vineshvk

Islam and muslims are two different thingsas some of you like to emphasise.


Dont tell me that you dont have baradri and stuff in pakistan. I also see a number of threads in social forum as to origin of malicks and other caste muslims.
What is happening in Sudan is also a kind of castist war.

deedawar

^The same TYPICAL INDIAN ARGUMENT!

Nothing to do with Pakistan or muslims in general here in this thread title.

Please post something on the topic.

deedawar

Read my post above.

You are so obviously being evasive that you cannot even talk about the topic itself?

Does the title suggest anything about muslims or what is happening allgedly or in reality in Sudan or any other part of the world????

kamal123

Ready to be evasive by reading the contents in the following website:
www.thereligionofpeace.com

_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

This thread is not racist - it is just highlighting the caste-discriminaiton which predominates the world's largest democracy. So far, the only thing I have seen Indians do on this thread is try to change the topic so nobody is able to discuss the issue of the sufferings of Daalits, by bringing Islam or Pakistan in to the discussion. Its as if Indians on this thread themselves are guilty of discriminating against the lower-castes, but just do not want to admit it.

If you want to debate about Islamic sectarian differences being equivalent to caste-discrimination, feel free to open up another thread. This thread is only focusing on caste-discrimination in India.

By the way, discrimination is not worse in Pakistan. If it was, it would be Pakistan making headlines around the world, not India.

What does baradri got to do with castes?

Do you even know what a Malik is? Its a tribe! Its not a caste. Do some research before making a fool out of yourself.
The other thread that you are referring to (atleast post a link) is most probably talking about the origins of different tribes. I'm sorry, but there is no significantly large caste-system outside of Hindoo India.

What is happening in Sudan is a tribal war.

Get your facts straight buddy!

deedawar

Lo Aur Aa Gaya!

Yaar, Can you even say anything related to the topic of thread?

Again, the topic is how badly hindus treat some people of supposedly lower class in their country. Something to be ashamed of ..not evading and running away from it.

vineshvk

Get over it!!
You have no idea what you are talking about and you have no businees talking about something which you have no idea of.
What you care is about how well you can put down hinduism and castism is a good way to beat it. I dont like questioning the motive of a poster but for you I have to. You wanted an egs of Muslim castism and I showed you how. I dont care what malicks are but the news do say how the dalit muslims feel that having an OBC malick muslims in the reservation quota eats into their share. Most caste violence in India now days start with similar problems.

Wow, world knows what Pakistan is famous for and we all know why does Pakistans name comes up so often in International news. Small matter of caste takes a back seat in your large country.


Its a form of castism. Does that exist in other places except the subcontinent.

Castism most likely developed out of tribal conflicts. Even now the lowest class in India are called Schedule tribes.

vineshvk

Are you a moderator ?

Ice Cold Water Burns

Muslims take pride in saying they don't discriminate because they don't have castes. But then they are the worst discriminators I've ever come across because they cannot tolerate non-muslims or even other types of muslims! Everybody has castes, they just call it different names such as catse, sect, denomination etc.

Anything that divides up people is a caste

deedawar

What difference does that make?

Changing subject is no discussion at all.

Why hide behind counter accusations?

deedawar

Why all the talk about what muslims do or don't?

Why can't you guys talk about what hindus do to low class Dalits?

Obviously hiding the fact.

Ice Cold Water Burns

I am hiding facts? you're nuts! this topic singled out Hindus when in fact Muslims practice the same thing in a worse way...

kamal123

No..I agree. But why so many threads on a topic which had been discussed so many times.It is obvious to a try to show some superiority of 'the' religion. So, I strongly felt the need to show ugly side of that religion too. There is nothing to be ashamed of to know the ugly side of anything..what do you say?..Do not forget to browse through that website...

khanabadoshpk

Retards having a field day today here on gupshup.

khanabadoshpk

Sawal gandum jawab chana.

deedawar

I feel sorry....... if you have been overwhelmed by so many threads on topics you do not like to discuss.

vineshvk

nice brother.
Look at what you wrote in rise of taliban
"India created a terrorist organization knowingly to control and punish another country for supporting Pakistan and to control its south eastern territory. Pakistan did not inend to control ANY country.
"
How does that relate to rise of taliban. .
Selective amnesia isnt it.

bebo

Of course not,why would you start a thread that would talk about every day discrimination of christains and other minorities of Pakistan. I counter the lame ass argument made in this thread by making a point that discrimination based on race and ethnicity happen in Pakistan too so why single out India. Why not try to do something out this evil and start from our own home. The thread starter had clearly no positive intention to create awarness about this inhuman behaviour but just to make a nation look bad.
I have no intention to post my NICOP number here but I surely get ashamed by reading these various racist and and full of hatred threads started by my fellow Pakistanis. They say young generation is an asset to a nation but the mind set of majority of Pakistani youth is very disappointing.

deedawar

Well, its all up to you.

Wish you had stopped here..but you chose not to.


Where is hatred against India or Indians here?

Running away from topic is very obvious though. No one sees Indians simply accepting these events and move on.

The thread talks about hatred of hindus against non-hindus.

Please read again.

_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

Who are you to decide what I can or cannot talk about?

What is wrong with discussing vital aspects of Hinduism?

What I really wanted was for you to post something regarding how Daalits are treated in India but neither you nor any other Indian here seems to be doing so. Are you ashamed?

And I already mentioned that Daalit Muslim & Muslim castism is only prevalent in India. Only in India!

Really? I did not know that! Please provide us with world-wide proof, because every time I go to a search engine such as Google and type 'Caste', I get 10 results out of which 5 mention India (right on the Google page), and not a single mentioning Pakistan. Thats proof enough of where Castism is most prevalent.

What is Baraadri man? Explain to me.

You are just picking different names for the same thing and trying to impose it on Pakistan. Castism does not exist in Islam, and is not prevalent in Pakistan.

I thought castism developed out of Bhagavad Gita?

vineshvk

Because you have no idea.


Vital aspects? So if you take out caste, hinduism is dead: is that what you mean.
Manusmrithi is the only book that talk about division based on work (read caste). And nobody worship that except some hardcore brahmins.


This is exactly why I say you dont have any knwledge of present day India. Castism is now in place majorly because certain section demands and wants a positive discrimination for them in every aspect of life. Read reservations.
Do you know about Mayavati, who is all set to or trying to be the prime minister of India. Who is she? Help youself and google.
Do you know about the current chief justice of India. What is he?
Do you know about the former president, KR Narayanan. What was he?
All three are dalits occupying, aspiring to and occupied highest office of the country.

Because there is positive discrimination based on caste people including muslims want to be considered on the basis of caste. If such system existed in Pakistan then there would also be people demanding reservation based on what caste they descended from.


If I type islamic terrorism I will get every link to Pakistan, hence my point that caste takes a back seat in your country where terrorism is a major issue.
I am not saying that India does not have castism. It has but the influence it has on discriminating people is coming down drastically except at times when caste becomes an issue for positive discrimination.



If you say so I have to believe you. But GS gave me an impression that there is a lot of discrimination based on what kind of tribe you come from.
I have many rhetoric questions to ask about Islam , but I wouldnt as this would offend you terribly.


I believe you are wrong. there is nothing like that in Bhagvad Gita.

gesto

Suppose a Bali Hindu is born in a Brahmin family and remains as a priest for sometime,and then if he chooses to become a teacher one day,his status will go to Vaishya from Brahmin.But this does not mean that he is touchable and is ostracized from his community for this reason.Again if he chooses to restart as a priest,he can do it ,and he will go back to Brahmin caste!!! In Bali,the caste is decided on one's profession and not by birth.Manu in his Manusmriti advocated the same only but as the time passed on, people had brought in many versions to it ,and became a tool for some people to foment caste feuds

_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

So enlighten us because we have no idea. Clarify instead of hiding it.