islam in the presence of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) before the rest of his companions; for example when he consulted them about the prisoners of Badr, the first ones who spoke about that were Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, and this also happened on other occasions… In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated that the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) were with him on a journey and he said: “If the people obey Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, they will be guided aright.” And it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that he used to give his fatwas based on the Book of Allaah, and if he could not find anything then he would look at the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then if he could not find anything he would refer to the fatwas of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, then if he did not find anything he would refer to the fatwas of ‘Uthmaan and ‘Ali – and Ibn ‘Abbaas was the habr al-ummah (scholar of the ummah) and the most knowledgeable of the Sahaabah of his time, and he would consult the words of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar and give them precedence over the words of anyone else among the Sahaabah. And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed for Ibn ‘Abbaas and said, “O Allaah, cause him to understand the religion of Islam and teach him the correct interpretation (of the Qur’aan).”

      Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 4/398

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      Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001 View Post
      tell me why why hz. ali ra named there sons on the name of 3 khalifa, and also why hz. hussain ra and rest of your so called imam did that for your information 11 socalled imams have childrens name like 3 khalifa.
      you have been answered before righthere. Kuch tou sharam karo yaar.
      "And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them." [26:227] Al-Quran

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      Ibn Taymiyah was shaykhul Islam? Abu Bakr was more knowledeable than Ali? Khuda ka khof kar bhai.
      "And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them." [26:227] Al-Quran

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      we are well aware of the antics of shaykh ibn taymiyah and his underhanded tactics to discredit the iraqi ahle sunnah scholars ...

      in the guise of their friendship u and ibn taymiyah is just creating more differences out of nothing between the personalities of sayyidna siddiq akbar and sayyidna Ali

      shaykh ninowy has written a whole paper on why prefering sayyina ali over all other companions ( while having the utmost respect for sayyidna umar & sayyina abu bakr) is not a rafidha belief.And this view is consistently present (albiet a minority )in all generations of scholars of ahle sunnah

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pagluu View Post
      you have been answered before righthere. Kuch tou sharam karo yaar.
      woh jin ki ghood may hujoor-e-akram as nay wafat pai, un kay khalaf jhoot baknay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      woh jin ki baraat may ayah nazil hovey un kay baray may jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      woh jin ko quran ahlul bait khay kar mukatib karay un pay bothan laganay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis kay baray may rasool pbuh kahain kay agar meray baad koi rasool hota to umer ra hotay us hasti par jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis koo hujoor pbuh apni jaga namaj parahay ki ijajat day, un to munafiq khanay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis nay kabi hey nahi kaya kay wo imam hain, wasi hain, muskil kusa hian, ghaib ka ilm jhantay hain our jis nay sahabi ki muhabat may apnay bachoon kay nay bhi un par pakhay us par jhoot bandnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

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      ^Abey "ijjajat, namaj", ja bhai kissi aur ka laho pi
      "And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them." [26:227] Al-Quran

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      Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001 View Post
      woh jin ki ghood may hujoor-e-akram as nay wafat pai, un kay khalaf jhoot baknay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      woh jin ki baraat may ayah nazil hovey un kay baray may jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      woh jin ko quran ahlul bait khay kar mukatib karay un pay bothan laganay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis kay baray may rasool pbuh kahain kay agar meray baad koi rasool hota to umer ra hotay us hasti par jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis koo hujoor pbuh apni jaga namaj parahay ki ijajat day, un to munafiq khanay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis nay kabi hey nahi kaya kay wo imam hain, wasi hain, muskil kusa hian, ghaib ka ilm jhantay hain our jis nay sahabi ki muhabat may apnay bachoon kay nay bhi un par pakhay us par jhoot bandnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.
      jin ko quran nay ghalti per daraya kay hum apney rasool (SAW) to tum say achey sathi daingey unko

      jo hujoor pbuh ka janaza chor kar hukumat per qabja karney kay liye bhagey they un per

      jo hujoor pbuh ki sahabzadi ki virasat per qabzaa ker baithey

      jin nay hujoor pbuh ki sahabjadi ka ghar jalaney ki koshish ki
      Last edited by righteous; May 4th, 2009 at 01:25 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001 View Post
      "The city of Al-Madeenah literally trembled on the day that Abu Bakr (raadi Allaahu 'anhu) died; in fact; other than the day of the Prophet's death the people of Madeenah had never witnessed a sadder day, nor a day upon which they had shed more tears. Upon hearing the sad news, 'Ali ibn Abi-Talib (raadi Allaahu 'anhu) hurried towards Abu Bakr's house, all the while saying, "Verily we belong to Allah, and to Him is our return."
      .............. and i thought crying on dead was biddat ! more ever people who were sad on Prophet s.a.w's death must have attended the Janaza of dear Prophet s.a.w.
      MARAY ALLAH MAREE IZZAT KAI LIYAY YEHI KAFI HAI KAI MAIN TAIRA BANDA HOON OOR MARAY FAKHAR KAI LIYAY YEHE KAFIHAI KAI TOU MAIRA PURWARDIGAAR. TOU WAISA HAIN JAISA MAIN CHAHTA HOO ..PUSS TOU MUJH KO WAISA BANA DAY JAISAY TOU CHAHTA HAI.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001 View Post
      woh jin ki ghood may hujoor-e-akram as nay wafat pai, un kay khalaf jhoot baknay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      woh jin ki baraat may ayah nazil hovey un kay baray may jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      woh jin ko quran ahlul bait khay kar mukatib karay un pay bothan laganay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis kay baray may rasool pbuh kahain kay agar meray baad koi rasool hota to umer ra hotay us hasti par jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis koo hujoor pbuh apni jaga namaj parahay ki ijajat day, un to munafiq khanay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      jis nay kabi hey nahi kaya kay wo imam hain, wasi hain, muskil kusa hian, ghaib ka ilm jhantay hain our jis nay sahabi ki muhabat may apnay bachoon kay nay bhi un par pakhay us par jhoot bandnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      dude, u r banagli ???? what was ur full name again ? Ali Jaan Jaffery ?

      And look what u just said ....

      jis kay baray may rasool pbuh kahain kay agar meray baad koi rasool hota to umer ra hotay us hasti par jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      #1. Agar yeh hadees suchi hai to Abu bakar ko khalifa kion banaya ? umer ko 1st khalifa kion nahi banaya ?? this hadees totally tells key umer shld have been first khailfa..... or was this hadees made after 1st caliph was choosen ?

      #2. Agar yeh hadees galat hai to yeh bhi pata chal gaya key who was having dreams of becoming Prophet.

      #3. Agar yeh hadees sahi hai to yeh pata chal gaya that Prophet s.a.w did have knowledge of unseen.....

      and m very sure in response of this u will just copy paste a longgggggggg post from somewhere that has nothing to do with this and no one wants to read the post. Thats a very useful salafi tactic.
      Last edited by aqeel123; May 4th, 2009 at 09:13 AM.
      MARAY ALLAH MAREE IZZAT KAI LIYAY YEHI KAFI HAI KAI MAIN TAIRA BANDA HOON OOR MARAY FAKHAR KAI LIYAY YEHE KAFIHAI KAI TOU MAIRA PURWARDIGAAR. TOU WAISA HAIN JAISA MAIN CHAHTA HOO ..PUSS TOU MUJH KO WAISA BANA DAY JAISAY TOU CHAHTA HAI.

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      Quote Originally Posted by aqeel123 View Post
      dude, u r banagli ???? what was ur full name again ? Ali Jaan Jaffery ?

      And look what u just said ....

      jis kay baray may rasool pbuh kahain kay agar meray baad koi rasool hota to umer ra hotay us hasti par jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      #1. Agar yeh hadees suchi hai to Abu bakar ko khalifa kion banaya ? umer ko 1st khalifa kion nahi banaya ?? this hadees totally tells key umer shld have been first khailfa..... or was this hadees made after 1st caliph was choosen ?

      #2. Agar yeh hadees galat hai to yeh bhi pata chal gaya key who was having dreams of becoming Prophet.

      #3. Agar yeh hadees sahi hai to yeh pata chal gaya that Prophet s.a.w did have knowledge of unseen.....

      and m very sure in response of this u will just copy paste a longgggggggg post from somewhere that has nothing to do with this and no one wants to read the post. Thats a very useful salafi tactic.
      pagal admi hz. ali ra nay objection nahi kiya tum kar rahay ho, hz. ali ra nay nahi kaha kay main imam hun, aur yaar gaar-e-rasool ra nay mery imamate cheenli, main bhout darta hun, kanp raha hun, main nay taqqiya adopt kar liya hai, our 1 lac log yeh ho log hain yeh saad kalay choor hain, saab kay saab aik saat mil kar meray sath mura sulook karrahain hain, mujay moat ka daar hai, main nay hz. abu bakar ra kay pechay namaz bhi dar kay maray pharly hai, mujhay khuda kay megam bhi mila hai par in logo day daar say main logo main nahi kah sakta hun, is liya mujha shia logo ki bhoot garorat hai jo mary taraf say jhooti baati logo ko suna kar ghumrah karain.

      may nay too hz. amir mauwiah ra say sulah bhi daar kay maray kar li, yeh saab main un ko kaisay bataun kay mai imam hun, kiya karon quran may bhi nahi likha, hadith may bhi nahi aya, kiya karoon samaj main nahi ata.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001 View Post
      pagal admi hz. ali ra nay objection nahi kiya tum kar rahay ho, hz. ali ra nay nahi kaha kay main imam hun, aur yaar gaar-e-rasool ra nay mery imamate cheenli, main bhout darta hun, kanp raha hun, main nay taqqiya adopt kar liya hai, our 1 lac log yeh ho log hain yeh saad kalay choor hain, saab kay saab aik saat mil kar meray sath mura sulook karrahain hain, mujay moat ka daar hai, main nay hz. abu bakar ra kay pechay namaz bhi dar kay maray pharly hai, mujhay khuda kay megam bhi mila hai par in logo day daar say main logo main nahi kah sakta hun, is liya mujha shia logo ki bhoot garorat hai jo mary taraf say jhooti baati logo ko suna kar ghumrah karain.

      may nay too hz. amir mauwiah ra say sulah bhi daar kay maray kar li, yeh saab main un ko kaisay bataun kay mai imam hun, kiya karon quran may bhi nahi likha, hadith may bhi nahi aya, kiya karoon samaj main nahi ata.

      mujhey pata tha key tumharay pass meray aaadhay sawal ka bhi jawab nahi hai, Hamesha ki tarah nasibi tarqeea... Topic badal dalo..... Khuda samnay aa ker khudai ka dawa kion nahi kerta ??? us per bhi koi fatwa laga do !

      Imam Ali a.s Agar Khamosh rahay to Muslmaano ki unity key liey.... Ta key Sects na banain ............Aur Hind key bachay ney iss liey jang shroo ki key islam main sects chahta tha.... Sulah to Prophet s.a.w ney maka waloon sey bhi ki thi, Kia woh bhi muslmaan they ??? Waisey to abu bakar ko namazain parhanay ka itna shooq hai, Khod sey hi rawayatin bana lien key mainey wahan bhi namaz parhai, wahan bhi namaz parhai,,, us ney bhi meray peechay namaz parhi, us ney bhi meray peechay namaz parhi..... Rasool s.a.w key Jinazay key waqt kia ho gaya tha ? Wafat key Ghum main namaz-e-jinaza ka tarqeea bhool gaya tha ?


      Tum main to Taqiya Jaiz bhi nahi... Kion Imam Ali a.s key liey nafrat ko dil main chupa rakha hai .... Khul ker boool do !!!

      Taqiya jaiz nahi .... lakin Bhukray main Laaal masjid sey bhaag rahay hain ???

      Masla tumhain taqiya sey nahi Balkay shia sey hai !!!
      Last edited by aqeel123; May 5th, 2009 at 07:37 AM.
      MARAY ALLAH MAREE IZZAT KAI LIYAY YEHI KAFI HAI KAI MAIN TAIRA BANDA HOON OOR MARAY FAKHAR KAI LIYAY YEHE KAFIHAI KAI TOU MAIRA PURWARDIGAAR. TOU WAISA HAIN JAISA MAIN CHAHTA HOO ..PUSS TOU MUJH KO WAISA BANA DAY JAISAY TOU CHAHTA HAI.

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      Quote Originally Posted by aqeel123 View Post
      .............. and i thought crying on dead was biddat ! more ever people who were sad on Prophet s.a.w's death must have attended the Janaza of dear Prophet s.a.w.
      Quote Originally Posted by aqeel123 View Post
      dude, u r banagli ???? what was ur full name again ? Ali Jaan Jaffery ?

      And look what u just said ....

      jis kay baray mayrasool pbuh kahain kay agar meray baad koi rasool hota to umer ra hotayus hasti par jhoot bolnay walay sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

      #1. Agar yeh hadees suchi hai to Abu bakar ko khalifa kion banaya ? umer ko 1st khalifa kion nahi banaya ?? this hadees totally tells key umer shld have been first khailfa..... or was this hadees made after 1st caliph was choosen ?

      #2. Agar yeh hadees galat hai to yeh bhi pata chal gaya key who was having dreams of becoming Prophet.

      #3. Agar yeh hadees sahi hai to yeh pata chal gaya that Prophet s.a.w did have knowledge of unseen.....

      and m very sure in response of this u will just copy paste a longgggggggg post from somewhere that has nothing to do with this and no one wants to read the post. Thats a very useful salafi tactic.
      seriously man, u salafis make it look so easy to change the topic and totally ignore the questions asked
      MARAY ALLAH MAREE IZZAT KAI LIYAY YEHI KAFI HAI KAI MAIN TAIRA BANDA HOON OOR MARAY FAKHAR KAI LIYAY YEHE KAFIHAI KAI TOU MAIRA PURWARDIGAAR. TOU WAISA HAIN JAISA MAIN CHAHTA HOO ..PUSS TOU MUJH KO WAISA BANA DAY JAISAY TOU CHAHTA HAI.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ALIJAN1001 View Post
      pagal admi hz. ali ra nay objection nahi kiya tum kar rahay ho, hz. ali ra nay nahi kaha kay main imam hun, aur yaar gaar-e-rasool ra ny mery imamate cheenli,
      .

      Kabhi Nasibiyat say chutkaara milay to Nahajul Balagha ka Khutba Shashaqiyah parhlena, maloom hjaiga kay Ali bin Abi Talib [as] nay ia kaha.

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      Quote Originally Posted by aqeel123 View Post
      mujhey pata tha key tumharay pass meray aaadhay sawal ka bhi jawab nahi hai, Hamesha ki tarah nasibi tarqeea... Topic badal dalo..... Khuda samnay aa ker khudai ka dawa kion nahi kerta ??? us per bhi koi fatwa laga do !

      Imam Ali a.s Agar Khamosh rahay to Muslmaano ki unity key liey.... Ta key Sects na banain ............Aur Hind key bachay ney iss liey jang shroo ki key islam main sects chahta tha.... Sulah to Prophet s.a.w ney maka waloon sey bhi ki thi, Kia woh bhi muslmaan they ??? Waisey to abu bakar ko namazain parhanay ka itna shooq hai, Khod sey hi rawayatin bana lien key mainey wahan bhi namaz parhai, wahan bhi namaz parhai,,, us ney bhi meray peechay namaz parhi, us ney bhi meray peechay namaz parhi..... Rasool s.a.w key Jinazay key waqt kia ho gaya tha ? Wafat key Ghum main namaz-e-jinaza ka tarqeea bhool gaya tha ?


      Tum main to Taqiya Jaiz bhi nahi... Kion Imam Ali a.s key liey nafrat ko dil main chupa rakha hai .... Khul ker boool do !!!

      Taqiya jaiz nahi .... lakin Bhukray main Laaal masjid sey bhaag rahay hain ???

      Masla tumhain taqiya sey nahi Balkay shia sey hai !!!
      bara hi bhonda jawab mila hai, hz. ali ra (i love hz. ali ra and i am belong to his offspring) too kamosh rahatay our un say munsaliq letters awam may ghoom rahay hain aur us par hz. ali ra ka un letters of taluq ka mana karna, our un logo kay khilaf ghusay ka izhar kana jo hz. ali ra ko hz. abu bakar ra say ouncha mantay tha, kiya hz. ali ra nay sari jindagi jhoot hi bola hai (nauzubillah). tum hz. ali ra par jhoot par jhoot bandh rahay ho kuch too khuda ka kouf karo.

      jis ko tum taqiya kha rahay ho wo quran may bhi hai yani agar app kay pass khuch khanay ka na ho our app ki jan par bani huvi ho to app ko permission hay kay app murdar/haram janwar say thora say kha lian yani had say tajawat na karain.

      jehan tak hz. ali ra ka taluq hai, un ko jaan ka koi khatra nahi tha, is liya un ko jhoot bolnay ki jarorat nahi thi, and so called 12 imams ko bhi nahi thi, shia ki khaniyou say maloom hota hai kay 12 imams nay kabi sach bola hi nahi.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BOY-NICE View Post
      Taqiyah sirf apni jaan kay lye nehen hota, dosroon ka khoon bachanay kay lye bhi hota hai, Islam bachanay kay lye bhi hota hai, ab yeh nehen keh dena kay tumahray nazdeek apni jaan ziada qeemti hai banisbat Islam kay.

      Aur Imam kay kabhi na sach bolnay ka khiaal kahan say agya tumhain? Tumhara aik sarparast Rasool ki bewti ki samnay jhoot kia bol kar chalagia samajhtay ho sab hi jhootay hain?
      array yaar tum kitna jhoot bool rahay hoo, tum nay hz. ibrahim as and hz. musa as ki baat ki, unonay apny jaan bachanay kay liya is say kam liya, unonay kabhi yeh too nahi kaha kay woo allah kay nabi nahi, nabuwat par jhoot nahi boola jasakta, agar tum log khatay hoo kay imamate islam ka pillar hai too us par na too jhoot bola jasakta hai na us to posida rakha jasakta hai, jis tarah rasoolon as nay apni baat logo tak punchai, chahay log khus hon ya naraz allah ka message hai our us ko puhchana jarory hai, posida rakhna nahi.

      tumharay kisi imam nay imamat ka dawa nahi kiya, na kisi nay yeh khah ko wo imam hai bus bunder jasay log unka fake letter lay kar logo ko ghumray kartay rahy our woo log jin ko tum imam khatay hoo woo log un kay ghmray our murtid khatay rahay. agar koi imam kuch poshida rakhta hai our us kay existance kay baray main yeh khatay hain kay yeh log un par jhoot bandh rahay hain our yeh letter un kay nahi too kiya yeh kisi so called masoom ko zeab deta hai.

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