Gay and Lesbian societies of China and Pakistan catching up fast. - Page 3

iPundit · Jul 10th, 2008, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hareem01

oh i didn't ask you what do you do in your spare time.

Neither you can say anything to Homo's what they should do in their spare time.

hareem01 · Jul 10th, 2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by iPundit

Neither you can say anything to Homo's what they should do in their spare time.

And where did I say what should homos do in their spare time?

soni27 · Jul 10th, 2008, 04:54 PM

hehe..u guyz r funny..just keep slinging dirt at 1 another...dont stop...

Words of Quaid · Jul 10th, 2008, 06:19 PM

Whether one likes it or not homosexuality and other forms of sexual and gender mutations have always existed. In Pakistan it is prevalent also except it is well hidden due to fears. However pedaracy (man "keeping" a boy lover) is actually deemded a prestigious thing in some communities, such as Pashtuns. The madarassas are also said to be breeding grounds for homosexual behavior probably due to the gender-segregated long internships. In the article "Open Secrets" by Miranda Kennedy published in Boston Globe, the author compares it to what happens in prisons.

While such behavior is repulsive to straight people, the secrecy and guilt associated with it is clearly dangerous to all. For example, the gay men who marry women to hide their nature basically destroy that woman!

Homosexuals in Pakistan walk a fine line between harsh legal and cultural prohibition and some form of unspoken social acceptance. "Islamic tradition frowns on but acknowledges male-male sex, and this plays a role in permitting clandestine sex so long as it is not allowed to interfere with family life, which is of paramount importance," the San Francisco-based sociologist Stephen O. Murray writes in "Sociolegal Control of Homosexuality: A Multi-Nation Comparison," a collection of scholarly essays published in 1997. Further complicating matters, the most common form of male homosexuality in Pakistan, according to Murray, is pederasty, where an older man entices or coerces (sometimes forcibly) a younger boy into sex.

Sayed Mudassir Shah, a human rights activist based in Peshawar, believes this goes on in part because of the extreme austerity of the traditional culture. Even after marriage, women are kept separate from men (except at night), and a strict interpretation of Islam discourages sports, music, and TV. Indeed, says Sayed, the practice is deeply embedded in the local culture. "It is so common to take boy lovers, that it is part of our Pashtun folklore," Sayed says. "One story tells of a wife crying to her husband that he has made her jealous, because he is spending so much time in the hujra with his boyfriend. This is folklore, but it is similar in life."

Sex between men is also commonplace in Pakistan's gender-segregated madrassas, or religious schools, where students and mullahs will go for months without setting eyes on a woman. Here, more than anywhere else in Pakistan, the situation resembles that found among prison inmates, where sex is mostly about availability and dominance rather than preference. In many cases, families take their sons to madrassas because they cannot afford to raise them themselves. A researcher with the AIDS Prevention Association of Pakistan (who asked that her name not be used) cited a saying such parents have for the teachers when they bring them their sons: "His flesh is yours, but his bones are ours."

Seminole · Jul 10th, 2008, 08:01 PM

I plan on basing my decisions in the upcoming US elections on which party's platform demands that the billion$ the US uses to bribe Pakistan goes toward the development of gay rights in Pakistan rather than using it to harbor and protect Taliban terrorists.

Mostar95 · Jul 10th, 2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Seminole

the development of gay rights in Pakistan rather than using it to harbor and protect Taliban terrorists.

Hey buddy you did not read the immediate prceeding post!

Words of Quaid · Jul 12th, 2008, 12:10 PM

I have heard estimates (though have never come across hard evidence) that as much as 5% of Karachi population was gay + other similar gender bends. I thought that sounded way too much but given the taboo it is impossible to verify

Tariq Akhtar · Jul 14th, 2008, 10:46 AM

^ that's a LOT! Are you telling me every twentieth person in Pakistan is a gay? That'd mean in a class of say 60, there are 3 gay kids in Palistan! Sounds too much but how the hell does one know these things!

Sharaabi · Jul 14th, 2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Words of Quaid

Sex between men is also commonplace in Pakistan's gender-segregated madrassas, or religious schools, where students and mullahs will go for months without setting eyes on a woman.

Please keep your crap to yourself. You are talking about centers of learning where Allah's Name and His Laws are read and taught.

The centers of learning have been going for centuries and there is absolutely no mention of any of these cases anywhere, unlike Catholic Churches.

Just because you adhere to this sadistic lifestyle you dont need to bring madaris into the equation in order to prove your point.

Sharaabi · Jul 14th, 2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by iPundit

Neither you can say anything to Homo's what they should do in their spare time.

happy lingam pooja, pundit jee!

iPundit · Jul 14th, 2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharaabi

happy lingam pooja, pundit jee!

Muslims are secret admirers of Lingam too thats why Lingam in Mecca.

Shogun Ninjuku · Jul 14th, 2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharaabi

Please keep your crap to yourself. You are talking about centers of learning where Allah's Name and His Laws are read and taught.

The centers of learning have been going for centuries and there is absolutely no mention of any of these cases anywhere, unlike Catholic Churches.

Just because you adhere to this sadistic lifestyle you dont need to bring madaris into the equation in order to prove your point.

I think WOQ is quoting a Boston Glove research article and not his own opinion. so you're probably shooting the messenger here - may be he should clear this up and perhaps post a link?

deedawar · Jul 14th, 2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by underthedome

This is all very silly. It's like saying that you (assuming you are hetrosexual) could be taught to be gay. .

Ok. In case you missed my point.

Homesexuality is a disease or out of norm act. Heterosexuality is not.

I will welcome any reference contrary to that and will discuss further.

Man and woman combo is made to run the business of the world together as man and woman.

Man with man...............or woman with woman living life together kind of concept is creation of a diseased mind.

I know people/persons who are gay and do understand what they go through.

I do feel for them but its like anyone feels for someone who is diseased with a chronic illness and one wishes that they recover.

Like mojority of, the mojority of, the majority healthy people, I am not gay...Thanks to almighty!!

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Originally Posted by underthedome

Homosexuality is not exclusive to humans it's seen in nature as well. With all the problems in the world why choose to make another, why focus some much time on homosexuals? The fact that some people want to control other peoples sexuality in which there is no victim is mind boggling and shows such people have serious sexual insecurity..

Agree. I do not spend much time of my life on this silly and pathetic subject.

Victimization is not the only standard to judge something wrong or right.

If a person with any disease of mind says I am not diseased and there is no victim in me being diseased, the person still needs treatment and will not be accepted as a normal person.

There are many things which are legit even when someone is actually victimised such as watching a homo on TV at prime time when one needs to enjoy the time with better things!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by underthedome

If god determines one activity is a sin so be it, let him judge and decide while you focus on fixing your own sins and flaws instead of condeming others.

I am not going to dwell on God's decision of this act as sinful or not...nor I am judging or condemning anyone. All I showed is that a disease is a diseaae and be treated as such.

deedawar · Jul 14th, 2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mercenary2k

Anyways I dont really care if people are gay or not.

They don't bother me and I don't bother them.

Live and Let Live.

But one thing I will admit, I find two girls having sex with each other incredibly hot.

Which one of two do you dream or wish to be?

(Just kidding..had to ask that).............Peace!

deedawar · Jul 14th, 2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Words of Quaid

Whether one likes it or not homosexuality and other forms of sexual and gender mutations have always existed. In Pakistan it is prevalent also except it is well hidden due to fears. However pedaracy (man "keeping" a boy lover) is actually deemded a prestigious thing in some communities, such as Pashtuns. The madarassas are also said to be breeding grounds for homosexual behavior probably due to the gender-segregated long internships. In the article "Open Secrets" by Miranda Kennedy published in Boston Globe, the author compares it to what happens in prisons.

While such behavior is repulsive to straight people, the secrecy and guilt associated with it is clearly dangerous to all. For example, the gay men who marry women to hide their nature basically destroy that woman!

Homosexuals in Pakistan walk a fine line between harsh legal and cultural prohibition and some form of unspoken social acceptance. "Islamic tradition frowns on but acknowledges male-male sex, and this plays a role in permitting clandestine sex so long as it is not allowed to interfere with family life, which is of paramount importance," the San Francisco-based sociologist Stephen O. Murray writes in "Sociolegal Control of Homosexuality: A Multi-Nation Comparison," a collection of scholarly essays published in 1997. Further complicating matters, the most common form of male homosexuality in Pakistan, according to Murray, is pederasty, where an older man entices or coerces (sometimes forcibly) a younger boy into sex.

Sayed Mudassir Shah, a human rights activist based in Peshawar, believes this goes on in part because of the extreme austerity of the traditional culture. Even after marriage, women are kept separate from men (except at night), and a strict interpretation of Islam discourages sports, music, and TV. Indeed, says Sayed, the practice is deeply embedded in the local culture. "It is so common to take boy lovers, that it is part of our Pashtun folklore," Sayed says. "One story tells of a wife crying to her husband that he has made her jealous, because he is spending so much time in the hujra with his boyfriend. This is folklore, but it is similar in life."

Sex between men is also commonplace in Pakistan's gender-segregated madrassas, or religious schools, where students and mullahs will go for months without setting eyes on a woman. Here, more than anywhere else in Pakistan, the situation resembles that found among prison inmates, where sex is mostly about availability and dominance rather than preference. In many cases, families take their sons to madrassas because they cannot afford to raise them themselves. A researcher with the AIDS Prevention Association of Pakistan (who asked that her name not be used) cited a saying such parents have for the teachers when they bring them their sons: "His flesh is yours, but his bones are ours."

A silly post. Specially the bolded sentence.

Whats up with these so called human rights activists?

Do they normally take drugs?

chachu ke chapal · Jul 14th, 2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Amour

there is no question of having him son or daughter if himself being homo. even he does and support homos then i dont think he will have any problem about his off spring being homo .

Shogun Ninjuku · Jul 15th, 2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by deedawar

A silly post. Specially the bolded sentence.

Whats up with these so called human rights activists?

Do they normally take drugs?

come on now! because they report something you don't like they must be on drugs?

I wonder if there are any subscribers here in GS who have been Madrassah students, such as what the article talks about - they can perhaps tell us first hand if such long term isolation occurs etc

Shamraz Khan · Jul 15th, 2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tariq Akhtar

^ that's a LOT! Are you telling me every twentieth person in Pakistan is a gay? That'd mean in a class of say 60, there are 3 gay kids in Palistan! Sounds too much but how the hell does one know these things!

I guess that might be statistically speaking. If thats true, that means India with 1 billion people....let me see....its has 50 million gay people? Thats a big number.