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Nov 16th, 2008, 08:29 AM
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I am still confused about this question. I wonder what Jews think of themselves. Is it a religion or a race?
In other words, if a Chinese person accepts their religion, would they call him a Jew? Or is it that a person is a Jew by birth only?
What do you guys think?
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Nov 16th, 2008, 08:34 AM
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judaism is a religion and jews are the people who practice it..
like our religion is islam and we are practicing muslims 
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Nov 16th, 2008, 08:36 AM
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most chinese people practice Buddhism so they will be called buddhists
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Nov 16th, 2008, 08:51 AM
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judaism is a religion and jews are the people who practice it..
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I believe you are saying that Judaism is not a race. If this is true then why do many Zionist Jews compare Jews vs. "Arabs"? Shouldn't they be comparing Jews vs Muslims?
It looks like they still consider being Jew to be belonging to a race, and not necessarily belonging to a religion.
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Nov 16th, 2008, 09:02 AM
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I believe you are saying that Judaism is not a race. If this is true then why do many Zionist Jews compare Jews vs. "Arabs"? Shouldn't they be comparing Jews vs Muslims?
It looks like they still consider being Jew to be belonging to a race, and not necessarily belonging to a religion.
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hmm well i wouldnt know the answer to tht question, but there are three main races include black, white, and asian,
The geographical-race theory
In an effort to reconcile the theory of evolution with the observed variations among the world's populations, some anthropologists developed a new system of racial classification during the 1950's. They divided human beings into large categories called geographical races. These races were collections of populations that exhibited similar characteristics. One popular classification system recognized nine geographical races: (1) African, (2) American Indian, (3) Asian, (4) Australian, (5) European, (6) Indian, (7) Melanesian, (8) Micronesian, and (9) Polynesian.
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Nov 16th, 2008, 09:05 AM
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ASIANS
EAST ASIAN
The largest human racial group consists of East Asians and includes Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Philippines, Indonesians, Malayans, and Thais. East Asians have sometimes been called Mongoloids, meaning "like Mongols." Mongols have straight, black hair and generally a wide, flat face with such features as sparse beard and moustache, and a fold of skin (the epicanthic fold) that covers at least the inner corner of the eye and gives it an almond-shaped appearance. Most East Asians share these features and certain characteristics of the teeth, but the peoples of Southeast Asia are generally smaller, darker, and more slender than those farther north. In fact, people of South China tend to resemble other Southeast Asians more than they do North Chinese. Also, it is not always possible to distinguish Chinese people from Koreans and Japanese on the basis of physical characteristics. Throughout history the peoples of the region have migrated and intermixed, so that national boundaries do not coincide with discrete subraces in modern Asia.
again source same as above
hope it answers your question
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Nov 16th, 2008, 10:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Abbas
I am still confused about this question. I wonder what Jews think of themselves. Is it a religion or a race?
In other words, if a Chinese person accepts their religion, would they call him a Jew? Or is it that a person is a Jew by birth only?
What do you guys think?
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It's complicated, in principle Judaism should be a religion and shouldn't be treated as race. But in reality is Jews treat themselves as a superior race (a favored race by the God, which is true to some extent). Most of the prophets came to this world were Israelites (read Bani-Israel for further details), and it is also mentioned in Quran that they were the God's favorite.
As far as I know, you can't convert to be a jew for abvious reason that you have to be an Israelite to be a jew. 
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Nov 16th, 2008, 11:42 AM
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To be born a Jew, your mother has to be one. She could have converted, or could have been born into it (i.e. her mother being a Jew).
It's not a race, it's a religion.
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Nov 17th, 2008, 01:15 AM
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Thats my question too.
in many articles, they mention 'Jews' as if a separate race. like i read some article about the new Obama team. they wrote "American-Jew" for the Jewish member(forgot his name" and "Amerian-Indian" for Sonal Shah.
but also there are so many Jews who are not Israelites.
so how do the logic work?
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Nov 17th, 2008, 07:54 AM
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1. According to Ashkenazi Jews, at least one of your parents has to be a Jew for one to be considered a Jew.
2. According to a book I read many years ago, there are 5 distinct races: (1) Caucasoid, (2) Mongoloid, (3) Negroid, (4) Australoid and (5) Pygmies of Africa (a vanishing race). There is no such thing as a pure race.
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Nov 17th, 2008, 08:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MatineeSiren
To be born a Jew, your mother has to be one. She could have converted, or could have been born into it (i.e. her mother being a Jew).
It's not a race, it's a religion.
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i didnt know tht............... 
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Nov 17th, 2008, 04:23 PM
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Judaism is a religion duh.
I think the point your trying to make is, if Jews are not a race then why Zionists claim this to be or why even Jews do this?
Well for one, Jews are known for their corrupt beliefs. All the bad characteristics in this world you can find in a Jew. They are cowards yet arrogant and hypocrites. That is why Allah has cursed them till the the day of Judgement! Just look at history, they were kicked out of every single place they wanted to settle into. Why? Because of their "I am God's chosen one" mentality. Anyways, Zionists on the other hand, are extreme version. They use Judaism as a shield but and proclaim it's a race (by recalling all "suffering" they've been through)... in actuality it's not suffering, it's humiliation, a punishment from Allah.
Islam cannot accept or agree to a situation which is half-Islam and half-Jahiliyyah ... The mixing and co-existence of the truth and falsehood is impossible.
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Nov 18th, 2008, 09:05 PM
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I worked with a Jewish Family a few years ago. They were both Jewish in Religion as well as heritage. I asked them this exact question and their answer was very simple.
Anyone who beleaves and accepts 'The God Of Abraham' as their own God, is then considered to be Jewish. This is the same as those who accept Jesus as the Son of God (of Abraham), is then considered a Christian.
But, even those who do not accept any God at all, can still be Jewish by Heritage.
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Nov 18th, 2008, 09:07 PM
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quick correction....those who accept the God of Abraham must also deny all other Gods.
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Nov 18th, 2008, 10:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketplaya
Judaism is a religion duh.
I think the point your trying to make is, if Jews are not a race then why Zionists claim this to be or why even Jews do this?
Well for one, Jews are known for their corrupt beliefs. All the bad characteristics in this world you can find in a Jew. They are cowards yet arrogant and hypocrites. That is why Allah has cursed them till the the day of Judgement! Just look at history, they were kicked out of every single place they wanted to settle into. Why? Because of their "I am God's chosen one" mentality. Anyways, Zionists on the other hand, are extreme version. They use Judaism as a shield but and proclaim it's a race (by recalling all "suffering" they've been through)... in actuality it's not suffering, it's humiliation, a punishment from Allah.
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Talk about stereotyping. If they are cowards how come they were able to defeat the six nations that went to war with them. Jews are the most advanced people in this planet. Take any great company and you would find a jew in a very good position.
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Nov 19th, 2008, 07:46 AM
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Most Jews are of the Semetic race. The Semetic race also includes most arabs.
However, European Jews have a lot of "white" mixed into them.
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Nov 19th, 2008, 10:17 AM
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Its a race.
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Nov 22nd, 2008, 12:41 PM
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^ Then Judaism is racism.
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Nov 22nd, 2008, 06:28 PM
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Jews are the most advanced people in this planet.
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Talk about stereotyping!
Jews are as good and as bad as other people in the countries they live in. Being advanced has nothing to do with race or religion.
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Take any great company and you would find a jew in a very good position.
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What a foolish argument. How about Japan? China?
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Nov 22nd, 2008, 06:36 PM
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1. According to Ashkenazi Jews, at least one of your parents has to be a Jew for one to be considered a Jew.
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So Judaism is racism?!
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Nov 22nd, 2008, 06:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zxcvb
Most Jews are of the Semetic race. The Semetic race also includes most arabs.
However, European Jews have a lot of "white" mixed into them.
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It is true that original Jews were Semite. But majority of present day Jews are Ashkenazi, who are Khazar converts.
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Nov 23rd, 2008, 02:42 AM
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Jew became associated with race because of Jews living in Europe had semetic features which made them stand out from Europeans
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Nov 23rd, 2008, 12:08 PM
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If Judaism is not a race then why do Israeli Zionists talk about "Arabs vs. Jews" instead of talking about "Arabs vs. Israelis"?
If being Jewish is religion than how can it be compared with being Arab (which is a race/nation)?! If Judaism is religion than its comparison can only be made with Islam (which is another religion).
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Nov 23rd, 2008, 07:23 PM
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If Judaism is not a race then why do Israeli Zionists talk about "Arabs vs. Jews" instead of talking about "Arabs vs. Israelis"?
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Because the conflict has taken the form of all Jews living in Israel vs all Muslim Arabs. For example, when Hezbollah fired Katusha rockets into Israel during the 2006 War and killed Arabs, it apologized for that. But when it killed Jews it didn't even though those Jews could have been living in Israel before the European migration into Palestine.
And thus the conflict is that Arab Nationalism infused with Religious and Racist hatred for Jews vs Israel.
And since Arabs are the only ones fighting Israel it becomes a Jewish vs Arab conflict.
Kind of like if all muslims in England were being beaten up by whites, it would become a Anglo-Saxon vs Muslim conflict.
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Originally Posted by Prince Abbas
If being Jewish is religion than how can it be compared with being Arab (which is a race/nation)?! If Judaism is religion than its comparison can only be made with Islam (which is another religion).
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Judiasm is seen by many Arabs as a religion of traitors, pigs and monkeys. Arabs consider Jews to be sub-human and supported Hitler during the Holocaust in World War II. They use out of context portions of the Quran to justify this non-sense.
But because it is mostly Arabs who share this non-nonsensical view of Jews it is thus shown as an Arab vs Jew conflict and not an Jew vs Islam conflict.
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Nov 23rd, 2008, 11:53 PM
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The political leanings of the conflict are to fuel the image of a small country trying to survive against the entire Arab world. Sadly that is not the case. The Arabs in Chad, Darfur, CAR don't really care what Lebanon or Syria do. The idea is to protray Israel as the weak victim when infact it is the aggressor and very easily a nation of war criminals. Who oddly enough become prime minister!
It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.
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