ur comment makes u seem narrow minded..please do not use deragatory remarks to describe someone's sexual orientation..god made them that way..god made homosexuals and god made khusras..what if god made you one of these?..u wouldnt be hatin so much then?..now would you?
Kiddo you are talking about eunuchs or hermaphrodite, I'm talking about homosexuality and homos. And talking about God, God doesn't allow men having sex with men and women having sex with women, now grow up.
" Much of what I learned in school, I have had to spend my life unlearning." -Hamza Yusuf Hanson
How did you twist that to think that pedophelia was allowed?
It was allowed. Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] in Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64. And in Abu Dawud, Volume 2, Number 2116 where Aisha states it more specifically.
And it's still allowed [video dated June 19, 2008]. If you have any doubts as to what consumate means, pay attention to the part where he, a scholar in Islam, says marriage is two things: "First, we're talking about the marriage contract itself is one thing and while consumating the marriage - having sex with the wife for the first time - is another thing." He sure as heck proves what happened to Aisha at age 9.
He's a Saudi Marriage Officiant whose job it is to witness the consent of intended spouses and to ensure their marriage is permisable under Islamic law. If he doesnt look like an expert on Islamic marriage requirements to you, then I wonder who does. Mama? Baba?
He's a Saudi Marriage Officiant whose job it is to witness the consent of intended spouses and to ensure their marriage is permisable under Islamic law. If he doesnt look like an expert on Islamic marriage requirements to you, then I wonder who does. Mama? Baba?
He's Saudi whatever but still he's not a scholar, can you please provide his name and biography, his educational background etc.
Some people also think that Usama Bin Laden has an authority in Islam but in reality he doesn't as he hasn'r done any studies in Islamic Law.
It was allowed. Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] in Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64. And in Abu Dawud, Volume 2, Number 2116 where Aisha states it more specifically.
]
You first stated that homosexuality was allowed preferably with younger children. And then to prove your point you somehow jumped to the marriage issue and sighted the marriage of the Prophet Muhammad (sas) with our Mother Ayesha (rah), where marriage was consummated when Ayesha (rah) was past her age of maturity..
Please explain how does this in any way or form, even attempt to prove your disgusting and filthy hypothesis?
"The Baptism of God, and who can Baptize better than God?" (2:138)
Kiddo you are talking about eunuchs or hermaphrodite, I'm talking about homosexuality and homos. And talking about God, God doesn't allow men having sex with men and women having sex with women, now grow up.
Anyways I dont really care if people are gay or not.
They don't bother me and I don't bother them.
Live and Let Live.
But one thing I will admit, I find two girls having sex with each other incredibly hot.
Whether one likes it or not homosexuality and other forms of sexual and gender mutations have always existed. In Pakistan it is prevalent also except it is well hidden due to fears. However pedaracy (man "keeping" a boy lover) is actually deemded a prestigious thing in some communities, such as Pashtuns. The madarassas are also said to be breeding grounds for homosexual behavior probably due to the gender-segregated long internships. In the article "Open Secrets" by Miranda Kennedy published in Boston Globe, the author compares it to what happens in prisons.
While such behavior is repulsive to straight people, the secrecy and guilt associated with it is clearly dangerous to all. For example, the gay men who marry women to hide their nature basically destroy that woman!
Homosexuals in Pakistan walk a fine line between harsh legal and cultural prohibition and some form of unspoken social acceptance. "Islamic tradition frowns on but acknowledges male-male sex, and this plays a role in permitting clandestine sex so long as it is not allowed to interfere with family life, which is of paramount importance," the San Francisco-based sociologist Stephen O. Murray writes in "Sociolegal Control of Homosexuality: A Multi-Nation Comparison," a collection of scholarly essays published in 1997. Further complicating matters, the most common form of male homosexuality in Pakistan, according to Murray, is pederasty, where an older man entices or coerces (sometimes forcibly) a younger boy into sex.
Sayed Mudassir Shah, a human rights activist based in Peshawar, believes this goes on in part because of the extreme austerity of the traditional culture. Even after marriage, women are kept separate from men (except at night), and a strict interpretation of Islam discourages sports, music, and TV. Indeed, says Sayed, the practice is deeply embedded in the local culture. "It is so common to take boy lovers, that it is part of our Pashtun folklore," Sayed says. "One story tells of a wife crying to her husband that he has made her jealous, because he is spending so much time in the hujra with his boyfriend. This is folklore, but it is similar in life."
Sex between men is also commonplace in Pakistan's gender-segregated madrassas, or religious schools, where students and mullahs will go for months without setting eyes on a woman. Here, more than anywhere else in Pakistan, the situation resembles that found among prison inmates, where sex is mostly about availability and dominance rather than preference. In many cases, families take their sons to madrassas because they cannot afford to raise them themselves. A researcher with the AIDS Prevention Association of Pakistan (who asked that her name not be used) cited a saying such parents have for the teachers when they bring them their sons: "His flesh is yours, but his bones are ours."
I plan on basing my decisions in the upcoming US elections on which party's platform demands that the billion$ the US uses to bribe Pakistan goes toward the development of gay rights in Pakistan rather than using it to harbor and protect Taliban terrorists.
I have heard estimates (though have never come across hard evidence) that as much as 5% of Karachi population was gay + other similar gender bends. I thought that sounded way too much but given the taboo it is impossible to verify
^ that's a LOT! Are you telling me every twentieth person in Pakistan is a gay? That'd mean in a class of say 60, there are 3 gay kids in Palistan! Sounds too much but how the hell does one know these things!
Sex between men is also commonplace in Pakistan's gender-segregated madrassas, or religious schools, where students and mullahs will go for months without setting eyes on a woman.
Please keep your crap to yourself. You are talking about centers of learning where Allah's Name and His Laws are read and taught.
The centers of learning have been going for centuries and there is absolutely no mention of any of these cases anywhere, unlike Catholic Churches.
Just because you adhere to this sadistic lifestyle you dont need to bring madaris into the equation in order to prove your point.
Please keep your crap to yourself. You are talking about centers of learning where Allah's Name and His Laws are read and taught.
The centers of learning have been going for centuries and there is absolutely no mention of any of these cases anywhere, unlike Catholic Churches.
Just because you adhere to this sadistic lifestyle you dont need to bring madaris into the equation in order to prove your point.
I think WOQ is quoting a Boston Glove research article and not his own opinion. so you're probably shooting the messenger here - may be he should clear this up and perhaps post a link?
This is all very silly. It's like saying that you (assuming you are hetrosexual) could be taught to be gay. .
Ok. In case you missed my point.
Homesexuality is a disease or out of norm act. Heterosexuality is not.
I will welcome any reference contrary to that and will discuss further.
Man and woman combo is made to run the business of the world together as man and woman.
Man with man...............or woman with woman living life together kind of concept is creation of a diseased mind.
I know people/persons who are gay and do understand what they go through.
I do feel for them but its like anyone feels for someone who is diseased with a chronic illness and one wishes that they recover.
Like mojority of, the mojority of, the majority healthy people, I am not gay...Thanks to almighty!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by underthedome
Homosexuality is not exclusive to humans it's seen in nature as well. With all the problems in the world why choose to make another, why focus some much time on homosexuals? The fact that some people want to control other peoples sexuality in which there is no victim is mind boggling and shows such people have serious sexual insecurity..
Agree. I do not spend much time of my life on this silly and pathetic subject.
Victimization is not the only standard to judge something wrong or right.
If a person with any disease of mind says I am not diseased and there is no victim in me being diseased, the person still needs treatment and will not be accepted as a normal person.
There are many things which are legit even when someone is actually victimised such as watching a homo on TV at prime time when one needs to enjoy the time with better things!!!!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by underthedome
If god determines one activity is a sin so be it, let him judge and decide while you focus on fixing your own sins and flaws instead of condeming others.
I am not going to dwell on God's decision of this act as sinful or not...nor I am judging or condemning anyone. All I showed is that a disease is a diseaae and be treated as such.
Whether one likes it or not homosexuality and other forms of sexual and gender mutations have always existed. In Pakistan it is prevalent also except it is well hidden due to fears. However pedaracy (man "keeping" a boy lover) is actually deemded a prestigious thing in some communities, such as Pashtuns. The madarassas are also said to be breeding grounds for homosexual behavior probably due to the gender-segregated long internships. In the article "Open Secrets" by Miranda Kennedy published in Boston Globe, the author compares it to what happens in prisons.
While such behavior is repulsive to straight people, the secrecy and guilt associated with it is clearly dangerous to all. For example, the gay men who marry women to hide their nature basically destroy that woman!
Homosexuals in Pakistan walk a fine line between harsh legal and cultural prohibition and some form of unspoken social acceptance. "Islamic tradition frowns on but acknowledges male-male sex, and this plays a role in permitting clandestine sex so long as it is not allowed to interfere with family life, which is of paramount importance," the San Francisco-based sociologist Stephen O. Murray writes in "Sociolegal Control of Homosexuality: A Multi-Nation Comparison," a collection of scholarly essays published in 1997. Further complicating matters, the most common form of male homosexuality in Pakistan,
You pervert , how could you. !! You are the first man to think that bad....
