Ghazwa-e-hind - When Pakistan will conquer india - Page 2

aqeel123 · Jan 28th, 2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by burqaposhx

Peace brother.

These are incorrect assumptions on the basis of Quran. In Sura Baqra, Allah clearly says that no Messenger is better than the other.

We have to believe in all the books, all the angels and all the messengers. We cannot say my messenger is better than the others (Wala nuffariqu baina ahadihim). Read 2:285 and 2:286 to understand the true concept.

Meri jaan next time u quote some ayya plz go a step further and add the ayyat too.

Now u said there isnt a difference between Prophets a.s , Then how come there are 124000 peghambers and only out of them only 313 Nabi's ? if they r all same all shld be Nabis..... Out of those 313 only 5 are Ulil Azam Peghambers coz they r better than rest... out of those 5 only 4 were sent a holy book ? and out of those 4 only one is Khatim-un-nabiyeen, Rehmat-ul-lil alameen. was ALLAH just beeing random ? ( hey angles do a lucky draw... We got to pick who gets Bible..... and in next lucky draw winner will be the Prophet of bani Israel...)

On day of judgment all ummats will be under theire Prophets and all Prophets will be under Mohammed s.a.w. is ALLAH Aadil ? if all of them r same then y so much for Mohammed ?

When Musa came to see ALLAH on Koh-e-toor ALLAH told him to take his Shoes off and When Prophet s.a.w went to Miraaaaj ( not koh-e-toor ) ALLAH told him to come along with his Na-lain ??? either there is a difference between two ! or either u r callin ALLAH unjust for treating them differently !

Prophets didnt tell that on Jan 28 2008 we will be discussing this stuff on Gupshup forums doesnt mean they didnt know ! was there a case ever ! when Prophet s.a.w asked anything from past, present or future and he S.a.w said i dunt have knowledge of future or past ?

burqaposhx · Jan 28th, 2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by aqeel123

Meri jaan next time u quote some ayya plz go a step further and add the ayyat too.

Now u said there isnt a difference between Prophets a.s , Then how come there are 124000 peghambers and only out of them only 313 Nabi's ? if they r all same all shld be Nabis..... Out of those 313 only 5 are Ulil Azam Peghambers coz they r better than rest... out of those 5 only 4 were sent a holy book ? and out of those 4 only one is Khatim-un-nabiyeen, Rehmat-ul-lil alameen. was ALLAH just beeing random ?..

Quran uses the term "Rusool" or Messenger and that's it. We should not go beyond and sub-classify them as prophet vs. peghamber vs. Nabi.

Having a book or being last doesn't make one Rasool "superior" to other. All of the Rasools brought the same message about Allah. There was no difference between the message, book or no book; First or last or middle; shoe or no shoe; No difference.

Every Rasool was given the same task, and that's why mery jaan we should not do what Allah has asked as not to do i.e. make one rasool better than the other.

p.s. The aya numbers are provided and it is pretty straight forward to go look at the Quran.

Moonshiner · Jan 28th, 2009, 11:06 AM

Muhammad sounds like a pretty weak tribal according to burqa.

aqeel123 · Jan 28th, 2009, 11:14 AM

002.085 Yet ye it is who slay each other and drive out a party of your people from their homes, supporting one another against them by sin and transgression ? - and if they came to you as captives ye would ransom them, whereas their expulsion was itself unlawful for you - Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof ? And what is the reward of those who do so save ignominy in the life of the world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom. For Allah is not unaware of what ye do.

002.086 Such are those who buy the life of the world at the price of the Hereafter. Their punishment will not be lightened, neither will they have support.

Okay Bro i dunno which part of thesee ayyats were you talkin about !.... i think the bold part ... ANyway its not helping ! can u highlight the part and explain your point to me

burqaposhx · Jan 28th, 2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aqeel123

002.085 Yet ye it is who ....

bro! It is 2:285 and not 2:085.

It starts as: Aman-ur-Rasoolo-bima-unzila......

then it says: Kullun Amana billah hai, wa malaikatateh, wa kutubehi, wa rusulihi,

then it says "La-nufarriqu baina ahadiminRusulehi.

You can read the full aya

Multilingual Quran

Kaka MaNNa · Jan 28th, 2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirch

Let us worry about the present. If Zahid Hamid is such a psychic why does he not use those powers to stop what is going on in Ghaza at this present moment ?
Wake up people and use your senses Allah has given you a beautiful mind use it. Stop all that hate mongering and live in the present.

Its ZAID HAMID, not Zahid.

Who said he is a psychic?

How did you come up with the notion that he is a psychic?

Do you even know what psychic does/means?

Who is hate mongering? Zaid Hamid or Hinduvta terrorists? I guess we should all hold hands and sing chalte chalte while hinduvta plan on invading Pakistan, raping our sisters and mothers and burn babies, pregnant women and elderly ALIVE like they do in India. You should go join Asma Jahangir and her hindu a$$ licking cult.

As far as these hadith are concerned, I've read about them back in 1999/2000 and some people suggest that they maybe "daeef" hadiths (weak in hadith terminology).

clear cut · Jun 28th, 2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by burqaposhx

Peace brother.

These are incorrect assumptions on the basis of Quran. In Sura Baqra, Allah clearly says that no Messenger is better than the other.

We have to believe in all the books, all the angels and all the messengers. We cannot say my messenger is better than the others (Wala nuffariqu baina ahadihim). Read 2:285 and 2:286 to understand the true concept.

my friend you have misunderstood the verses. i mean 2:285,286. go to quranurdu.com and listen to abu al alah moududi's tafseer in their audio section. Allah is not equalizing the prophets. Allah is just saying that the believers do not defferenciate between Rasools in their believe (something like that). means they believe in every Rasool that Allah has sent.

please do not try to understand Quran by the translation. Arabs knew arabic but ALLAH still sent his beloved prophet(PBUH) to them so that he could teach them what was actually meant by the book. so who are we, we don't know the arabic even. always read a tafseer that is written by a known scholar. i try to understand Quran through Abu al alah moududi's tafseer. he is amazing. he mensions all of the schools of thought and then give the arguments in order to make us understand what certain verses mean.

friend i am worried about you, ( forgive me if i am wrong but) it looks like that you do not trust Muhammad (PBUH) that much. he is selected by Allah to become a religious teacher for the humanity until the day of judgement. Allah himself gives shahada that the Prophet (PBUH) is innocent and doesn't say anything but what he is given by Allah.

we have to understand prophet(PBUH) in order to understand Quran and the religion as whole. for example Quran asks us to perform salah but doesn't define how, where, when etc. the last prophet (PBUH) tells us how to say salah etc. it is not that Quran is missing something but it is the way Allah decided to send the whole religion to us. I love Allah , I love Muhammad (PBUH), I love all the prophets before Muhammad(PBUH).
as long as zaid hamid is concerned, his love for the religion and for the nation is reflected through his behavior. he has rejected voilence in Islam numerous times but ofcourse every nation has right to defend itself and in order to do that we have to have capability(weapon, strong army etc.) and all that doesn't work unless you do not have a true believe in your religion and ideology. may Allah bless him.

queer · Jun 28th, 2009, 10:15 AM

maybe the war between taliban/mujahideen and pak army is this ghazwa-e-hind. historically, hind does include most of pakistan after all..

Yea_Boii · Jun 28th, 2009, 10:21 AM

Oh, please. How many people have to get killed before Mr. Christ gets here? Same argument is repeated by Christians as well where they want to cleanse muslims from the "holy land" before Mr. Christ will arrive.

Mr. Christ, if only you knew that the fake persona you've created thousands of years ago, will cause so much suffering and damage.

d-tox..ed · Jun 28th, 2009, 11:23 AM

hahaha good one....whats the point of sending a Prophet? bloodshed? Murder? Force someone to accept your faith?

righteous · Jun 28th, 2009, 03:34 PM

people believing in Zaid Hamid is so stupid...the guy is a hate/war monger and should be hung for his misleading statements and his show should be banned...

please do a background research on the guy..he is nothing but an ISI stooge.

fayax · Jun 28th, 2009, 05:34 PM

Okay wait a minute....where did that hadeeth with "India" come from.

India didnt exist back then ... maybe a different word was used.

I am looking for a hadeeth number from Bukhari or Muslim. Can anyone provide that?

Mr.Popat · Jun 28th, 2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain1

Same Zaid Hamid from Brasstalks?

Also please cite references to all ahadith, the only "Hind" related Hadith I've read is that Prophet PBUH said (something along the lines) he felt cool air coming from Hind.

I need reference too please, about Him SAW feelin cool air coming from Hind. Thanks.

clear cut · Jun 29th, 2009, 02:51 AM

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba:
Nobody asked the Prophet as many questions as I asked regarding Ad-Dajjal. The Prophet said to me, "What worries you about him?" I said, "Because the people say that he will have a mountain of bread and a river of water with him (i.e. he will have abundance of food and water)" The Prophet said, "Nay, he is too mean to be allowed such a thing by Allah"' (but it is only to test mankind whether they believe in Allah or in Ad-Dajjal.)

the test is continued, everyone with true faith will succeed.
The Prophet (PBUH) has said a lot of ahadeeth about future, many of them have passed and many events has to come still. we should not worry too much about Ghazwa Hind. whenever this war will come, its destruction will depend on the character and spiritual level of the muslims who will take part in it. ghazwa e badr and conquest of Mecca are examples of the wars where muslims won with a little resources or without bloodshet. actually most of Arab accepted Islam or was conquered without fighting. if we will try to bring Islam into our lives just like companions of Prophet (PBUH) did, wars like Ghazwa e Hind can also become a piece of cake just like it was the conquest of Mecca.

take care of yourself and the weak ones around you.

in order to read these ahadeeth you can go to the ghazwatulhind.com

righteous · Jun 29th, 2009, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by clear cut

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba:
Nobody asked the Prophet as many questions as I asked regarding Ad-Dajjal. The Prophet said to me, "What worries you about him?" I said, "Because the people say that he will have a mountain of bread and a river of water with him (i.e. he will have abundance of food and water)" The Prophet said, "Nay, he is too mean to be allowed such a thing by Allah"' (but it is only to test mankind whether they believe in Allah or in Ad-Dajjal.)

the test is continued, everyone with true faith will succeed.
The Prophet (PBUH) has said a lot of ahadeeth about future, many of them have passed and many events has to come still. we should not worry too much about Ghazwa Hind. whenever this war will come, its destruction will depend on the character and spiritual level of the muslims who will take part in it. ghazwa e badr and conquest of Mecca are examples of the wars where muslims won with a little resources or without bloodshet. actually most of Arab accepted Islam or was conquered without fighting. if we will try to bring Islam into our lives just like companions of Prophet (PBUH) did, wars like Ghazwa e Hind can also become a piece of cake just like it was the conquest of Mecca.

take care of yourself and the weak ones around you.

in order to read these ahadeeth you can go to the ghazwatulhind.com

I have a problem trusting things which are quoted without any reference. This site has abundance of that.....

samara khan · Jun 30th, 2009, 02:06 AM

Very difficult to digest the title of this thread.......

I didnot come across with any authentic references regarding this issue and for the very first time i came across with this topic on GS only. Moreover why are you people so eager to conquer India