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Jul 19th, 2008, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by deedawar
What is not normal as a behaviour is abnormal.
What is not acceptable in unacceptable.
Fair enough?
We are not talking about beliefs. We are talking about behaviour of people. Their inclination towards obtaining physical or mental pleasure by being "intimate" to another same sex human being.
You say it is genetic........OK I for the sake of agreement agree with you.
NOW
Let me ask you....
There is a large list of diseases which are genetically expressed and run in the family. Should we not call them disease?
So in essence all I want at least from you to see that being gay/homosexual is being diseased.
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well then if thats was tru ethan everyhting u got stored in ur dna would be a disease..height.. colour of eyes.. skin pigmentation..blalb lbaaha..pleez make some sense..n get a life!
**the MAD DUCK!!**
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Jul 19th, 2008, 04:05 PM
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^ I love those arguments which begin or end with " get a life".
This reminds me of another guppie.
No comments to rest of your post...reason..."not worth it".
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Jul 19th, 2008, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Seil
Sodomy is allowed in Islam.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:
While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 38, Number 504:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
I was accompanying the Prophet on a journey and was riding a slow camel that was lagging behind the others. [...] When we approached Medina, I started going (towards my house). The Prophet said, "Where are you going?" I said, "I have married a widow." He said, "Why have you not married a virgin to fondle with each other?"[...]
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3459:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: I married a woman, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Have you married? I said: Yes. He said: Is it a virgin or a previously married one (widow or divorced)? I said: With a previously married one, whereupon he said: Where had you been (away) from the amusements of virgins? Shu'ba said: I made a mention of it to 'Amr b. Dinar and he said: I too heard from Jabir making mention of that (that Allah's Apostle) said: Why didn't you marry a girl, so that you might sport with her and she might sport with you?
How pathetic.
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The only thing pathetic here is that you don't know the definition of sodomy 
Atleast look it up in a dictionary before making a fool out of yourself.
...The nations which were before you were destroyed (by Allah) because they differed.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 61, Number 582:
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Jul 19th, 2008, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by deedawar
^ I love those arguments which begin or end with " get a life".
This reminds me of another guppie.
No comments to rest of your post...reason..."not worth it".
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no the reason is becasue u dont have a valid argument..and u cannot counter mine..
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Jul 20th, 2008, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by _Lahore_Ka_Cheetah
The only thing pathetic here is that you don't know the definition of sodomy
Atleast look it up in a dictionary before making a fool out of yourself.
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I corrected...
Now tell me what you have to say on " Pedophilia".
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Jul 20th, 2008, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by deedawar
Thank you for admitting what I tried to prove earlier.
Even phyciatry is not absolute and we are now using DSM fourth criteria of diagnosing mental disease.
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Nothing is a absolute. No religion, not science, not pyschiatric studies. Man continually redefines these things through research, education and experiences.
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The notion of geneticaly determined is not so strong as even identical twins (made from same gene divided early on) may not be both homosexual!!!!
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FYI, the traits of identical twins are not exactly the same.
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I do feel for these diseased people. They need treatment or behavioral treatment. Leaving them alone may be Ok as long as they are not being harmful to others. But they should still be considered diseased.
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Your opinion, while duly noted, is ignorant and myopic. It may be well received if you are living in a backwards ass country or subscribe to a backwards ass point of view (such as Christian or Muslim fundamentalism), but otherwise it is a bunch of BS.
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Again you brought religion or muslims in to discussion. A misguided argument.
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I used it as an example since your archaic and ignorant views seem to be based on a fundamentalist view of religion - which many would consider a diseased state of mind.
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All I said that accptable norm in terms of mental behaviour is based on large number of human behaviour over centuries over entire territory of the world.
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Slavery, murder of apostates and killing in the name of God have all been accepted over centuries and entire territories of the world. It doesn't mean those views weren't wrong.
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Jul 20th, 2008, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by soni27
no the reason is becasue u dont have a valid argument..and u cannot counter mine..
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You talked about irrelevant examples such as color of eyes...being considered as disease.
I was wondering where to begin a discussion ...perhaps teach you what a genetic disease or mental disease is or what are the meanings of genome and phenotypes.
So I decided I had no time for you. 
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Jul 20th, 2008, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Seminole
Nothing is a absolute. No religion, not science, not pyschiatric studies. Man continually redefines these things through research, education and experiences.
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So was my point. If current day psychiatry defines it not being a disease..whats to say it will not define it as a disease in future?
The argument in defining a mental disorder by psychiatry fails to recognize the followings.....it is an abnormal, unnatural and unusual behaviour rejected by overwhelming majority of the world popultion.
Certainly the nature did not intend to make two men or two women to live together or engage in sexual gratifying acts.
Physically speaking, body parts of male and female are compatible and reasonably opposite for their attainment of satisfaction and not only that but have necessary tools available to procreate.
Thats why we see gay couples still looking ways to adopt a child to nurture but cannot procreate themselves. It just occured to me....a question...
.......Is it not a crime to raise a child by two same sex people and force the child to live in a confused state? If not then why not?
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Originally Posted by Seminole
FYI, the traits of identical twins are not exactly the same.
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Thats what I said. Those who say it cannot be suppressed or treated since it is genetically determined 'disease' may not be correct since twins with same gene may not both be homosexual.
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Originally Posted by Seminole
Your opinion, while duly noted, is ignorant and myopic. It may be well received if you are living in a backwards ass country or subscribe to a backwards ass point of view (such as Christian or Muslim fundamentalism), but otherwise it is a bunch of BS.
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Well I can say same thing about your view. That will just make a circular argument..isn't it? Whatever you subscribe to can be considered backward, ignorant and plain and simple BS.
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Originally Posted by Seminole
I used it as an example since your archaic and ignorant views seem to be based on a fundamentalist view of religion - which many would consider a diseased state of mind.
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You chose to use the example since you ran out of your quota of valid counter-argument. You brought religion bashing into it.
There are majority who proscribe to a religion in this world and are happy, satisfied with what they believe.
That just makes very easy to consider aetheism as a diseased state of mind!
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Originally Posted by Seminole
Slavery, murder of apostates and killing in the name of God have all been accepted over centuries and entire territories of the world. It doesn't mean those views weren't wrong.
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The topic is homosexuality. It was NEVER considered as accepted behaviour...meaning NOT ACCEPTED AS NATURAL ACT. So all your examples are invalid.
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Jul 20th, 2008, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Seminole
Nothing is a absolute. No religion, not science, not pyschiatric studies. Man continually redefines these things through research, education and experiences.
FYI, the traits of identical twins are not exactly the same.
Your opinion, while duly noted, is ignorant and myopic. It may be well received if you are living in a backwards ass country or subscribe to a backwards ass point of view (such as Christian or Muslim fundamentalism), but otherwise it is a bunch of BS.
I used it as an example since your archaic and ignorant views seem to be based on a fundamentalist view of religion - which many would consider a diseased state of mind.
Slavery, murder of apostates and killing in the name of God have all been accepted over centuries and entire territories of the world. It doesn't mean those views weren't wrong.
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Good posts, but why the heck are you wasting your time here?
meri manzil hai andhera...roshan saara jahaan hai....
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Jul 30th, 2008, 01:21 AM
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#90 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Seil
I corrected...
Now tell me what you have to say on "Pedophilia".
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Is pedophilia pertinent to this thread? If not, make another thread.
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