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Sep 11th, 2006, 12:44 AM
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Anyone saw this ABC mini-series about the events which lead up to the Terrorist attacks on New York and Washington on September 11, 2001.
I thought it was well done and well acted.
Although they made Islamabad look like an Calcutta Slum and Manila into a Bangkok Red Light District.
Other than that, it was pretty good.
Thoughts, Comments....
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Sep 11th, 2006, 07:36 AM
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I think that the one thing that was made clear is that for a long time Americans simply did not want to believe that there was a legitimate threat from terrorists. We were slow to recognize the threat.
I was with a bunch of constuction workers on 9/11. As they were leaving the site for the day, they said, "Someone has awakened the Sleeping Giant". And they did.
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Sep 11th, 2006, 07:51 AM
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^ And the sleeping giant than went around killing Innocent people around the world in the name of the war on terror and miserably failed to catch the people they set out to punish.
After 5 years:
- Where is osama
- Where is Zawahiri
- Where is Mullah Omar.
The ONLY success has been the killing of Innocent people and the destruction of Iraq. Hoorayyyy lets celebrate.
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Sep 11th, 2006, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mawarid
^ And the sleeping giant than went around killing Innocent people around the world in the name of the war on terror and miserably failed to catch the people they set out to punish.
After 5 years:
- Where is osama
- Where is Zawahiri
- Where is Mullah Omar.
The ONLY success has been the killing of Innocent people and the destruction of Iraq. Hoorayyyy lets celebrate.
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They got and killed most of the 2nd Tier Terrrorists such as Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, Ramzi Bin al Shibh, etc....
Taliban has been removed from power and democracy is trying to take hold in Afghanistan
I know you would much rather live under the Taliban
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Sep 11th, 2006, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mercenary2k
Taliban has been removed from power and democracy is trying to take hold in Afghanistan
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When Afghanistan was attacked, the real target was OBL/Al-CIAda, Taliban were secondary target.
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Sep 11th, 2006, 11:05 AM
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we've a forum for this.. it's called Shor Sharaba... or u may opt for the Jokes section.. your choice.
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Sep 11th, 2006, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain1
When Afghanistan was attacked, the real target was OBL/Al-CIAda, Taliban were secondary target.
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No, the TalibPAKISTan government was the initial military target. They had to overthrow the ruling party to ever get to the terrorists they were harboring.
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Sep 11th, 2006, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mercenary2k
They got and killed most of the 2nd Tier Terrrorists such as Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, Ramzi Bin al Shibh, etc....
Taliban has been removed from power and democracy is trying to take hold in Afghanistan
I know you would much rather live under the Taliban
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You still haven't answered my questions, why have the sleeping giant failed so mierably to trace these people, unless of course it is a deliberate move to keep the war OF terror ongoing.
One lesson learn from 9/11 is if someone kills innocent people in your country, feel so outraged that you go and kill 10 times more innocent people in their and other countries and claim that you are bringing democracy to the people. Secondly state sponsored terrorism is perfectly acceptable.
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Sep 11th, 2006, 11:38 AM
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we've a forum for this.. it's called Shor Sharaba... or u may opt for the Jokes section.. your choice.
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is that where you go to share intellectual thought?
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Sep 11th, 2006, 11:39 AM
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You still haven't answered my questions, why have the sleeping giant failed so mierably to trace these people, unless of course it is a deliberate move to keep the war OF terror ongoing.
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Absolutely
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One lesson learn from 9/11 is if someone kills innocent people in your country, feel so outraged that you go and kill 10 times more innocent people in their and other countries and claim that you are bringing democracy to the people. Secondly state sponsored terrorism is perfectly acceptable.
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Agreed
So what r u gonna do about this?
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Sep 11th, 2006, 11:52 AM
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So what r u gonna do about this?
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Don't need to do anything, the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and hezbollah are teaching them a lesson they will not forget easily. Gone are the days when the arrogant state sponsored terrorists went in to a country and declared that we will not rest till their demands were met only too run away without their demands being met and with heavy losses.
Remember "MissionAcomplished and bring them on".
That is what is happening to them.
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Sep 11th, 2006, 01:24 PM
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lessons must be learnt by th US. THE PATH OF 9/11 should have been cut well before then. So many Only If's
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Sep 12th, 2006, 03:49 AM
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ABC Feeds Off Bones Of Dead & Disdains History
New York, New York - Officials at ABC-TV and its corporate parent, The Walt Disney Company, admitted today that their "docudrama" The Path to 9/11 is virtually a complete fabrication with little factual content. They also acknowledged that its purpose is to place the blame for 9/11 squarely on the Clinton administration while completely absolving the Bush administration of any responsibility, even though the events of 9/11 occurred well into the Bush administration which ignored many warnings of the impending catastrophe.
ABC and Disney executives further stated that it was their intent to try to help the Republican party in time for the November elections. Said Robert A. Iger, President and Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company, "Of course, we did this to help Bush and the Republicans. That's how it works. We scratch their backs and they scratch ours. Why else would we hire right-wing writers and producers with strong Republican ties to come up with this crap."
Also, in response to protests by the families of the victims of 9/11 who said that ABC and The Walt Disney Company were using lies and distortions about the horrific deaths of their loved ones for ill-gotten gain, Iger replied, "History is what we say it is. If they want facts and truth, let them get their own god damn network."
Iger refused to comment on ABC/Disney's next major docudrama, How Bush Won the Medal of Honor in Vietnam.
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Sep 12th, 2006, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mawarid
Don't need to do anything, the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and hezbollah are teaching them a lesson they will not forget easily. Gone are the days when the arrogant state sponsored terrorists went in to a country and declared that we will not rest till their demands were met only too run away without their demands being met and with heavy losses.
Remember "MissionAcomplished and bring them on".
That is what is happening to them.
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People of Iraq?
You mean the foreign Fighters from Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda terrorists killing Shias trying to start a civil war
And the people of Afghanistan? You mean the Taliban who are not Afghanis but are foreigners trying to establish their terrorist governement back in power...
You mean Hezbollah, who gets marching orders from Iran....
My My, you have a weird sense of reality....
So basically if it were up to you, you would much rather live in a Taliban style government than a free and democratic one....
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Sep 12th, 2006, 05:08 AM
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"War on Terror" ........what a joke. Sounds like the most incompetent operation in world history. It would have been more suited to be called "War on innocents". Damn American terrorist b**tards.
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Sep 12th, 2006, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mercenary2k
People of Iraq?
You mean the foreign Fighters from Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda terrorists killing Shias trying to start a civil war
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Does it matter? Have the US terrorists managed to accomplish anything (besides murdering innocents of course).......and don't use the Iraqi government as an accomplishment. Oh wait, the war was declared over 2 or 3 months after it started..........right......  I
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And the people of Afghanistan? You mean the Taliban who are not Afghanis but are foreigners trying to establish their terrorist governement back in power...
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"Terrorist government"  . You're sounding more like your father in Washington. Again, what has the coalition acheived in Afghanistan (besides murder and rape)? Is Karzai free to walk in Afghanistan without fearing the Taliban?
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You mean Hezbollah, who gets marching orders from Iran....
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What does it matter, when the illegitamate terrorist state of Israel got a well deserved beating by the hands of these brave men fighting for their dignity and freedom.
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My My, you have a weird sense of reality....
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When you think that the US won the Vietnam war, You should be the last person talking about "reality".
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So basically if it were up to you, you would much rather live in a Taliban style government than a free and democratic one....
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I don't see you joining the armed forces fighting "terrorists" in Afghanistan.
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Sep 12th, 2006, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mercenary2k
People of Iraq?
You mean the foreign Fighters from Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda terrorists killing Shias trying to start a civil war
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I think you have lost track of words of your leaders. They used to blame only foreign elements at one point, later on the observations came from field that there are several type of fighters, foreigners are only a small part of it.
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And the people of Afghanistan? You mean the Taliban who are not Afghanis but are foreigners trying to establish their terrorist governement back in power...
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Taliban are not foreigners, but very Afghan, actually more Afghan than Karzai but unfortunately that has not been said by Donald Rumsfled yet therefore not everyone is going to believe that.
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Sep 12th, 2006, 01:00 PM
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Does it matter? Have the US terrorists managed to accomplish anything (besides murdering innocents of course).......and don't use the Iraqi government as an accomplishment. Oh wait, the war was declared over 2 or 3 months after it started..........right...... 
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Well Afghanistan is better off than it was under the Taliban but fanatics wont stand for it and same goes for Iraq.........
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"Terrorist government"  . You're sounding more like your father in Washington. Again, what has the coalition acheived in Afghanistan (besides murder and rape)? Is Karzai free to walk in Afghanistan without fearing the Taliban?
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The majority of the people of Afghanistan support the Karzai government than tha Taliban Nazis. You are not a spokesman for the Afghan people, hell you are not even Afghani, hell you have never been to Afghanistan, hell I bet you dont even know one Afghani....
Get a life Kid
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What does it matter, when the illegitamate terrorist state of Israel got a well deserved beating by the hands of these brave men fighting for their dignity and freedom.
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This is exactly the line of reasoning that Arabs will lose another 5 wars with Israel and then Israel will get complacent and Arabs will score some hits on Israel.
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When you think that the US won the Vietnam war, You should be the last person talking about "reality".
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Since you cant even find Vietnam on a map, you shouldnt talk
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I don't see you joining the armed forces fighting "terrorists" in Afghanistan.
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Sep 12th, 2006, 01:03 PM
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I think you have lost track of words of your leaders. They used to blame only foreign elements at one point, later on the observations came from field that there are several type of fighters, foreigners are only a small part of it.
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The primary instigators of the Shia-Sunni fighting were Foreigners. The Shias retaliated and Sunnis fought back and now you have a low level civil war in Iraq.
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Taliban are not foreigners, but very Afghan, actually more Afghan than Karzai but unfortunately that has not been said by Donald Rumsfled yet therefore not everyone is going to believe that.
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Taliban are indeed foreigners. They have some Afghans in their midst but are made up of mostly Arabs, Pakistanis, Afghans and some Arab-Afghans.........
These people don't represnet the people of Afghanistan and never will....
Would you want Dallas to be run like Kabul before 9/11, Captain?
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Sep 12th, 2006, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mercenary2k
The primary instigators of the Shia-Sunni fighting were Foreigners. The Shias retaliated and Sunnis fought back and now you have a low level civil war in Iraq.
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Foreigners came to the scene later, the first fighters were Iraqis themselves. US govt makes this claim that first fighters were foreigners because US govt believed they will get flower garlands after 'liberating' Iraq.
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Taliban are indeed foreigners. They have some Afghans in their midst but are made up of mostly Arabs, Pakistanis, Afghans and some Arab-Afghans.........
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Taliban were helped by Pakistani, Arabs etc. but comprises of Afghans as majority.
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Would you want Dallas to be run like Kabul before 9/11, Captain?
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Why do you have to ask such question? I know you want every country in the world running by US line of dictation, I don't, I want them to do what they think is right for them and if they are Muslims then their laws should be based on Quran.
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