Hindu Terrorists Attempt Economic Strangulation of Kashmir - Page 2

janab-e-ali · Aug 2nd, 2008, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gesto

( Everyone in India and in the rest of the world knows that ordinary Kashmiris are not behind this stone pelting sagas in the valley,but some misguided youths,moulded at the hands of wicked terrorists).

Then (not surprisingly) everyone in India is deluding themselves. Virtually all of Kashmir was united against the transfer of our land to an organization run by foreigners. Our political leadership had all been placed under house arrest by that point...it was hundreds of thousands of "ordinary Kashmiris" who organized themselves and peacefully protested.

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 03:12 AM

This is a statement either from POK or from across the border only.The extremist leaders were kept under house arrest because they only spread the venomous propaganda against transfer of land and instigated violence by propmting some extremist youths.

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 03:14 AM

My paki brothers,

Can you people describe what was the logic for Kahmiri terrorits to drive out Kashmiri Pundits from their homes in the valley ,who had been living in the valley peacefully,in full communal harmony with the local Kahsmiri Muslims for centuries?

what's the logic behind denial of land to set up camps for Yathris?

Woud my Paki brothers care to answer this?

janab-e-ali · Aug 2nd, 2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gesto

This is a statement either from POK or from across the border only.The extremist leaders were kept under house arrest because they only spread the venomous propaganda against transfer of land and instigated violence by propmting some extremist youths.

Like I said, you're delusional.

By all recent surveys and polls (even the ones the Indian government likes to quote), less than 10% of us want to remain a part of India. And in this case, even the pro-India Kashmiris united with the rest of us to ensure that at the very least, no Indians would be getting hold of our land. Nor is this an issue of religious extremism, as much as you and your bigoted compatriots would like to believe otherwise...the exact same thing happened a few years back when the state government tried to transfer our land to private Indian businesses.

Not that any of this would concern a disgusting bigot who compares the Kashmiri people to animals who must be "beaten back into their holes" presumably by the occupation forces.

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 03:47 AM

^Dear Janab,you need not be emotional and need not call Indians in a reviled language.

Kindly tell us which survey report you are talking about?Come with a neutral survey report and not any Pak survey report,which is made for their own jubiliation,at their own obsession.

How manypeople are there out to protest in Srinagar?Those who are still protesting in Srinagar(I mean stone pelters) ,like I have said before,are just perverted ,disoriented youths,who have become toys at the hands of anti socials and terrorists.

As expected,the intensity of protests in Srinagar has come down and it will simply fade away in days to come.

BTW Can you people describe what was the logic for Kahmiri terrorits to drive out Kashmiri Pundits from their homes in the valley ,who had been living in the valley peacefully,in full communal harmony with the local Kahsmiri Muslims for centuries?

janab-e-ali · Aug 2nd, 2008, 04:12 AM

New Delhi's Center for the Study of Developing Societies carried out a survey in Kashmir in 2007...87% favored independence.

The MORI survey of 2002, which you'll see quoted frequently quoted in official Indian government publications, found that only 9% of those interviewed in Kashmir believed in remaining a part of India. The same survey also found that while 65% of Kashmiris considered the Indian army to be guilty of widespread human rights violations, only 2% though the same of the militants. Of course, you won't see these particular findings in the government publications...the government just glosses over all of that and focuses on the more pro-India findings in Jammu.

As far as the protests are concerned, before the land transfer was revoked, there were estimated crowds in the tens-hundreds of thousands in Srinagar alone. The protests obviously died down when the Indian authorities were forced to revoke the illegal land transfer...but what do you think is going to happen if this blockade doesn't end soon? You think people are going to sit back contentedly as basic supplies run low, and millions of rupees worth of merchandise is destroyed on that Jammu highway? Like I've said before...the Indians have truly done a wonderful job of uniting the usually fragmented Kashmiri political leadership with this whole land transfer issue...who knows, maybe India's attempt to grab our land will turn out to be a blessing in disguise for us.

As far as my language is concerned...you've already described us as animals who need a beating. If you're going to make disgusting comments like that, then I have no problem referring to you as a bigot.

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 04:27 AM

I said that about protesting youngsters and sure they are going back to their homes only,one by one.I also can use these words,but then there wont be any difference.

This is the third time I am posting the below questions?

Can you people describe what was the logic for Kahmiri terrorits to drive out Kashmiri Pundits from their homes in the valley ,who had been living in the valley peacefully,in full communal harmony with the local Kahsmiri Muslims for centuries?

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 04:37 AM

As far as the protests are concerned, before the land transfer was revoked, there were estimated crowds in the hundreds of thousands in Srinagar alone. The protests obviously died down when the Indian authorities were forced to revoke the illegal land transfer...but what do you think is going to happen if this blockade doesn't end soon? You think people are going to sit back contentedly as basic supplies run low, and millions of rupees worth of merchandise is destroyed on that Jammu highway? Like I've said before...the Indians have truly done a wonderful job of uniting the usually fragmented Kashmiri political leadership with this whole land transfer issue...who knows, maybe India's attempt to grab our land will turn out to be a blessing in disguise for us.

Dear Janabji,this is called delusion.There may be a chance that some people will come out in the street in Srinagar but if the blockade does not end now,then ofcourse the central government will be forced to take a favourable action for transferring the land back to Yathris.The government cannot afford losing it's support in Jammu and rest of India.As far as your boon in disguise is concerned,it is just hysterical.The nation has witnessed so many protests like that and it can surely afford to have one more.

Have u gone through yesterday's news?Even the P.D.P which was whining for reversal of land law,has complied to Jammu's protest and have come forard for talks .

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 04:39 AM

[quote=janab-e-ali;5974204]New Delhi's Center for the Study of Developing Societies carried out a survey in Kashmir in 2007...87% favored independence.

The MORI survey of 2002, which you'll see quoted frequently quoted in official Indian government publications, found that only 9% of those interviewed in Kashmir believed in remaining a part of India. The same survey also found that while 65% of Kashmiris considered the Indian army to be guilty of widespread human rights violations, only 2% though the same of the militants. Of course, you won't see these particular findings in the government publications...the government just glosses over all of that and focuses on the more pro-India findings in Jammu.

Where is link?We are waiting for it.

janab-e-ali · Aug 2nd, 2008, 04:45 AM

I've posted plenty on that issue before. I don't see the need to repeat myself.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-aff...l?#post5904709
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-aff...l?#post5904759
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-aff...l?#post5906004

You'll also be hard pressed to find a Kashmiri Muslim who doesn't believe that the Pandits never should have left, and should return to their homes. Of course, I have yet to see one of you Indians condemn your army's war crimes against the Kashmiri Muslim population...and I'm not holding my breath either.

janab-e-ali · Aug 2nd, 2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gesto

Have u gone through yesterday's news?Even the P.D.P which was whining for reversal of land law,has complied to Jammu's protest and have come forard for talks .

Mufti Muhammad Sayeed has actually joined in the demand for the opening of the Muzaffarabad/Rawalpindi highway, and compared the terrorists you're supporting to the Israelis.

New Delhi's Center for the Study of Developing Societies carried out a survey in Kashmir in 2007...87% favored independence.
87 pct in Kashmir Valley want independence - poll | International | Reuters

The MORI survey of 2002, which you'll see quoted frequently quoted in official Indian government publications, found that only 9% of those interviewed in Kashmir believed in remaining a part of India. The same survey also found that while 65% of Kashmiris considered the Indian army to be guilty of widespread human rights violations, only 2% though the same of the militants. Of course, you won't see these particular findings in the government publications...the government just glosses over all of that and focuses on the more pro-India findings in Jammu.
And on the crucial question of nationality 9% of those in and around Srinagar said they would be better off staying Indian, while 13% would opt to become citizens of Pakistan.

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 05:03 AM

This is a clear example of evading yourself from the reality.If you have said something,contrary to facts ,you need to produce links or supporting facts also.Merely typing something,can not force us to believe.It will only help you to give yourself some bits of satisfaction for typing.

I have asked for the reasons and not any kind of ideology which has emnated from any Kashmiri Muslim's thought.

janab-e-ali · Aug 2nd, 2008, 05:14 AM

None other than Farooq Abdullah, India's most loyal Kashmiri lap dog, and the man who was in power at the time of the exodus, has admitted the same:

There is a continuous propaganda going on that Kashmiri Pandits were thrown out by the Kashmiri Muslims. Do you agree with that?
No I don’t agree with that. But the situation was such that they were frightened that they could be a target. And the Governor of that time Jagmohan told them to go away for some time promising them that they will be brought back.

So Jagmohan instigated their exodus?
Yes of course he did it. I have always said that. I am on record to say that.
Kashmir Affairs - Security & Conflict Analysis of Kashmir

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 05:14 AM

India and Pakistan have fought and argued over the Himalayan region ever since partition in 1947, but 87 percent of people questioned in Srinagar have no allegiance to either side.

Only 3 percent of the mainly Muslim inhabitants of the city think Kashmir should become part of Pakistan, and 7 percent prefer Indian rule, the poll said.

But down in Jammu, the state's mainly Hindu winter capital in the plains to the south, 95 percent think Kashmir should be part of India.

So pakistan is ruled out of Kashmir.Now only two parties remain Inda and Kashmir.Ofcourse Jammu stays with India.India is more popular than Pakistan in Kashmir.

Let's come back with other polls.

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 05:19 AM

If youare too much relying on this anti India site then,pls read these lines also....

If you think you will get azadi or become part of Pakistan you are dreaming. Kashmir will always remain with India. Even the Hurriyat leaders who fooled people with the slogans of azadi have now realised that they can’t achieve it and are talking with India both openly and secretly. They have realised the futility of hollow slogans. What is possible and what we could get is complete internal autonomy .............................

So Janab,whats your opinion now?

janab-e-ali · Aug 2nd, 2008, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by gesto

So pakistan is ruled out of Kashmir.Now only two parties remain Inda and Kashmir.Ofcourse Jammu stays with India.India is more popular than Pakistan in Kashmir.

And the other poll shows that joining Pakistan is slightly more popular than staying in India. India is as "ruled out" as Pakistan is.

One thing is clear though all of these polls...the vast majority of the population wants nothing to do with India.

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Originally Posted by gesto

If you think you will get azadi or become part of Pakistan you are dreaming. Kashmir will always remain with India.

And if you, in your colonial arrogance, think that your country can suppress the will of 90% of Kashmir forever, then you're dreaming. The British and the French swore up and down that they would never have to abandon their colonies...and yet, one by one, they were kicked out.

We will never submit to being ruled over by bigots who call us animals, and threaten us with economic destruction so they can get their filthy paws on our land.

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 08:15 AM

^ Good. Draem on my brother.I wish youall the best.But do not be so much excited.

Dear Janab,British and French had colonized other countries and territories but how come India can just give away it's integral territory?

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 08:16 AM

If you think you will get azadi or become part of Pakistan you are dreaming. Kashmir will always remain with India. Even the Hurriyat leaders who fooled people with the slogans of azadi have now realised that they can’t achieve it and are talking with India both openly and secretly. They have realised the futility of hollow slogans. What is possible and what we could get is complete internal autonomy .............................

This statement is not mine brother,but Mr.Farooq's.Pls go through your own link .

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 08:20 AM

Dear Janab Sahib,Pls go throuh it answer us.

(This is taken from my earlier post to one thread).......

Thosewho think Kashmir will get independence one day ,pls come out of their palace of dreams.It;s high time that you people get over your delusions of grandeur.

1)Neither India Nor pak want a war

2)Kashmir terrorism and seperatism have lost all their supports and even the U.S calling the outfits ,as terrorists, and have listed them as terrorist organzations.

3)No scope for plebiscite

4)Kashmir terrorism has no calibre to pose a threat to the mighty Indian army.

5)The immediate helps terrorists can get,apart from Pakistan,is from Afghanistan,where Taliban is on run and even their Pak roosts are being destroyed by the superior NATO( US ) power.

6)Muslim nations do not utter a word about Kashmir.

7)More Terrorists resort to violence,India get more support both nationally and internationally.(Thehighlight....)

So pls telll us how the `utopian Kahmir independence' can be worked out?

ajtr · Aug 2nd, 2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by janab-e-ali

Borrowing another page from the Israeli play-book, it appears that Hindu terrorists in Jammu are trying to get their way by enforcing a economic blockade along the only roads connecting Kashmir to India...evidently with the full support of local police (no big surprise there).

Perhaps some good will come of it...as agitation for the reopening of the Muzaffarabad/Rawalpindi highway is rapidly increasing.

Fanatic Mobs Rule Highway

Srinagar, July 31, KONS: Violent mobs held up Kashmiri goods carriers and taxis at various places along the Jammu-Srinagar highway this morning, looting and smashing the vehicles and beating the drivers and passengers mercilessly.

In Srinagar hundreds of Kashmiri drivers staged angry protests in Lal Chowk against the attacks on their colleagues by Hindu communalists in Jammu and Udhampur.
Reports said that violent mobs held up Kashmiri goods carriers and taxis in Udhampur this morning, looting and smashing the vehicles and beating the drivers and passengers mercilessly.

Six Sumo taxis were stopped in Udhampur, and activists of the BJP and the Shiv Sena, beating up nine occupants, including two women, of one of the vehicles, whose driver, Sartaj Ahmad, was left with a broken arm by the violent mob.
The miscreants then smashed the windowpanes of all the six vehicles, reports said.
Similar incidents were witnessed in Ramban, Kathua, Samba, Batote, Kud and several other places.

The injured driver, Sartaj Ahmad, who was among the protestors today, said that the Jammu police was present on the scene when their vehicles were attacked, but took no steps to rescue them.

A truck driver, Ghulam Muhammad Ganai of Tapar, Pattan, told the KNS on phone from Udhampur, that he and his fellow drivers were trying to proceed towards Jammu for the past four days but were not being allowed to move forward by Hindu fanatics.

He said that fanatic mobs stopped a truck (JK05 4647) this morning, pulled the driver down and gave him a severe thrashing after looting his vehicle and setting it ablaze.

Drivers stranded in Kathua and Samba had similar tales to tell, saying that Hindu fanatics were targeting Kashmiri drivers with violence.

According to reports, the trucks that were attacked, damaged and sought to be torched included those bearing the following registration markings: JK05A 8795, JK05A 1988, JK05A 6959, and JK05D 0830.

This morning, hundreds of truck drivers assembled in the press enclave and marched through various parts of the central city, alleging that the police was being a mute spectator as Sangh Parivar rioters targeted vehicles and passengers in Jammu and Udhampur.

A protesting driver from the lower city said that yesterday he had been dragged out of his Sumo Taxi by Hindu rioters in Udhampur, and beaten up and his vehicle damaged.

Another driver from Kupwara said that the fanatic mobs are so frustrated that they fly into a rage at the mere mention of the word Kashmir and start attacking and beating up people.

“The irony is that the police and the administration takes no action against the attackers, proving that the violence has official backing,” he said.

The economic blockade of Kashmir announced by the BJP and its allies has snapped the only supply line to the valley, raising the prospect of serious shortages of petrol, diesel and food-grains in the coming days.

Riotous mobs in Jammu prevented any goods carriers to enter Kashmir since Wednesday, leaving hundreds of supply-laden trucks stranded on the far side of the Jawahar tunnel.

The situation over the shrine board issue has taken a serious turn in Jammu as several parts of the city remain under curfew, with the BJP and its communal cohorts adopting a hostile stance against the state governor, and political parties, including the Hurriyat Conference, National Conference and the PDP.

The VHP-Bajrangdal led communal conglomerate has launched a Quit Jammu campaign against Kashmiri Muslims based in Jammu.

The multi-party alliance spearheading the anti-Kashmir agitation in Jammu, the Amarnath Yatra Sangharsh Samiti, on Wednesday announced an economic blockade of the Kashmir valley, ordering all Kashmir-bound truck operators to halt their movements for the next three days.

Div Com reviews essential supplies

The Divisional Commissioner Kashmir, Masaud Samoon today held a high level meeting to take stock of the availability of essential commodities including petrol and petroleum products.

The meeting among others was attended by IGP Kashmir S. M. Sahai, Deputy Commissioner Srinagar and Additional Commissioner Kashmir.

The meeting, while expressing satisfaction over the availability of essentials, informed that stocks are sufficient for about a month and there is no scarcity of essentials.
The meeting also discussed, among other matters, the problems confronted to the fruit growers and various traders of the valley.

It was told in the meeting if people of any area require essential commodities, they can contact phone number 2481276.

Fanatic Mobs Rule Highway

hai ALLAH tere banaye huyee kaynat main tere bandon par yeh zulm.bahut na-insafi hai....bahut na=insafi hai

VetriVelan · Aug 2nd, 2008, 10:33 AM

Looking at some posts here I am reminded of a dinner some time ago in Montreal. There were people who had some link or other to almost all the "movements" - The Kashmiri separatist, the LTTE, the son of an ex-Khalistani. And it was an informal et together in a Pakistani friend's house. It was at once one of the most interesting yet disturbing conversations I've been too. The LTTE guy was talking about how Tamils had been treated and the atrocities against them (which frankly brought tears to all all eyes) the others were always talking about 'various feats' against India that their groups had performed. It was so embarassing that even the Pakistani host (who was most gracious by the way during the whole evening) had to sometimes step in and say things like "ofcourse our own Pakistan govt...." etc.

The son of the Khalistan sympathizer actually at one point said he himself personally was always against any separation but could never speak against the will of his dad. He wasn't a little embarassed that his dad was now helping him and his other son together build a second house in Delhi, next to each other and was putting mild pressure for him to return and live together there in Delhi!

The Kashmiri separatist sympathiser was the only one who kept getting angry everyother sentence. He was the angriest whenever the Pakistani host tried to chime in with a mia culpa about Pakistani govt (Frankly I think the host did that to make sure me the Indian didn't feel too bad in his house...he is that kind of such a nice generous guy) but none of us were ever clear about what exactly the Kashmiri separatist dude was angry about - his parents were well educated, his siblings were well settled, none o fthem had ever faced any problems or confrontations - all we could conclude was it was the fashinable thing to do.

After a couple of years when passing through Delhi, I dropped in on the Khalistani sympathizer and after a great meal recollected the above get together and conversations with his son in Canada. Imagine my surprise - he said Bindranwale made so many mistakes that they themselves could no longer understand the mission anymore and the more they learnt about overtures from 'outside' that a large number of them just lost all interest and quit mentally. He regrets the whole movement and i shappily playing with grand children, walks 6 miles every day and lives in fear that his grand children never learn about that chapter of his life

gesto · Aug 2nd, 2008, 11:02 AM

Paunjab Terrorism couldn ever win the heart of Punjabi people.

chintu_bhopali · Aug 2nd, 2008, 04:53 PM

^^ dont try to argue with a crying baby. he is gonna cry is whole life and nthin will happen

ajtr · Aug 2nd, 2008, 08:23 PM

Hindu intifada

Images can have a profound impact and make a lasting impression even on the most cynical among us. They can also act as a force multiplier in a conflict zone. Recall the photographs and television footage of teenaged Palestinian boys in Gaza and the West Bank confronting Israeli tanks armed with no more than shepherd's slings; of young men, their faces half-covered with handkerchiefs and kafiyeh, racing through billowing clouds of tear gas to hurl stones at soldiers armed with assault rifles; of middle-aged and old women violating police pickets and defying curfew. That was the first time we heard of a little-used Arabic word, intifada, which literally means to shake off but in recent times has come to mean a rebellion premised on the Biblical tale of David vanquishing Goliath, a relentless mass protest born of festering anger, deep-seated grievance and overwhelming, uncontrollable rage.

We are witnessing a similar intifada in Jammu province where young and old, men and women, are locked in an unequal battle with the police -- and, since Friday, the Army -- demanding the immediate revocation of the Government order cancelling the transfer of 800 kanals of land to the Sri Amarnath Shrine Board. The land was meant for creating temporary facilities for pilgrims who trek to the Amarnath shrine every year, braving inclement weather and jihadi attacks. This time, it's a Hindu intifada, an outpouring of pent-up anger which has brought life in Jammu and other towns and villages in the province to a standstill.

It's been more than a month that the Hindus of Jammu have taken to the streets, burning tyres, taunting policemen, braving tear gas and real bullets, violating curfew and blockading the highway to Srinagar. The images emanating from Jammu are eerily similar to those that emanated from Gaza and the West Bank during the Palestinian intifada. More tellingly, the tactics that have been adopted by the protesters are those that have often brought Kashmir Valley to a standstill. If you look at the photographs of the Hindu intifada, you will get a sense of how Jammu has decided to give Kashmir a taste of its own medicine -- in this case it is Dum Dum dawai.

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