humhaipakistani

^ so says you.

Here, read up on this:

http://www.zawaj.com/articles/talaq_scales3.html

Ar-Raj’a - Taking back a wife after a divorce
If a man divorces his wife and this is the first or second talaaq, referred to as talaaq raja, and she has not ended her Iddah, then hecan take his wife back by saying: I am taking you back or I am keeping you. Apart from verbalising he is taking her back; the husband may do some action intending thereby to take her back, such as having intercourse with the intention of taking her back. The Sunnah is, taking back the wife should be done in the presence of two just Muslims, according to Quran (At-Talaaq S:52 , V:2 ). If the Iddah has ended following a first or second divorce, there has to be a new marriage contract. In this case he has to propose marriage like any other man, to her guardian and to her. When she and her guardian agree and they agree upon a mahr (dowry), then the marriage contract is completed. This must be done in the presence of two just witnesses. If however, he divorces his wife for a third time, she becomes unlawful to her first husband until she marries a second husband in a genuine marriage, which is consummated. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): The divorce is twice, after that, either you retain her on reasonable terms or release her with kindness& and He also said: And if he has divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she has married another husband.

The last divorce, known amongst Muslim Jurists as Talaaq Baa-in, refers to the third divorce according to the overwhelming majority of the scholars. This is in light of the hadiths from Bukhari and Muslim whereby a woman came to the Prophet (saw) saying: O Messenger of Allah, Rifaaah divorced me thrice, then I was married to Abd al-Rahmaan ibn al-Zubayr al-Qurazi, but he has nothing with him except something like this fringe. The Prophet (saw) said: Perhaps you want to go back to Rifaaah? No, (it is not possible), unless and until you enjoy sexual relations with him (i.e. Abd al-Rahman), and he enjoys the sexual relation with you.

An-Nawawi said: This hadith indicates that the woman who has been divorced by a third talaaq is not permissible to the man who has divorced her until she has been married by another husband, who has intercourse with her then separates from her, and she completes her Iddah. Merely drawing up the marriage contract with her does not make her permissible to the first husband. This is the view of all the scholars among the companions, the taabieen (their direct successors), and those who came after them.

Larki-NY

Can u pls. shed more light on this?

Jazak-Allah Kher

Ma Mooli

That is the most pathetic argument ive heard.

Shias belive in mutah and they have authentic shia and sunni sources (and u know that) to back them up. but that does not automatically mean a) every shia wants to practise it themselves, or b) or that they shuold allow and any aira ghaira to come ask for their daughters hand and that too in that manner.

It is the same priniciple for normal marriage; if u went and asked in the same crude way, you'd prolly would get your head knocked in and a whole lot more. It doesnt work that way. Lets just say; if you are not worthy enough for a proper marriage, then you are definately not worthy enough for this one either.

farikhta

Mut'ah is not permissible according to the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamaah. Yes, mut'ah was however permissible at certain times (specifically twice) by the Prophet salallah aleihi wasallam and the Prophet Salallah aleihi wasallam was the one who abolished it as the hadith in Bukhari shareef narrated by Syedina Ali (ra) saying that Nabi (salallah aleihi wasallam) has forbade Mutaah, he also has in the same hadith said that he has forbidden the eating of wild donkeys.

farikhta

Sheikh Ninowy answers this: http://www.yanabi.com/activeweb.cfm?...73&mode=player

bao bihari

Bhaijan tay bhabhijan

Have'nt this topic been discussed before? there is already an over 12 page thread on this issue, why discuss again .

Go to the link i have provided and read specialy posts of brother iqbal , why argue when we are not going to agree to each other.

Larki-NY

Thank you for that post :clap:

Larki-NY

Iconoclast: Cud u pls. refer any source? Thanks

Larki-NY

Thanks for the info. u provided ^^

Light Bearer

Whoa... will you explain little bit more? is it your personel view? if you "think" it is Islamic view, can you please give some reference.

farikhta

Question? Aug 16, 1998
, I wanted to know the Order in Shariat regarding the Divorce and what conditions are applied if the divorcee wanted to contact back. That is Hallala. Details reply Awaited. Rgds, Shahab

Imam reply:
Dear brother, If husband divorces his wife less then three times he can contact back with his wife without a process of Halalah. In case he divorces her three times he can not contact her back without Halalah. Halalah means that divorcee, after passing her waiting period of divorce (Eddat) should marry with another man. After having sexual intercourse with him, she would be divorced and after passing her waiting period of divorce (Eddat), she can marry with the former husband. Please see Bahare Shriate, a famous book of jurisprudence in Urdu, for further detail.

armughal

ma mooli, how is it that sunnis never practiced muttah and never found any source authentic enuff to validate mut'ah but shiaas find authentic ahadith in sunni books allowing mutah????

armughal

unforunately for u, this halalah thing works only for barelvis but most of the sunnis consider it haraam....

BOY-NICE

It is historical fact that many of the prominent figures among Ahle Sunnah which includes Sahabah, Tabaeen and esteemed scholars not only believed in the ligitimacy of Nikah al-Mutah but they themselves practiced it. (here it may be said that they might have practiced it when Mutah was allowed (according to sunni sources) but i am pointing out those personalities who practiced Mutah even long after the death of Holy Prophet, hence no need to come up with that excuse).

Therefore if only you or some other individuals are unable to find such facts in black and white then you cannot blame others for the same.

farikhta

Barelvis= Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamaah. I'm not from Pakistan. I never knew what Barelvis were till a year or so ago, but I did study under the Shafi'i Fiqh and that's what it also says in the Shafi'i Fiqh.

armughal

since u mention it, bring me the names of those sahabah and tabaeen which practices this act....

and bring them from authentic sources, not some guy u think is sunni while scholars reject his narrations....

BOY-NICE

okayyy , take it then.

among Sahabh, take example of Ibn Abbas [ra] who deemed Mutah Halal:
as stated by him:
عن ابن عباس قال‏:‏ يرحم الله عمر ما كانت المتعة إلا رحمة من الله رحم بها أمة محمد، ولولا نهيه عنها ما احتاج إلى الزنا إلا شقي

Ibn Abbas said:
Mut'ah was blessing of Allah upon the Ummah of Muhammad and had Umar not prohibited it the only person to fornicate would be a wretched person
Online Tafsir Dur e Manthur , Surah Nisa verse 24
Online Ahkam al Quran al Jasas, Surah Nisa, Chapter: Mutah

Ibn Katheer's in his Tafseer, Surah an-Nisa, Page 3 under the verse 4:24 said:

"Ibn Abbas an other Sahaba said that Mut'ah can be utilised when needed, Ibn Hanbal also narrated the same".
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Surah an-Nisa, Page 3

Take another example of hero of Nawasib Muawwiyah: We read in "Fathul Bari Shrah Sahih Bukhari" by Imam of Ahle-Sunnah Hafiz Ibn Hajar Asqalani (Volume 9 pages143-144):

"Mu'awiya contracted Mut'ah with a woman from Taif and this narration carries a sahih chain.
When Mu'awiya arrived in Taif, he performed Mut'ah with an unnamed slave belonging to Banu Hazrmee called Ma'ana, Jabir states that remained alive throughout Mu'awiya's reign, and he gave her yearly stipends every year".

Online Fath al Bari

To be brief , let us directly see the list of sahabs who deemed Nikah al-Mutah to be Halal. Ibn Hajar Asqalani recorded:

According to Ibn Hazm, this group of Sahaba deemed Mut'ah to be halaal, ibn Masud, Mu'awiya , Abu Saeed, Ibn Abbas, Salma and Ma'bad the son of Umayyah bin Khalaf , Umro bin Hurayth ..”
Fath al Bari Sharah Sahih Bukhari, Vol 9 Kitab al Nikah

From Tabayeen:

lets take example of Saeed bin Jubayr. First let us read about his esteemed status in the madhab of Ahle Sunnah:
Ibn Hajar Asqalani about him.
“….He narrated hadiths from Ibn Abbas, Ibn Al-Zubair, Ibn Umar, Ibn Maqal, Uday Ibn Hatem, Abi Masood Al-Ansay, Abi Saeed Al-Khudari, Abu Hurayra, Abu Musa Al-Asha'ari, Al-Dahak Ibn Qais Al-Fehri, Anas, Amro Ibn Maymoon, Abi Abdulrahman Al-Sulami and lady Aysha….. Ibn Abi Mughera said that when people of Kufa visit used to Ibn Abbas to ask him for Fatwa, he used to say them: “Isn't Saeed Ibn Jubayr among you?”.... Amro Ibn Maymoon said that his father said that Saeed Ibn Jubayr passed away and every one on the earth attained his knowledge… Abu Al-Qasem Al-Tabari said: “He is a reliable Imam and hujah on Muslims”…..Ibn Haban Said: “He was jurist, worshiper, righteous and pious”.”
Tahdeeb al Tahdeeb, by Ibn Hajr Asaqlani Volume 4 No. 14

About the validity of Nikah al-Mutah deemd by Saeed bin Jubair we read:

Ibn Hazm said, those that deemed Mut'ah halaal after Rasulullah(s) and remained firm in this position, included Ibn Masud, Mu'awiya, Abu Saeed, Salma wa Majid, Umayya's son, Jabeer and Umar bin Harith, Jabir cited the practise of Mut'ah by the Sahaba during the reign of Abu Bakr and Umar, amongst the Tabieen the jurists of Makkah and Taus and Saeed bin Jabayr and Ata deemed Mut'ah halaal. Those Tabieen that Ibn Hazm quoted on the lawfulness of Mut'ah, carried a Sahih chain, according to Abdul Razzaq
Fathul Bari Shrah Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9 p. 74 Dhikr Mut'ah

If this is not suffice then let us read clear cut narration:

"A beautiful Iraqi women resided in Makka, Saeed bin Jabeer Jubayr intended on visiting her, I asked why he spend so much time with the women, he said 'he had performed Nikah Mut'ah with the women, and that Nikah Mut'ah was more Halal than drinking water"
Online Musnaf Abdur Razzaq, Kitab al Talaq, Bab al Mutah, Hadith 14020

Cutting long story short, let see list of tabayeens as cited by Qadhi Thanaullah Panee Pathee in his Tafseer Mazhari, Volume 3, Page 19
"Ibn Hajr Asqalani cites those Tabieen that gave Fatwas on Mut'ah being halaal, they were Ibn Jurayj, Tawoos, 'Ataa', the students of Ibn Abbas, Sa'eed bin Jubair and the Fuqaha of Makka."
Tafseer Mazhari, Volume 3, Page 19

Larki-NY

Precisely!

Larki-NY

Well, the very first part of your quotation, had been quoted (exact same words) as a saying by Hazrat Ali (RA) by Anjjan in the start of this thread quoting about 8 references from Sunni books. So how many times are you guys going to reproduce same word to word as said by so and so and so.

Can any sane person tell me, how on earth, a Sunni Reference book will quote a great (scholar/leader/Imam) like Hazrat Ali (RA) bad mouthing another Khalifa, i.e. Hazrat Umar (RA). What is more interesting, all thes quotes by my guppie brothers say "RA" in front of Hazrat Ali but not in front of Hazrat Umar. Doesn't it reflect their deep personal bias against Hazrat Umar (RA), and wud a Sunni book be reflecting that?

People pls. stop spreading hatred in the name of sects and misquoting, esp. about the greatest personalities like Hazrat Ali (RA) and Hazrat Umar (RA). I am not asking you to agree what the other person is saying, since it might be against your sect's beliefs. I beg you in the name of Allah, "If you are a true Muslim, stop spreading hatred". May Allah guide us all, ameen.

BOY-NICE

first of all your post had nothing to do with the topic (atleast directly). Therefore it will be good to stay on the topic as time of everyone here is precious.

Secondly, dont tell me that the books cited are not Sunni books If you havent done your homework then you have no right to blame others. If you have any precise objection to the sources or wordings cited then please put forward else your personal "conjectures" and "assumptions" like "how can such thing be in a sunni book" is nothing but a waste of time of everyone here. And if you think that such wordings cannever be present in sunni books then please pull some time and read what the tradition #4349 of Sahih Muslim have to say about the views held by those companions for eachother. Or may i expect you to come up with a news that Sahih Muslim is no more a Sunni book!

Larki-NY

BTW, I also found it so ......... (I don't want to say smth that Allah may not like). this post mentioned name of some Sahabi who made a temp. nikah with a slave and then kept paying her yearly stipend throughout his regime ......

so the worth of a woman is that you can take gifts or pay yearly stipend (is it a fee for her services) and can do that woman legally? cuz if you do a woman without any legal basis of the realtionship, but you do pay her for the services, isn't it called, prostitution? So u can go ahead sign a paper and keep a paid one in your own house for as long as you desire (or for the duration in that contract).

May Allah forgive me for saying smth that may be wrong, but this whole concept as explained here, I find it so insulting and degrading to women. I wonder how many women (Shi'a or Sunni) would be willing to take such a role i.e. paid for ur "services" for a temp. period of time?? I better stay out of this thread, making me feel so cheap being a woman Is that all we are worth?

BOY-NICE

again you havent done your homework! You should remember or may i say 'let me inform you' that there is thing in Islam which is known as "dowry" which is a certain amount decided before marriage and then man has to give it to her wife. Now if that amount is huge then he may give it to her in parts (whatever is decided between the two).

For example, we read in Holy Quran:

[Yusufali 33:50] O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers

[btw Quran is Holy book for all Muslims, in case if you dont know ]

But since use of money in this way in marriage same as prostitution to you, then i dont know what appraoch to adopt here to make you realise to have some study on these issues.

Btw, just a small gift for you. See what Sahabah used to give as dowry for performing Nikah a-Mutah:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (dates or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3249, Bab ul Nikah

Larki-NY

Brother, I know the concept of "Dowry" and "Mahr" very well. You were referring to gifts and stipend. Totally different.

P.S. you can state ur point, in fact may make better impact, without being sarcastic and attacking the person. That doesn't promote a healthy discussion.

Jazak-Allah

BOY-NICE