Maverick_27

Narrated Al−Hasan Al−Basri: By Allah, Al−Hasan bin `Ali led large battalions like mountains against Muawiya. `Amr bin Al−As said (to Muawiya),

"I surely see battalions which will not turn back before killing their opponents." Muawiya who was really the best of the two men said to him,

"O `Amr! If these killed those and those killed these, who would be left with me for the jobs of the public, who would be left with me for their women, who would be left with me for their children?"
Then Muawiya sent two Quraishi men from the tribe of `Abd−i−Shams called `Abdur Rahman bin Sumura and `Abdullah bin 'Amir bin Kuraiz to Al−Hasan saying to them, "Go to this man (i.e. Al−Hasan) and negotiate peace with him and talk and appeal to him." So, they went to Al−Hasan and talked and appealed to him to accept peace. Al−Hasan said,
"We, the offspring of `Abdul Muttalib, have got wealth and people have indulged in killing and corruption (and money only will appease them)."
They said to Al−Hasan, "Muawiya offers you so and so, and appeals to you and entreats you to accept peace."

Al−Hasan said to them, "But who will be responsible for what you have said?" They said, "We will be responsible for it."

So, whatever Al−Hasan asked they said, "We will be responsible for it for you." So, Al−Hasan concluded a peace treaty with Muawiya.

Al−Hasan (Al−Basri) said: I heard Abu Bakr saying,

"I saw Allah's Apostle on the pulpit and Al−Hasan bin `Ali was by his side. The Prophet was looking once at the people and once at Al−Hasan bin `Ali saying, 'This son of mine is a Saiyid (i.e. a noble) and may Allah make peace between two big groups of Muslims through him."

Source
3.867:
Book: Peace Making
Sahih Bukhari


This is one of the most important bay-ut after the bay-ut e Uqba, Bay-ut Rizwan and Bayut e Saqiqa Banu Saada. This bayut of hazrat Hasan bin Ali played a pivotal role in eradicating the constant friction and fight between the camps of banu ummayad and banu hashim. Due to this treaty peace was restored and the conquest of muslims that got halt due to wars between hazrat Ali & Muavia Bin Ibi Sufiyan, resumed again.
May allah be pleased with both Hazrat Hasan bin Ali and Hazrat Muavia Bin Sufiyan, both were the great saviours of Ummat e Muhammad (SAW).

Pagluu

1) Given the conditions at that time, it was a good outcome, as blood of Muslims was saved.

2) This treaty failed to eradicate the friction, as Muawiya did not abandon his ills and trickeries.

3) Please, do not make a comparison between Imam Hasan (as) and Muawiya.

DD

You can look at it from a religious point of view and then there is no room for discussion. Or you can look at it from a purely rational point of view and learn some lessons.

Imam Hassan ra probably did a good assessment of his camp which was less likely to win a battle, however, at the same time this treaty allowed ummayyyads to consolidate their rule over a period of 20 years. And Alawite dynasty wilingly dismantled their army and could not gather an army of that size for next several centuries.

Maverick_27

1. i am agree that it was a gud outcome.

2. i think u r crossing the line here by calling hazrat muavia bin ibi sufiyan like this who was a shabi e rasool. Condemning him is also contempt of Hazrat Hassan and hasaain (RA). as both have done bayat of Hazrat Muavia. so if hazrat hasan who accompanied with a large army still opted for the bay-at of Hazrat muavia. Definitely he did saw qualities in Hazrat Muavia and thats y he decided it.

Tricks in my personal opinion are not appropriate word here. Hazrat amir muavia was a very tactful person and he used his skill against the Jews and nasrani's and those created the fuss in the states and to unite the umma

3. i m not comparing them and even nobody can compare them as both were sahabi's and close relative of prophets. Both have contributed a lot for the propagation of islam and for the unity of ummat e muhammadia . May allah be pleased with them.

Pagluu

^Your understanding of this issue is severely faulty on theological, historical, as well as logical grounds.

righteous

1. Imam Hasan (AS) did not do Bayt of Muawiya, infact it was a treaty and though it avoided blodshed for the time being, it led to Muwayia to violate the treaty and installed his son Yazid (LA) as the ruler over Muslims. Yazid (LA) in turn was responsible to shed the blood of the nawasa-e-rasool Imam Hussain (AS) and his family and friends within a period of 50 years of wisal of Rasool Allah (SAW)

2. Although I am against abusing anybody specially Sahaba, we need to distinguish between those truly loyal to Allah and His Prophet (SAW) and those who violated Allah's Shariah and Sunnat-e-Mohammadi (SAW). Unfortunately Muwayia was one of them.

3. You should not compare. One was the nawasa-e-Rasool Allah (SAW) who was called the sardar of the youth in Paradise and gave his life so the lines between right and wrong are clearly marked for all the times to come. The other one on the hand was the son of a known enemy of Islam and the Prophet (SAW), whose mother ate the Liver of Hazrat Hamza uncle of the Prophet (SAW). He was responsible for killing Sahabi Hujr Bin Adi (RA) along with his companions since Hujr refuse to curse Ali (AS).

Gulnaar Khan

Well said both of you, Righteous and Pagluu..

Even if a handful of people absorb the knowledge provided by you through such logical explanations and correct their former mistakes, you'll be greatly rewarded..and an incompetent soul like me shall always pray for you !

Pagluu

Just a few more additions to the points mentioned by bro righteous:

1) Yazid did what he did to the family of the Prophet; his other hideous crimes included battle of Harra, where many companions of the Prophet (saww) were butchered in Madina, their property looted and their women violated. In Mecca, among other crimes, his army hurled stones and wood at the kaaba and set it on fire.

2) The books of history contain names of more than 120,000 people who are all identified and counted as the Ashaab of the Prophet (saww). This list contains all types and degrees of people, including the hypocrites.

3) For "hisbuna kitaab Allah" group: Imam Hasan (as) is part of at least three very clear verses in the Holy Quran; verse of purification, Mubahila, and Muwaadat.

Das Reich

in your hatred of the rafida you are defending the first bagih in islam about whom Prophet himself predicted his deviation from Haqq.
Furthermore you are comparing this Taliq ibn taliq to Prophet and Abu Bakr Siddiq which shows that you are a clear enemy of the Khilafat and agent of malookiat.
if muawiyah had honored the clauses of the treaty then we could make some excuse regarding him but the fact that he violated ALL the clauses of the treaty shows that he was dishonorable and decietful.

Prince Abbas

What do you think of people who took ahadith narrated by a "bagih" of Islam? For example, Bukhari.

Das Reich

^ hadith can be taken even from a khariji it depends on the context of the hadith....

e.g it is quoted from muawiyah in waqat siffin by ibn muzahim that ziyad b khasafa was incorruptable, as muawiyah tried to bribe him but was frustrated as he didnt fall for it.

So why should I doubt that narration from muawiyah ?

*****Edited******* This hread has nothing to do with 12 imams's authenticity, please stay on topic. Thank you!

you guys also dismiss everything from abu huraira , yet u quote his hadith when he said something like "i hope God does not make me see 60 AH"

Prince Abbas

One of the main condition of hadith is that the narrator should be "reliable". How can you rely on a BAGHI to teach you Islam?

Lusi

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Das Reich

Lusi this thread has nothing to do with reliability of hadith narraters either or the inclusion criteria of bukhari and others
please dont show your pro-12er bias

Lusi

I never showed my 12-er bias. I never said it was about inclusion of Bukhari hadees, feel free to quote Bukhari hadees as a refrence to your view point.

Das Reich

what point ? no "quotation' will "prove " that as this is a question cannot be "proven" by single quotes its a question about methodology
prince's question is about collective prohibity of sahaba which i have mentioned in other posts earlier and its origins.This question is totally off-topic here and my replies to that u have deleted.

Prince Abbas

My question was as much off-topic as was your abuse of shias for no reason.
And don't cry out loud for removal of your posts regarding knowledge of people. My reply to it was also deleted.

Prince Abbas

It is sad that non-Shias could only think in terms of rulers and monarchies. The Imams showed that leadership (imamat) is more than just subjugating the bodies. Imam Ali was bathing Prophet's body when people were fighting for khilafat in Saqifa. Imam Hasan made treaty with the killer of Sahabas to stop bloodshed. Imam Hussein never demanded to be the khalifa himself. Same goes for all other Imams of Prophet's family.

However, Muslims knew very well who are the people worthy of khilafat and leadership.
So as soon as Abbasids rose up against Muawiya's family, calling upon Muslims to return the khilafat to Banu Hashim, masses upon masses of Muslims supported their call.

Nussairee

^unfortunately for a large majority of our brothers the end justify the means.............our friend Das here supports Taliban because according to him Taliban are fighting to bring back the sharia!...........and his obsession with the Shias is comical.........

Das Reich

^ dont put words in my mouth ....talibs are like the khawarij of today i dont support them but i am more sympathetic to them than muawiyahs of today ( musharrafs, zardaris , bhuttos etc)

i loved the red army of post war era so i absolutely HATED the afghan terrorits socalled freedom fighters so i cannot be very supportive of them anyway