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      Considering the enormity of the crime, I'm shocked by how little attention this case has gotten, both in India and abroad...it's pretty sad to think that when a few hundred men can attack a village and gang rape & humiliate scores of women in broad daylight, and go virtually unnoticed in the rest of the country.

      Dhanni Deeh Mass Rape
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      Bhinga, July 15, 2007
      The testimonies of the wronged women of Dhanni Deeh village made it clear beyond doubt that they were disrobed, beaten up, paraded naked in the village and faced ‘beizzati’— a term which for lack of proper vocabulary they could not further describe.

      By late Sunday afternoon some 17 women from the village had given their statements to Commissioner Devipatan Division Ashok Kumar, who is conducting an official inquiry into the July 10 incident. After taking their statements the women were asked to put their thumb impression on the paper.

      Packed in a tractor-trailer and jeep some three dozen village women, were brought to the district headquarters at Bhinga, some 25 km away, by the newly appointed SO of Sirsiya police station, R.K Gautam, this morning.

      The women said a mob attacked the village on the morning of July 10, three days after Salim, a young man from the village, eloped with Vandana, daughter of the

      The women, in their testimonies, charged the attacking men of ransacking their houses, pulling them out of the village, tearing off their clothes, dragging them to the neighbouring sugarcane fields and peepal tree ground where they say they were sexually assaulted.

      They showed cuts and bruises to corroborate their charges. Sitting in the corridor of the DM’s office Samina (name changed) displayed a bruise on her thigh. Fahmida lifts her kurta to show a bruise on her back. Both of them said the men had raped them.

      The identity of the men and their motive is a matter of investigation. However, what is amply clear is that the FIR registered at Sisiya police station on July 12, two days after the incident, under the pressure of local Congress leader Aslam Raini does not include Section 376 pertaining to rape. The FIR (no 316/07) against 100-150 unknown persons is under Sections 147, 323, 504, 506, 427 of the IPC. Ten men, including Vandana’s father, have already been arrested.

      Strangely enough even without lodging an FIR of rape 17 of these women were sent for medical examination to the Bhinga Community Health Centre on July 13, three days after their reported mass rape.

      According to Dr Rabia Sultan who conducted the medical examination prima facie rape could not be established as according to her none of the 17 women presented before her had any visible perineum injury. Not did their cervical smears reveal any semen.

      She said all women she had examined were between 20 and 70 years. Conceding that the medical examination that she had conducted did not take into account the clothes worn by the women at the time of the crime, she said it was the duty of the police to hand over the clothes.

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      And muslim men have raped muslim women including those wearing those tents , er , I mean burqa.

      What ever, these two religious groups are both citizens of India. Therefore, indian men raped indian women , there fellow national citizens.

      Men are jerks and sicko, it simple. Who cares if christian, sikh, hindi, muslim, catholic, buddist or atheist a woman is a woman and it seems this kind of pathetic crap always happens to women and children when civil disobedience foams into mob rage and deviance begets.

      It does not matter if a woman wears a burqa, hijab, bikini, mini skirt men who are of such low moral character or mentally retarded will rape , pillage and plunder.

      It's about time some women raped these men up the anus with a wooden baseball bat with splinters.

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      I say chop their thingies off
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      Quote Originally Posted by uberalles View Post
      And muslim men have raped muslim women including those wearing those tents , er , I mean burqa.
      Do you see me claiming otherwise? And who said anything about burqas preventing rape?

      Quote Originally Posted by uberalles View Post
      What ever, these two religious groups are both citizens of India. Therefore, indian men raped indian women , there fellow national citizens.
      You would have had a point if this was a random crime who's victims just happened to be Muslim.

      These women however were specifically targeted because of their religion...the mob was taking "revenge" against the Muslim community of the village, and exclusively targeted Muslims.

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      Uberalles, this is not a "you too" thread. If you can add something constructive to the discussion, by sure go ahead. You cant justify this heinous crime by saying "oh those guys do the same".

      Had this incident happened in Pakistan, it would have made world headlines and attracted the ire and glare of practically all the world media. The women in question would be heroes.

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      were these women raped because they were muslim? If not the topic name is inappropriate, designed to make readers believe that its a case of communalism.

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      Wow, did the victims themselves said that they were targeted 'cause they were just Muslims?? women are raped everywhere, thats the disgustful truth. you can be trusted to paint everything a religious tint.
      AND the medical tests, apparently done by a Muslim woman herself, reports that there have been no sign of them being raped, though she didnt saw the clothes.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ummm View Post
      were these women raped because they were muslim? If not the topic name is inappropriate, designed to make readers believe that its a case of communalism.
      wow ! that brings us back to the discussion of what muslim kings did to hindus ...was it because of religion or political reasons
      how conveniently u shift the blame here

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      Quote Originally Posted by Das Reich View Post
      wow ! that brings us back to the discussion of what muslim kings did to hindus ...was it because of religion or political reasons
      how conveniently u shift the blame here
      that's exactly why you should be careful whom you discuss with. You will be kicked aound from topic to topic like a football.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ummm View Post
      were these women raped because they were muslim? If not the topic name is inappropriate, designed to make readers believe that its a case of communalism.
      yes they were raped because they were Muslim. the thread title is appropriate.
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      Yea women are always the victims of rape/assault and south asia is no exception and the fact that this happened in a village shows that the psychos that did this were obviously not very educated. There will be scummy people of the majority religions in both India and Pakistan who try to take advantage of the minorities specifically the women. In Pakistan too there are a couple cases like this where Hindu girls are raped and are forced to convert to Islam. How do you prevent these crimes from happening?? Creating stricter laws to protect minorities might be a start

      I say the perpetrators of these kinds of crimes should get what knockout artist was saying...now that's justice
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      Quote Originally Posted by uberalles View Post
      And muslim men have raped muslim women including those wearing those tents , er , I mean burqa.
      excuse me? you just showed how much respect you have for other people's religion or faith so i think you should be the last person to voice your comments on such an event.

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      Quote Originally Posted by indopak View Post
      Yea women are always the victims of rape/assault and south asia is no exception and the fact that this happened in a village shows that the psychos that did this were obviously not very educated. There will be scummy people of the majority religions in both India and Pakistan who try to take advantage of the minorities specifically the women. In Pakistan too there are a couple cases like this where Hindu girls are raped and are forced to convert to Islam. How do you prevent these crimes from happening?? Creating stricter laws to protect minorities might be a start

      I say the perpetrators of these kinds of crimes should get what knockout artist was saying...now that's justice
      That is just a very wrong allegation. Substantiate your facts and avoid making WRONG sweeping statements which you have been brainwashed into believing in India. Are you also going to tell me there were 25% Hindus in Pak before partition?

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      getting kidnapped and converted to islam and quite a few of these girls are minors:
      http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2007/2158/
      http://muslimwatch.blogspot.com/2007...-pakistan.html
      http://www.islam-watch.org/MarianaBa...InPakistan.htm
      and of course there are many cases that go unreported like one of the articles says. So are you saying that these are just made up stories?? come on. These aren't Indian or Hindu sources
      http://www.pww.org.pk/index.php?link...odid=47&page=2
      http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2007/90233.htm

      Let's admit that both countries need to do more to protect minorities/women
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      Quote Originally Posted by janab-e-ali View Post

      According to Dr Rabia Sultan who conducted the medical examination prima facie rape could not be established as according to her none of the 17 women presented before her had any visible perineum injury. Not did their cervical smears reveal any semen.

      She said all women she had examined were between 20 and 70 years. Conceding that the medical examination that she had conducted did not take into account the clothes worn by the women at the time of the crime, she said it was the duty of the police to hand over the clothes.
      So the medical exam showed they wer not raped. Why are you claiming they were gang raped?

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      Quote Originally Posted by pallavpotter View Post
      Wow, did the victims themselves said that they were targeted 'cause they were just Muslims?? women are raped everywhere, thats the disgustful truth. you can be trusted to paint everything a religious tint.
      There were plenty of Hindus in the village too. Their houses weren't looted, and they were not attacked. It's pretty clear that Muslims were singled out.

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      AND the medical tests, apparently done by a Muslim woman herself, reports that there have been no sign of them being raped, though she didnt saw the clothes.
      The medical exams were conducted three days later.

      As someone who has done rape kits before, I can assure you that even with our vastly superior forensic technology here in the US, it's going to be difficult to find evidence of rape that long after. Bathing, washing your hair...even changing your clothes can destroy crucial evidence. All this medical exam was able to show was that there was that the victims had no visible bruising or injury to their genital areas...which by no means disproves rape.

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      Quote Originally Posted by knockout_artist View Post
      I say chop their thingies off
      absolutely! if they did commit the crime! that's one way to ensure they don't try it again

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      Quote Originally Posted by janab-e-ali View Post
      There were plenty of Hindus in the village too. Their houses weren't looted, and they were not attacked. It's pretty clear that Muslims were singled out.


      The medical exams were conducted three days later.

      As someone who has done rape kits before, I can assure you that even with our vastly superior forensic technology here in the US, it's going to be difficult to find evidence of rape that long after. Bathing, washing your hair...even changing your clothes can destroy crucial evidence. All this medical exam was able to show was that there was that the victims had no visible bruising or injury to their genital areas...which by no means disproves rape.
      I read this after I posted a similar question about whether rape occurred. Can rape occur without causing any injury or tear - that too with that many women, not one had a tear?

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