burqaposhx

You know what bro!

It is not good to stretch truth to serve your narrow purpose. Many Islamists these days are committing the same mistake. I hope and pray that you are not one of them.

First you ask others to "use common sense", then at the very next moment you ignore the same old common sense.

Haven't you learned that Quran (or any book for that matter) SHOULD not be quoted out of context????

If you did, then you would not be quoting 33:59 WITHOUT providing the context.

33:59 is part of a full story that perhaps starts at 33:53.

This part of HOLY Quran is dealing with a particular situation, where Mohammad pbuh was being harassed by bunch of lowly uncouth Buddoos.

these Buddoos would show up unannounced and try to push their way through Muhammad pbuh house. Then there were hypocrites who were hounding newly converted Muslim men and women.

In order to stop all that uncouthness, Allah says cover yourself. This is nothing different from what we would in WAR Time, or during an anarchy.

However in a perfectly peaceful time where Muslim women are respected, and they are not living among uncouth Buddoos, the context of 33:59 does not apply.


Here is the context. Try to read it first before jumping on conclusions. Thank you.


For the rest of your quotations, try reading the contest too.



[33.53] O you who believe! do not enter the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to you for a meal, not waiting for its cooking being finished-- but when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken the food, then disperse-- not seeking to listen to talk; surely this gives the Prophet trouble, but he forbears from you, and Allah does not forbear from the truth And when you ask of them any goods, ask of them from behind a curtain; this is purer for your hearts and (for) their hearts; and it does not behove you that you should give trouble to the Apostle of Allah, nor that you should marry his wives after him ever; surely this is grievous in the sight of Allah.
[33.54] If you do a thing openly or do it in secret, then surely Allah is Cognizant of all things.
[33.55] There is no blame on them in respect of their fathers, nor their brothers, nor their brothers' sons, nor their sisters' sons nor their own women, nor of what their right hands possess; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is a witness of all things.
[33.56] Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.
[33.57] Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Apostle, Allah has cursed them in this world and the here after, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace.
[33.58] And those who speak evil things of the believing men and the believing women without their having earned (it), they are guilty indeed of a false accusation and a manifest sin.
[33.59] O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[33.60] If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist, We shall most certainly set you over them, then they shall not be your neighbors in it but for a little while;

Slickstar

Is this modesty? is it?

fayax

I dont have to try harder at all. There is NO compulsion in religion. You dont have to become a Muslim. But once you do, its not a revolving door. Thats the law. Period.

fayax

Well conveyed. Thanks.

CM

Amazing Shamraz. No moral back bone at all. Its a simple equation. If you believe in universal human rights, you defend them regardless of the country, the color of the person's skin or their ethnicity.

You on the other hand do the opposite. You base your support on human rights based on the lighter skin color. Well done on being an Uncle tom.

To prove you are a hypocrit I will use your own words.

You support laws that are compatible with their values - for the french. Yet you denounce Saudi Arabia for keeping laws that are compatible with their values. See the hypocrasy? Well done.

I guess the concept of morality means nothing to you.

hollowman

Sarkozy der se aaya par Durrust farmaya I agree with Frenchy

Slickstar

the universal deceleration of human rights is anti Islamic.

Croquet

brilliant

Yea_Boii

Sarkozy, is a complete idiot. While, I'm no fan of burqas, if a woman can be naked or almost naked in France, then wny can't she be completely covered up? If it's a woman choice to wear a burqa, I don't see why the government is jumping up and down to take that freedom away.

test01

A few points;

1. There is an issue with identity and not just on ports but elsewhere too. A couple of weeks ago a couple of men dressed in burqas robbed a jewellery store in UK for instance. So face covering garments may be unacceptable in banks and jewellery stores.

2. Many non-Muslims living in Muslim lands such as sikhs, hindus, xtians in Pakistan were living there “form the beginning” so to speak and really have no choice. In contrast Muslim immigrants to west knew they were moving to non Islamic states and that's where their children would be brought up. No one promised them anything special that majority did not approve of. Most Muslims still can go back to their ancestral lands owning to dual citizenship. So Islamic concept of Hijra is a real option unless they want to stick around for worldy gains.

test01

Human rights for those who don't believe in them? From that stand I think French should kick anyone’s back side back to their own countries who, do not believe in human rights as a matter of principal. Let not the intolerant reap the benefits of tolerance. That’s what spoiled them in the first place.

test01

janab-e-ali

Thieves have often used ski masks and bandannas to conceal their identities. I don't see you, or anyone else for that matter, supporting a wholesale national law banning those garments. But ski masks aren't traditionally associated with a religion you hate, so they must be okay.

1. So did you feel the same way when French Sikhs tried to appeal to UNHRC, and Indian officials directly appealed to French authorities in an attempt to get the turban ban repealed? Or was that all okay, because you don't hate Sikhs?

2. On what basis are you claiming that most have access to dual citizenship? Have you done a survey of citizenship laws across the Muslim world, and compared that to Muslim demographic data from France?

3. And what about native born Muslims in the West? Apparently you don't realize that they exist. In the US, native born African Americans are the single largest racial group among Muslims.

simplyme

If I had a store and somebody comes in wearing a ski mask, I know that he isnt there to shop.


They are always fee to emigrate to another country. Saudi Arabia comes to mind. If you are the citizen of a country and understand that you cannot follow the laws of the land, then it is time to pack up and move.If the citizen muslims find it difficutl to follow the laws of the land emigrate to a muslim friendly country. I dont know if SA allows citizenship to suffering muslims though.

shami2k

Islam is not a country nor does Islam prevents anyone from changing their religion.

There is No Compulsion in Religion, Source: The Holy Quran and the Prophet's teachings

Slickstar

nah bro you are wrong.

If you change religions you have caused treason and therefore are to be executed. stop corrupting us with your western version of Islam.

fayax

Finally you got it right!

hareem01

Sarkozy is a joker.

picoico

Was just there last week, and saw several Burkah-clad ladies in Instanbul. Banned from Universities and gov. offices, but not in the country.

afishcurry

You do realize if pagans of Meccah had same rule as you are professing then early followers of islam wud have been executed there and then and there would have been nothing like Islam as you know as of today....