Dr. Naik is very complete and blunt in his naration of facts.
Muslims all over the world can do-think-practice what ever they wish as long as the focal point remains the "love for Phrophet Mohammad-PBUH" and "Allah subhan-ul-talah" as the one-and-only supreme power of our (including Mohammad-PBUH) being.
I believe Dr. Naik is absolutly right no matter what the 'perhay-likhay-jahil' say
wala-e-alam
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ohhh ok so u also saying that our beloved Prophet SAW is DEAD?
in that case give me ref from Quran or hadeeth where its mentioned that Muhammad SAW is DEAD......
thank u
First of all, Dr. Zakir Naik is a strict Salafi/Wahabi (the movement that claims to follow the Pious predecessors, in reality they do not!), Majority agree that Dr. Zakir Naik is NOT a scholar. No doubt he's an expert in comparitive religion but he should NOT be looked upon as a scholar who can answer your questions regarding Aqidah and other fields!! So just take the good and leave the doubtful (for that go to trusted scholars)
What he (Zakir) said about mazar and grave worshipping is correct, one should not go to a mazar and worship! He should just avoid these places because they lead to SHIRK!
Regarding building atop of graves is a matter that scholars have dealt with and have difference of opinion and we leave it to them. But our job is to not attend the mazaars and places where acts of shirk take place regularly..
Dr. Zakir Naik's position on tawassul(wasila) is typical of Salafis in that they say nobody can intercede for us..!! Ofcourse the chosen ones (pious ones) can intercede for us if Allah wants them to!
Also please read the following for understanding if the Prophets are alive or not.
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In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
"Muhammad is a man, but not like men;
He is an emerald, and others mere stone."
The belief (Aqidah) of the mainstream Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama'ah is that our beloved Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and all the other Prophets are alive in their graves.
This life is physical and worldly (dunyawiyyah), and not just a spiritual one with the soul (barzakhiyyah), as the latter is common for all the people. They are usually involved in performing prayer and worshiping Allah (out of their own free choice without it being obligatory on them), and we can normally not see or feel them.
This is the Aqidah held by the Sunni Muslims throughout the ages, and many books in Arabic have been written on this subject. The great Imam Suyuti (Allah have mercy on him) compiled a whole work on this subject titled 'Inba al-Azkiya bi Hayat al-Anbiya' (Informing the intelligent regarding the living of the Prophets), in which he quoted many evidences in support of this belief. Similarly, other scholars such as: Imam al-Bayhaqi, Imam Abdul Wahhab al-Sha'rani and Imam Ibn al-Qayyim in his book 'al-Ruh' (The Soul) have also written and gathered evidences with regards to this.
Evidences on the prophets remaining alive in their graves:
There are many evidences in the Qur'an, Hadith and sayings of the predecessors regarding the prophets remaining alive after death. Some are reproduced here:
1) Allah Most High says:
"And Question thou our Messengers whom we sent before you. Did we appoint any deities other that Allah, Most gracious, to be worshiped"? (Surah al-Zukhruf, 45).
Many commentators have stated in their respective exegeses of the Holy Qur'an that the living of the Prophets can be proved from this verse (See: Durr al-Manthur of Suyuti, Ruh al-Ma'ani by al-Alusi and others).
2) Allah Most High says:
"And say not of those who are slain (martyred) in the way of Allah, "they are dead", nay, they are living, though you perceive it not" (Surah al-Baqarah, 154).
Regarding this verse, the great Hadith expert (hafidh), Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) states in his monumental commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, 'Fath al-Bari':
"When the living of the martyrs is proven from the text of the Qur'an, then this is also proven from a analogical point of view. And the Prophets are superior then the martyrs" (Fath al-Bari, 6/379).
3) Sayyiduna Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) narrates:
"On the night of Isra, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) passed by the grave of Sayyiduna Musa (Allah bless him), and found him praying in his grave" (Recorded by Imam Muslim in his Sahih, and others).
4) Anas ibn Malik narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wsallam) said:
"The Prophets are alive in their graves performing Salat" (Recorded by al-Bayhaqi in his 'Hayat al-Anbiya' and Abu Ya'la in his Musnad).
The above Hadith has been authenticated by many Hadith scholars, such as: Ibn Hajar, al-Haythami, Ali al-Qari, al-Munawi, al-Shawkani and others.
5) Aws ibn Aws narrates the Messenger of Allah as saying:
"Send salutations in abundance on me on Friday, as your sending salutations are presented to me. The Companions inquired: "How is it possible that you receive our salutations when your body will have been decayed? The Messenger of Allah said: "Verily Allah has made forbidden on the earth that it eats the body of the Prophets" (Recorded by Abu Dawud, Nasa'i, Ibn Majah, Darami and others, and authenticated by many, such as Ibn al-Qayyim).
6) Abu Hurairah (Allah be pleased with him) Narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Peace and blessing be upon him) said:
"None of you greets me except that Allah returns my soul on me until I return his greeting" (Musnad Ahmad, 2/527 and Abu Dawud, 1/279).
7) Anas ibn Malik narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:
"The Prophets are not kept in their graves for more then forty nights, but they remain worshiping Allah until the trumpet will be blown" (Sunan al-Bayhaqi).
Due to the fact that there are many narrations regarding this (of which we have only reproduced a few, as an example), Imam Suyuti is of the view that these narrations have reached the level of certainty (tawatur).
8) The great Hadith Imam, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani states:
"Death will never come to the Blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in his grave, but he will remain alive, due to the fact that the Prophets remain alive in their graves" (Fath al-Bari, 17/22).
9) Imam al-Subki states:
"It is from our beliefs that the Prophets are alive in their graves". (Tabqat al-Shafi'iyya al-Kubra, 6/266).
10) The great Hanafi jurist, Ibn Abidin says:
"The Prophets are alive in their graves, as proven from the Hadith" (Rasa'il of Ibn Abidin, 2/203).
11) Imam al-Shawkani (whom the Salafis normally refer to) states:
"The Prophet (Peace and blessing be upon him) is alive in his grave, as has been established in the Hadith "The Prophets are alive in their graves". (See: Nayl al-Awtar, 5/101).
12) Also, one of the major incidents that prove this, is the incident of Me'raj (Ascension of the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) to the heavens), where he met and conversed with many Prophets. He also led them in
prayer in Masjid al-Aqsa.
The above evidences from the Qur'an, Hadith and the sayings of the predecessors are sufficient to prove the fact that the Prophets remain alive in their graves after they pass away from this world. There are many other evidences which we have not mentioned here, due to the fear of prolonging
our discussion.
This is the reason why this Aqidah has been held by the mainstream Sunni scholars throughout the eras. It is only recently that some people have objected to this view.
For more details on this subject, one may refer to Imam Suyuti's 'al-Inba' and Imam al-Bayhaqi's 'Hayat al-Anbiya'.
May Allah guide us all to the straight path (Ameen).
And Allah knows best
Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam, UK
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ohhh ok so u also saying that our beloved Prophet SAW is DEAD?
in that case give me ref from Quran or hadeeth where its mentioned that Muhammad SAW is DEAD......
thank u
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Out of Devine love for Prophet Mohammad PBUH, you may believe he is not dead. Like a mother who refuses to accepts her sons death and claims she speaks to him or sees him every day. Theres nothing wrong with this as long as Prophit or Messanger Nabi PBUThem is not violated to the threshold of putting a Nabi to the level of GOD is GRAND SHIRQ which is inexcusable by Allah swt.
Quran neither refers or talks about significant deaths of Prophits or Messangers, becasue it so irrelevant to the message of GOD to the mankind
^ Define to your self What is Hadeeth refer to as, and by whom ?
^ What is sunna and are sunna mentioned in Quran ?
^ Do not expect Quran to answer all your insecurities and self made beliefs. Some time is safer to not indulge in such sensitive issues, where reasoning has no chapters.
Jazak Allah cricketplayer bhai, im a sunni n i know its wrong to go worship graves im not questiong anything its just the fact that he said our Prophet SAW is dead that bothered me but thanks for ur explanation much appreciated
raindance-i didnt put a Nabi to the level of Allah SWT, so dnt understand a word ur saying but do carry on
May Allah SWT guide us all on the right path.Ameen
First of all, Dr. Zakir Naik is a strict Salafi/Wahabi (the movement that claims to follow the Pious predecessors, in reality they do not!), Majority agree that Dr. Zakir Naik is NOT a scholar. No doubt he's an expert in comparitive religion but he should NOT be looked upon as a scholar who can answer your questions regarding Aqidah and other fields!! So just take the good and leave the doubtful (for that go to trusted scholars)
What he (Zakir) said about mazar and grave worshipping is correct, one should not go to a mazar and worship! He should just avoid these places because they lead to SHIRK!
Regarding building atop of graves is a matter that scholars have dealt with and have difference of opinion and we leave it to them. But our job is to not attend the mazaars and places where acts of shirk take place regularly..
Dr. Zakir Naik's position on tawassul(wasila) is typical of Salafis in that they say nobody can intercede for us..!! Ofcourse the chosen ones (pious ones) can intercede for us if Allah wants them to!
Also please read the following for understanding if the Prophets are alive or not.
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With due respect to your hard research ^ I do not accept their (scholars of the history)^ beliefs and my heart tells me that Allah subhan-ul-tala did not creat a lophole in his 5 books of message ending with Grand QURAN to have not mention ONCE about the death of mesangers or prophits and the significants of their deaths.
Including Prophit IBRAHIM swt who's grand SACRAFICE has been elaborated to a great extent in QURAN so much so that his Grand sacrafice has been ordered by ALLAH swt to be embered till the end day by all muslims. Not his (Ibrahim's) death.
Prophit Mohammad PBUH addressed the issue of his departure (his death) in his OWN WORDS while delivering his last Khutba from mount arafa.
Which was not significant as compare to his MOST VITAL AND FINAL INSTRUTIONS HE LEFT FOR HIS UMMA TO FOLLOW SO THEY DON"T GO STRAY,,,,,unfortunatly today we see not even 10% of compliance of what he (PBUH) said that day in Arafa.
Our Love alone for Mohammad PBUH is not enough. More understanding is needed and less and less Khateebs-Scholars and Imams of the ancient history archives be qouted from history (because this will take centuries to authenticate their research or pretext) to avoid further confusion of our straight forward, simple yet comprehensive religion ISlam
Last edited by Raindance; Oct 8th, 2008 at 06:00 AM.
ohhh ok so u also saying that our beloved Prophet SAW is DEAD?
in that case give me ref from Quran or hadeeth where its mentioned that Muhammad SAW is DEAD......
thank u
There is some explaination required.
The word Dead is inappropriate to use for man or women who is no longer among us. Although it is widely used and its not entirely wrong to use it either... just few sensivities involved. almost like using word God For Allah
here is my understanding :
The english word dead is not suitable and it does not describe the phenomina of death of a person as per islamic point of view. The most aptly descriptive word for death is an urdu word "in-te-qaal" When someone dies we say 'Falaan sahab ka Inteqaal ho ga gaya hai" inteqaal means transfer
And it describes the phenomena of death in islam perfectly. Islamically, A person is a combination of body and soul. Death is for body, soul just transfer from this body to another world, and then it lives in this world (Barzakh) for unknown time period and then on the day of judgment itwill be joined with the same body as told in quran.
So calling a person dead, does not describes the state of person completely.
Better we should say
the person is no more with us.
It would better to say Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) passed away
Ik fursat-e-gunah mili wo bhi chaar din
dekhey hian hum ney hosley, parwardigar ke !
sadly after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saw), some so-called muslims have done with him what some previous nations did with their prophets i.e. given him a status of divinity, and hence they cannot digest the fact that he (saw) was a mortal human being....
maybe they shud too try to understand what Abu Bakr (ra) tried to tell the muslims at the time when the Prophet (saw) departed from this world:
"if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die."
ar-ok thnks for ur input but can u back up with a reference plz
im no expert in religion so anyone with greater knowledge do correct me if im wrong
and the rest well Allah SWT knows best
sadly after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saw), some so-called muslims have done with him what some previous nations did with their prophets i.e. given him a status of divinity, and hence they cannot digest the fact that he (saw) was a mortal human being....
maybe they shud too try to understand what Abu Bakr (ra) tried to tell the muslims at the time when the Prophet (saw) departed from this world:
"if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die."
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetu
ar-ok thnks for ur input but can u back up with a reference plz
im no expert in religion so anyone with greater knowledge do correct me if im wrong
and the rest well Allah SWT knows best
Surah Al-E-Imran .. Ayat no 144
YUSUFALI: Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
PICKTHAL: Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.
SHAKIR: And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels!s, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful.
Adieu! I have too grieved a heart to take a tedious leave...
ar-ok thnks for ur input but can u back up with a reference plz
im no expert in religion so anyone with greater knowledge do correct me if im wrong
and the rest well Allah SWT knows best
Abu Bakr came from his house at As-Sunh on a horse. He dismounted and entered the mosque, but did not speak to the people till he entered upon 'Aisha and went straight to Allah's Apostle who was covered with Hibra cloth (i.e. a kind of Yemenite cloth). He then uncovered the Prophet's face and bowed over him and kissed him and wept, saying, "Let my father and mother be sacrificed for you. By Allah, Allah will never cause you to die twice. As for the death which was written for you, has come upon you."
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Abu Bakr went out while Umar bin Al-Khattab was talking to the people. Abu Bakr said, "Sit down, O 'Umar!" But 'Umar refused to sit down. So the people came to Abu Bakr and left Umar. Abu Bakr said, "To proceed, if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die. Allah said: 'Muhammad is no more than an Apostle, and indeed (many) apostles have passed away before him..(till the end of the Verse )......Allah will reward to those who are thankful.' " (3.144) By Allah, it was as if the people never knew that Allah had revealed this Verse before till Abu Bakr recited it and all the people received it from him, and I heard everybody reciting it (then).
Narrated Az-Zuhri: Said bin Al-Musaiyab told me that 'Umar said, "By Allah, when I heard Abu Bakr reciting it, my legs could not support me and I fell down at the very moment of hearing him reciting it, declaring that the Prophet had died."
I am a man with a plan. A plan to live a simple , fulfilling life.
Barelvi, Sufi and Shia are attacking Dr.Zakir Naik because of his Salafi believe and statement about Yazid and Prophet MUhammad (S.A.W).
Even though I don't agree with him becasue of his Salafi believe. I still think of him as Knowledgeable person about Islam and Hinduism, and because of his efforts many Hindus have converted to Islam and educated many Hindus about Islam in India.
“Democracy will have no meaning, so-called independent judiciary will be only moonshine without the abolition of feudal system, hence, it was imperative to abolish the feudal system which has ruined this country and country men”
Muhammad is no more than an Apostle: many were the Apostles that passed away before him. If he died or were slain will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve him) with gratitude.
(Qur'an 3:144)
Please pay attention to the following ayahs of the holy Quran:
The first one was address to the Prophet (saw)
Truly thou wilt die (one day), and truly they (too) will die (one day)." Surah Al Zumar (39:30)
Here every soul shall face death except Allah (swt) Almighty
"Every soul shall have taste of death; In the end to us shall ye be brought back (Surah Al-'Ankabut The Spider 29:57)
Refer to Hadith posted by Mirch
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Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 5 , Book 59 Hadees number 733 Narrated byAisha
Abu Bakr came from his house at As-Sunh on a horse. He dismounted and entered the mosque, but did not speak to the people till he entered upon 'Aisha and went straight to Allah's Apostle who was covered with Hibra cloth (i.e. a kind of Yemenite cloth). He then uncovered the Prophet's face and bowed over him and kissed him and wept, saying, "Let my father and mother be sacrificed for you. By Allah, Allah will never cause you to die twice. As for the death which was written for you, has come upon you."
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Abu Bakr went out while Umar bin Al-Khattab was talking to the people. Abu Bakr said, "Sit down, O 'Umar!" But 'Umar refused to sit down. So the people came to Abu Bakr and left Umar. Abu Bakr said, "To proceed, if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die.
Allah said: 'Muhammad is no more than an Apostle, and indeed (many) apostles have passed away before him..(till the end of the Verse )......Allah will reward to those who are thankful.' " (3.144) By Allah, it was as if the people never knew that Allah had revealed this Verse before till Abu Bakr recited it and all the people received it from him, and I heard everybody reciting it (then).
Narrated Az-Zuhri: Said bin Al-Musaiyab told me that 'Umar said, "By Allah, when I heard Abu Bakr reciting it, my legs could not support me and I fell down at the very moment of hearing him reciting it, declaring that the Prophet had died."
What you have stated is true that the bodies of the Prophets (Peace and Allah's blessings be upon them all) and Shaheeds are alive and protected.
That is ilmul ghayab. Prophet (saw) status is in the highest heaven and is alive.
His purest body was given Ghusal by Hz. Ali (ra) and close male relatives. His body was wrapped in coffin and after janaza prayers he was buried in the grave.
This is done to all those who have tasted death decreed for them.
Truly thou wilt die (one day), and truly they (too) will die (one day)." Surah Al Zumar (39:30)
"Every soul shall have taste of death; In the end to us shall ye be brought back (Surah Al-'Ankabut The Spider 29:57)
Last edited by Ibn Sadique; Oct 8th, 2008 at 01:38 PM.
so the prophets are alive in their grave and accept what is happening around the world? is that right? They are breathing in their grave, is that right or did I get something wrong?
brother AQ