Ma Mooli

Anyways, i was looking at the hebrew alphabet and found some of them to be exactly the same. I know the arabic and hebrew are both semitic languages, but the actual resemblance is quite uncanny. Words like bait deen, and madrasah are also used for educational institution, Youm Kippur; the day of kaffara(atonement), binyamin (son of yamin), and bin laden(son of ladin) etc. and so many more..does anyone know any other?

anyways, here are some of the alphabet (they also have 26 in total);

Aleph (Alif),
Bet (Beh),
Gimmel, (Jim/Gaf?),
Daled, (dal),
Hay, (Heh),
Vav, (Vaw),
Zayin, (zaal),
Tet, (Teh),
Yud (yeh),
Kaf, (kaf)
Chaf (?)
Lamed, (laam)
Mem (meem),
Nun (nun),
Samech, (sin),
Ayin (Ayin),
Fay (Feh),
Resh (Reh),
Shin (shin),
Sin (sin).

btw, its not relevant, but does anyone know if the Jews believe that Prophet Moses (as) historically had a speech impediment since childhood as muslims do?

gupguppy

I've read that Jews hold this view... not sure of it's across the board though...

For Bible readers, it depends how you translate/interpret Exodus 4:10:

"Moses said to the LORD, "O Lord, I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue." (New International Version)

Compare this with the Qur'an...

"And loose the knot from my tongue. So they may understand what I say..." (20:27-28)

"And my brother, Haroun, he is more eloquent of tongue than I, therefore send him with me..." (28:34)

fallenpieta

This doesn't belong here. This belongs in the toilet.

Verizon

^^ SHAME ON YOU. Your thinking belongs in the gutter as well.

I have read that moses when young picked coal (burning) and put it in his mouth which caused speech impediment.

Ma Mooli

fallen: such disgraceful comparisons you make. go wash your mouth out young man.

Verizon: there was a test given by Pharoah to see if He (As) was the child who will be the cause of his downfall. He put a burning coal and a jewel in front of the child. Moses (As) went towards the jewels, but Hazrat Jibrael moved his arm towards the coal and the child picked it put it in his mouth, resulting in his tongue being burnt, but his life being saved.

Thanks gupguppy. Im just interested in reading into history, and corresponding the facts between the 3 faiths. Bible ive read bits of before, but the Torah, ive not seen yet. I think I should make an effort to look into it esp. considering they're rulings on eating pork, covering hair, music etc are so similar, its strange. Ive always thought it as some distant religion for some reason, and its just hit me how close they really are. yeah alrite im a lil slow, but i think thats mainly cuz we dont come across many orthodox jews who practise thier religion strictly. well not here anyway.

lets see what else we can find...

TheNewWannaBe

There are many similarities..... in Torah and Quran... Not read.. just heard... and if compared, Torah comes across as much more strict version of Quran.

Do you know Jews were the people God gave the most "barins" to? And since they were very proud of their good intellectual powers, they even refused to follow Moses calling him bad names and not accepting his message. Do you know in OT somewhere God has promised the Jews to send them a nation who would blindly follow all the commands of God.... without thinking twice... it is mentioned that that nation would be sent to Jews to fight aganist (This was sent when Jews had refused to follow another order from God which came to them trhough Moses). Some people suggest God is referring to Arabs there. And in reality, we do see that they do not think much. They follow blindly what they are told. They do not question. Jews used to question alot.... it was in their nature. Arabs are emotionally strong.

Sorry read about it long time ago so do not have reference right now.

Lajawab

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Fallen, This too at one time, was a language used by Allah :swt: to address mankind...And these are not Jewish alphabets, they are Hebrew alphabets...Jewish refers to anything pertaining to Jews...

Hazrat Ibrahim (as) had two sons, Ishaaq (as) and Ismail (as)...They spoke Aramaic...From Ishaaq (as) came the Hebrews and eventually the Jews and they developed what's known as Hebrew today and from Hazrat Ismail (as) came the Arabs, and they developed what's today known as Arabic...

So Aramaic is the mother tongue of both Hebrew and Arabic...

And yes, the Jews too believe that Musa :as: had a speech impediment, and according to the Old Testament, asked his brother Aaron (Haroon or Harun (as)) to speak on his behalf many times...

Ma Mooli

The NewWannaBe, bani israel did question HAzrat Musa alot, for example, the golden/yellowy calf story, where they were asked to slaughter a cow, but the peoples heart wasnt in it, so they would ask more and more questions as to how the cow should look, eventually they made it so diffcult on themselves, they had to go out and find the exact cow, when originally any cow would have done.

Lajwab: Thanks. I was wondering where aramaic came in to the picture. I heard God in aramaic is Elah (or something similar). I think the hebrew numbers are kind of similar aswell. As for Hazrat Musa (as), does that mean he had some sort of lisp?

fallenpieta

Excuse me for being anti-Israel and everything it stands for and has stood for.

Ma Mooli

anti-israel and anti-judaism are two different issues even though we tend to associate them together.

fallenpieta

I am anti-judaism, anti-zionist, and anti-israeli.

Lajawab

All Zionists are Jews, but not all Jews are Zionists...There are some Jews who openly oppose the occupation and the treatment of Palestinians...And Muslims...Few, but they are there...

gupguppy

Maybe some kind of stutter to begin with? But whatever the impediment might have been it seems clear from the Qur'an that it was removed following Prophet Musa's (as) prayer in 20:25-35 (which includes the request, "And loose the knot from my tongue.") given that Allah says at the end of the supplication, "You are indeed granted your petition, O Musa." (v.36)

mAd_ScIeNtIsT

The various languages around the mediterranean, from hebrew to arabic to greek to all derived languages, all come from a common root.

Compare arabic to greek:

Alif - Alpha
Beh - Beta
Gaf - Gamma
Daled - Delta
Teh - Theta
Yeh - Iota
Kaf - Kappa
Laam - Lambda
Meem - Mu
Noon - Nu

Many of the letters, and their very names, are clearly related

antiobl

Thanks for starting a good thread MM.

Here is an important one.

Shalom Alaichem, Aleichem shalom
Salaam Alaikum, Walaikum Salaam.

See we the Muslims follow almost every religious aspect of Jewish people. Circumcision of boys is another example. I guess we focus too much on the negatives and not enough on commonalities.

Iranian Jews in the 1979-1980 period felt right at home among Muslims of Pakistani cities like Islamabad (Shalom Abad), Lahore, and Karachi. Poor things were kicked out of their ancestral homes in Iran where they had lived for generations. Thanks to the AyaTullahs.

Jewish people also cover their head with a Pakistani (more like Sindhi style) style Topi or the Soofiana topi during their religious ceremonies. Arbi style ghotra probably was rejected for being a demagh choos.

Anyway they loved having Muslims among their family gatherings. It was a true eye opener for me as a Pakistani. We beat the drum of claiming Musa elaihissalaam, but know nothing about Musa es's followers.

MM! Keep up the good work for discovering commonalities with other Deens of Allah. May Allah bless your quest for learning. Ameen.

Mal1k

nomaan

we have some nut cases around ...

Ma Mooli

hmmm, there goes my theory. thanks for clearing that up anyway.

Mad Sc, i realise that greek is similiar, but even then thier alphabet are similiar but not identical like hebrew. but yeah they do seem to be derived from one another.

Antiobl:
Thanks. When you think of Hazrat Musa, you think him as one of our own, (well he is) but you dont associate him jews, despite them being his main followers. However, by jews, i mean them as followers of the religion, not particularly as a race. I know there are iranian jews in iran, and they're quite free to practise thier faith. but thats another story, i'm more interested in the past.

Shalom, yeah thats the main one, also, youm al sabth is the day of sabbath, baith for house, bakara for cattle, gamal for camel, ainun for eye, yadun for hand, prolly find a whole lot more, if i knew arabic. I think modern hebrew is quite different from back then, just like arabic lang. has changed over time.