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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I found this website on the Islamic way of performing funerals...

http://muttaqun.com/funerals.html

can anyone confirm that its authentic?

there are some parts that I dont understand/dont get...for example:

Recitation of Qur'aan - There is no basis for the recitation of Qur'aan in the graveyard. Neither the Faatihah (first chapter) nor any other chapter of the Qur'aan should be read near the graves

also during the funerals of one of my uncles on the weekend...they were doing zikr and reading naatein at his grave after the burial....one of the imans said this was wrong and got upset and left....






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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 12:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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11 views and no response??? anyone?






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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 01:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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actually that is true. It is supposedly a bida'h. Besides, think logically, what good can your recitation of Quran do the dead person? And I have seriously never understood the point of naa't either. Once you are dead, the book of your deeds is closed, khalas. The only thing that is going to benefit you after your death is any sadqa-e-jaariya, or virtuous offspring. Nothing else. Besides all the things that you mentioned, that are usually done on funerals and 'khatam', are nothing but bida'h.

Am not sure about the faatiha though.







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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 01:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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thanks silver falcon for ur response...what exactly is bida'h?






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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 01:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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So when I visit my mums grave, I cant pray for her?

I don't get it. Please explain with evidence. ThankYou.






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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 01:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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what? i don't understand...you're not supposed to read fatihah when in the graveyard? then what are you supposed to do? nothing?






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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 01:57 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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i dont get it either....most of the stuff from this website had sources from hadith and quran...but not this part....so im wondering if this website is actually reliable?






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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 06:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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^ muttaqun mostly takes stuff that is already available on other sites...The site produces authentic material.
You can pray for your mother when you visit just there is no evidence of specifically reciting Al fatiha and expecting reward for the dead from it..
you can pray from sunnah and make dua of Istaghfar for the dead muslim.

As to proof for saying something is not from sunnah is not required rather proof is required to prove that it is from sunnah.







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Old Nov 7th, 2006, 10:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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So when I visit my mums grave, I cant pray for her?

I don't get it. Please explain with evidence. ThankYou.
why not....
do pray for her, not only when u visit her grave, but also otherwise....

but dont recite Quran at her grave or read na'at....







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Old Nov 8th, 2006, 08:15 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I found this website on the Islamic way of performing funerals...

http://muttaqun.com/funerals.html

can anyone confirm that its authentic?

there are some parts that I dont understand/dont get...for example:

Recitation of Qur'aan - There is no basis for the recitation of Qur'aan in the graveyard. Neither the Faatihah (first chapter) nor any other chapter of the Qur'aan should be read near the graves

also during the funerals of one of my uncles on the weekend...they were doing zikr and reading naatein at his grave after the burial....one of the imans said this was wrong and got upset and left....
It is solely depend upon the fiqah and maslak you follow in Wahbi/Salafi sect everything is Bidat (Fateha, recitation of Quran for a departed soul) however in Ahel e Sunnat o Jamat Fateha, recitation of Quran and Qul / Naat are allowed.You need to find out which Fiqah do you or your family follow then perform your wajibat and Sunnah Akhkam accordingly.

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It is solely depend upon the fiqah and maslak you follow in Wahbi/Salafi sect everything is Bidat (Fateha, recitation of Quran for a departed soul) however in Ahel e Sunnat o Jamat Fateha, recitation of Quran and Qul / Naat are allowed.You need to find out which Fiqah do you or your family follow then perform your wajibat and Sunnah Akhkam accordingly.

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Can you tell me who come under Ahle Sunnah wal jamaat. Befor passing even such judgements fear Allaah and provide references with authenticity. Passing judgements koi bhi kar sakta hain, but we need authenticity. I am waiting for your answer as an Ignorant Muslim.
1) Who are Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamah and which sects fall under this.
2) References please.






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why not....
do pray for her, not only when u visit her grave, but also otherwise....

but dont recite Quran at her grave or read na'at....

Have never done that anyway. But can you possible tell me why not to recite Quran as I know my daddi recites the Surat Yaseen when she visits.

Thanks.






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Old Nov 8th, 2006, 11:08 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Have never done that anyway. But can you possible tell me why not to recite Quran as I know my daddi recites the Surat Yaseen when she visits.

Thanks.
because there is no evidence of it from sunnah....






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Old Nov 8th, 2006, 11:09 AM   #14 (permalink)
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It is solely depend upon the fiqah and maslak you follow in Wahbi/Salafi sect everything is Bidat (Fateha, recitation of Quran for a departed soul) however in Ahel e Sunnat o Jamat Fateha, recitation of Quran and Qul / Naat are allowed.You need to find out which Fiqah do you or your family follow then perform your wajibat and Sunnah Akhkam accordingly.

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i assume u r hanafi, let us see u bring forward imam abu hanifa's fatwa on the issue....






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Old Nov 8th, 2006, 02:52 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Isaal-e-Sawaab (to perform a virtuous act and grant the reward to any
person, alive or deceased) is permissible. On numerous occasions, Nabi
(Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) advised the Sahaaba (Radhiyallaahu Anhum) to
give charity on behalf of the deceased.

One specific incident is of Hadhrat Abu Talha (Radhiallaahy Anhu) when the
Aayat, 'You cannot attain virtue until your spend what is beloved to you.'
(Nisaa 4). Abu Talha gave his most valuable well and garden, Bi'r Haa as
charity on behalf of his deceased mother. In fact, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu
Alayhi Wasallam) slaughtered 100 sheep during his farewell Hajj and made
intention for himself and all those (alive, deceased and to come) who bring
faith on his prophethood. (Nasbur Raaya, Allama Zailee). One may recite the
Qur'aan, or any Dhikr or Du'aa and make intention of giving the reward to
the deceased.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best






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Old Nov 8th, 2006, 04:17 PM   #16 (permalink)
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^ The hadeeth about Abu Talhaa giving Bir-haa as reported in Sahih Muslim is actually:
And according to Anas, May Allah be Pleased with Him, Abu Talha was the richest Ansari person near the Madina. And the property he cherished most was "Bir Ha’e" (a palm tree orchard near the Prophet's Mosque). When the verse : was revealed, Abu Talha went to the Apostle of Allah PBUH and said:"Allah Most High says in His Book:" : "Ye will not attain unto piety until ye spend of that which ye love", and the most cherished property I have is Bir Ha’e. I am giving it as charity, wishing goodness and preservation; thus, O apostle of Allah, use it the way you want."

And in some narrations Prophet SAW said, "Abu Talhaa give it to you family (kin) -"
It does not mention anything about giving to his dead mother.
Also,the slaughtering of the 100 sheep for the ummah, please provide source from authentic six books please JAK.






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