Originally Posted by JeevayPakistan

1.All the praise is to the Creator of this world. Rig Ved 1‐81‐5
Holy Quran 1:2, All Praise to Allah! Lord Creator of all the worlds

here is the real rig veda verse 1-81. this is a verse dedicated to the hindu god Indra.

1. THE men have lifted Indra up, the Vṛtra slayer, to joy and strength:
Him, verily, we invocate in battles whether great or small: be he our aid in deeds of might.
2 Thou, Hero, art a warrior, thou art giver of abundant spoil.
Strengthening e’en the feeble, thou aidest the sacrificer, thou givest the offerer ample wealth.
3 When war and battles are on foot, booty is laid before the bold.
Yoke thou thy wildly-rushing Bays. Whom wilt thou slay and whom enrich? Do thou, O Indra, make us rich.
4 Mighty through wisdom, as he lists, terrible, he hath waxed in strength.
Lord of Bay Steeds, strong-jawed, sublime, he in joined hands for glory's sake hath grasped his iron thunderbolt.
5 He filled the earthly atmosphere and pressed against the lights in heaven.
None like thee ever hath been born, none, Indra, will be born like thee. Thou hast waxed mighty over all.
6 May he who to the offerer gives the foeman's man-sustaining food,
May Indra lend his aid to us. Deal forth—abundant is thy wealth—that in thy bounty I may share.
7 He, righteous-hearted, at each time of rapture gives us herds of kine.
Gather in both thy hands for us treasures of many hundred sorts. Sharpen thou us, and bring us wealth.
8 Refresh thee, Hero, with the juice outpoured for bounty and for strength.
We know thee Lord of ample store, to thee have sent our hearts' desires: be therefore our Protector thou.
9 These people, Indra, keep for thee all that is worthy of thy choice.
Discover thou, as Lord, the wealth of men who offer up no gifts: bring thou to us this wealth of theirs.

not even close to what you claim. perhaps you can explain why they are so different before we move onto further copy-pastes.

Peace All,

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Originally Posted by queer

and this is what i have a problem with. why would you start talking about islam on a thread about hinduism?

if i understand your logic and reasoning correctly, your claim that hinduism is a corruption of some prophets messages is based purely from islamic scripture, and not from any specific detail you can point out from hindu scripture. but you agree that even in islamic scripture, you arent able to pinpoint anything specific about these prophets you claim were sent to india, but you would like to guess that hindu sages and incarnations were prophets.

i hope you are able to understand that islamic scripture holds no value to anyone who is not a muslim. and hence, these kind of claims while may be okay among muslims, are pretty offensive to hindus.

Dear queer, my point is very simple, you explain from your point of view what hinduism is and why do you follow it if you do? Or how does it benefit or harm humanity in your view and whether that view stands scrutiny or not? This is why I explained islam as I understand it and also explained how it benefits or harms humanity.

The reason I think religions need to be looked at this way is because of international crisis that are caused in the name of scriptures and their followers. You know what hindus are doing to others in india and obviously you are aware of what muslims are doing to others and so on and so forth.

To me it matters if people divide each other on harmful and destructive basis therefore I want to get rid of such divisions and that is not by force of arms but through force of reason.

To me beliefs and actions of people matter because people could be believing in wrong ideas and if they act on those wrong ideas then they are going to cause a lot of harm and destruction. If possible through constructive brotherly dialogue we can persuade each other away from what we might think is wrong.

I do not want people to hide behind baseless ideas and keep on fighting over them like animals. This is why regardless you are hindu or muslims or christian or whatever, what is your stand point and why becomes as important as about me or anyone else. Just thinking my religion or scripture or belief or action is up to me is not fine if it will lead to harm and destruction of others.

So you can see that beliefs and actions cannot be personal because the whole humanity is interlinked inseparably. It is like sea-saw effect that if you do anything it has implications for me and if I do anything that has implications for you. We cannot live in isolation from each other therefore we have duty to keep each other right. It is better if we put things right in time if we see anything wrong before bad things overwhelm us and we end up harmed or destroyed.

There is a false notion that religion can be isolated from state affairs. It is because religious people always try their best to act out their religious beliefs therefore all states are suffering because of this. On the contrary if we could unite on some basis then such things could be ended. By trying to keep alive useless ideas and beliefs we are actually keeping alive troubles for later.

I hope this explains my point as to why I want to know what hinduism is from your point of view. This is will help us see how hinduism should be treated. Even if hinduism is nonrevealed religion or even if it is just myths, the point is are these myths beneficial for people or harmful? If they benefit then people should hold on to them other wise people should be helped to let them go. In case of letting go people will need a lot of help.

The reason we need to look at our beliefs and actions like this is because we should not be held prisoners by our baseless beliefs or we are bound to remain stagnant or may even regress as a people or yet worse may end up harming and destroying each other. This is how we can benefit a great deal from mutual interfaith dialogues.

Our brotherly interaction can help us become refined in reason and that is how we can draw each others attention to points that may be harmful and so we can help each other remove problems from among us one by one.

This is not about converting each other but about convincing each other about our weaknesses and strengths and once we understand ourselves and others better there is a good chance that we will end up as one people on a basis that is better than what we already had that divided us.

So please go ahead and share you ideas about hinduism as you understand.

regards and all the best.

@queer are not vedas revealed by brahma?

religious verses crack me up, no matter what religion, they all have the same tone

"oh god you are so awesome oh god oh god"
" oh god thank you for everythign oh god"
" oh god you control everything we will behave"
" oh god you are so awesome oh god oh god"

Originally Posted by sharaabee:8865029

religious verses crack me up, no matter what religion, they all have the same tone

"oh god you are so awesome oh god oh god"
" oh god thank you for everythign oh god"
" oh god you control everything we will behave"
" oh god you are so awesome oh god oh god"

Thats the similarity between all religions.
If you dont believe in god then you can not understand these verses.
Which religion your family practise?

Vedic literature does not have any god beside, Indira, mitra, Varun, agni etc. they are considered Devas in hinduism, Later post vedic text bring in Bhagwan and holy trinity of Brhama, Vishnu and Mahesh. Vedic geography doesn't have any idea beyond hindukush in east and Draviddesh in south
RigVedic Hymns are more concentrated on one Nirgun-ah and Nirakar-ah literally without any qualities and without any shape, god

Originally Posted by babloos

also in many hindu mythology mother who gave life to you is placed one step above the god

And teacher is also above god and more right on individual than god

Originally Posted by queer

well i can't talk about the islamic scriptures that consider krishna to be a messenger of Allah (but if muslims thinks krishna is one of their prophets, perhaps they should talk about this more lol).

Ahmedis claim that Krishna is god's prophet

Originally Posted by queer

what i can talk about with certainty are your references from the hindu scriptures.

now i think it is the turn of even muslims to be offended by the claims made. too many things here that are plain wrong but i'll just point out the most obvious one - the original sanskrit verse starts off like this.



eeshagyaa krinyaami paishaach dharma-daarunam.

paishaach = diabolic

translates into "i'm going to start a diabolic faith". the kaur or someone else whose sanskrit is better can perhaps confirm this is what the verse says.

i don't know why anyone picked this verse to associate with what you are trying to claim. but it serves quite the opposite purpose.

The verse means " With this intention I will start a faith of satan(paisacham) and claims that it will bring fall of Hindu civilization. But if it is about end of times before MahaPralay(Quayamat) or before is doubtful

Originally Posted by ninja hattori

@queer are not vedas revealed by brahma?

Saraswats claim that Maata Gayatri appeared from Saraswati river and gave it to Brahmins, but i doubt if entire literature claims so, Vedas were conceived before writing came and their actual dating is impossible as well.

Originally Posted by the kaur

And teacher is also above god and more right on individual than god

yes

parents comes first then guru,god is placed in third position....


btw sangam literature has more info about hinduism,they even predate sanskrit

Originally Posted by babloos

yes

parents comes first then guru,god is placed in third position....


btw sangam literature has more info about hinduism,they even predate sanskrit

First is Pitra rina, followed by Rishi rina and lastly Dev rina. an individual is indebted by these rinas at the time of birth
Sangam literature is in classical tamil, modern tamil has sanskrit content while classical doesn't have any, it is considered of 3rd Century BCE

One more question about Hinduism.

Why Hindu females are so much attracted to Muslim males?

ok joking

Originally Posted by TLK

One more question about Hinduism.

Why Hindu females are so much attracted to Muslim males?

ok joking

lolz
it happens both ways(natural animal attraction)...............

only thing if muslim women likes a hindu boy,it's not allowed in islam for a women to marry a non muslim, there parents will do a honour killing(there are many such kind of such stories in up,where parents killed thier own daughters) ..

also maybe unlike hindus, muslims are sour losers can't take it in a sportive spirit
ok last part joking

Originally Posted by TLK

One more question about Hinduism.

Why Hindu females are so much attracted to Muslim males?

ok joking

You want theological answer or practical one

Originally Posted by babloos

lolz
it happens both ways(natural animal attraction)...............

only thing if muslim women likes a hindu boy,it's not allowed in islam for a women to marry a non muslim, there parents will do a honour killing(there are many such kind of such stories in up,where parents killed thier own daughters) ..

also maybe unlike hindus, muslims are sour losers can't take it in a sportive spirit
ok last part joking

Hau merko malum kaisey potte osmania kalege ke bahir kade rehte

but if you are jatt, honor killing happens if couple has sagotra marriage

Sagotra marriage or gandharb vivah?

Originally Posted by muqawwee123

Sagotra marriage or gandharb vivah?

Gandharv vivah means, in which boy and girl of different or same caste elope together

Gothram tells from Paternal ancestry like My gothram is Gandhar, my ancestor is from Kandhar and hence all people with same gothram are either my brother or sister, hence marriage is void and couple is killed by Khap Panchayat of Jats

Originally Posted by the kaur

You want theological answer or practical one



Hau merko malum kaisey potte osmania kalege ke bahir kade rehte

but if you are jatt, honor killing happens if couple has sagotra marriage

lol dunno about jatts

but here in andhra it's next to impossible for intercaste marriage..
even the chicks if you go and propose they will ask you are you a reddy or chowdary if yes then ok orelse get lost....
my parents were exception they did inter caste marriage,so i can change according to girl by saying i belong to reddy or chowdary..


about gotra in south india we have cross cousin marriages,like fathers sister son/daughter or mothers brother son/daughter of opposite sex,so that bride and groom will come from two defferent families and also have defferent gotras
so no chance of marriage within same gotra,infact cross cousin marriages comes from puranas arjuna is married to daughter of balarama
generally in olden days your married only to ur cousin nowadays it's very rare may be in villages

^^ Arjun was married to Shri Krishna's sister, Subhdra, it was different gothram one was Pandav another was Yadav. But in Andhra, I have attended a wedding in Adoni near Raichur and I saw a friend a girl marrying her Mama. Mama in jats means like two mothers, it is simply impossible in Nothern India
I am against killing anyone but I can't agree to Sagotra marriage ever

Thank god for this rule

Originally Posted by babloos

only thing if muslim women likes a hindu boy,it's not allowed in islam for a women to marry a non muslim,

OK, I've become really curious: What is the answer to OP's question?

Originally Posted by lethal kamikaze

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Originally Posted by the kaur

^^ Arjun was married to Shri Krishna's sister, Subhdra, it was different gothram one was Pandav another was Yadav. But in Andhra, I have attended a wedding in Adoni near Raichur and I saw a friend a girl marrying her Mama. Mama in jats means like two mothers, it is simply impossible in Nothern India
I am against killing anyone but I can't agree to Sagotra marriage ever

read properly again,i said cross cousin marriage,since opposite sibling are given to another family they will have gotra of husband's family


about mama marriage it's very rare nowadays,in olden days defference between first and last child would be like 20 plus years,they use to bare childerns until age of 50
lolz in some cases mama would be younger then her niece,even then these people will belong to defferent families, since mother is married to another family