Ethnic cleansing was evidently a systematic component of the terrorists’ strategic agenda in J&K, and estimates suggest that, just between February and March 1990, 140,000 to 160,000 Pandits had fled the Kashmir Valley to Jammu, Delhi, or other parts of the country. Simultaneously, there were a number of high-profile killings of senior Hindu officials, intellectuals and prominent personalities. Eventually, an estimated 400,000 Pandits – over 95 per cent of their original population in the Valley – became part of the neglected statistic of 'internal refugees' who were pushed out of their homes as a result of this campaign of terror.
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Again, its not me, its your own occupation government.
According to official government reports, a grand total of 209 Pandits have been killed from 1989-2008. I imagine that figure also includes Pandits who were killed by Indian troops in some of the large scale massacres, as well as targeted killings of Pandits sympathetic to the independence movement. If anything, the government's interest lies in exaggerating the number of Pandit deaths, as it allows them to justify the subsequent massacre of Muslims to bigoted simpletons like yourself.
For all your play with words, you are nothing but a bigot with fancy ideas about Kashmir who sits behind a computer screen & day dreams. Do you even know what you are talking about here ? Have you ever visited Kashmir/India ?? Have you spoken with a Kashmiri Pandit or visited a refugee camp ??
The govt's interest does not lie in exaggerating or even accurately stating the number of Pandit deaths or their migration since that exposes their inability to protect them. Moreover it gives the opposition fodder to ask the govt to repeal Article 370.
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I never claimed they moved voluntarily. I said that their migration, although unfortunate, was more consistent with the ideology of Partition - minority populations leaving for areas where their communities were the majority.
The majority of Kashmiris want India out. Again, its amazing how two-faced Indians like yourself pretend to be a champion of the masses when you see a chance to destablize a country you don't like (as in Iran), but when it comes to the will of the masses in Kashmir, you show your true bigoted colors.
Iran ?? Wow !! Here's another one of your hair brained theories...What makes you think India does not like Iran ? Get your facts right and then we will talk....
As I said before Kashmiri separatists are a minority in India. They are welcome to stay as part of India, and free to move out if thats what they choose.
For all your play with words, you are nothing but a bigot with fancy ideas about Kashmir who sits behind a computer screen & day dreams. Do you even know what you are talking about here ? Have you ever visited Kashmir/India ?? Have you spoken with a Kashmiri Pandit or visited a refugee camp ??
Iran ?? Wow !! Here's another one of your hair brained theories...What makes you think India does not like Iran ? Get your facts right and then we will talk....
As I said before Kashmiri separatists are a minority in India. They are welcome to stay as part of India, and free to move out if thats what they choose.
lol... Your disgusting. Have YOU ever been in Kashmir and have YOU ever visited these poor sufferng Pandits in there wretched impovrished camps, and im not talking about J... (Pause or dramatic effect )
We dont hear from Pandits because they are living in peace, and not under occupation of your terrorist army.
And as for Iran, I believe Janab e ali was referring to he theocratic govt of Iran vs the Liberals who are now protesting.
And of course Kashmir separatists are minority in India, because Kashmiri separatists live in Kashmir, and have nothing to do with India. Thats like saying Pakistanis are a minority in India..
Separatists however ARE a Majority in Kashmir where they count, and thats not even including Azad Kashmir!
And like YOU yourself said, if Hindus and Sikhs could leave Muslim majority Pakistan at the time of partition, then youshould have no problem with Kashmiri Pandits leaving Muslim majority Kashmir... You shot your self in the foot that time.
So go cry over your Pandits, because the measly handful of wretched Pandits is the only saving grace you have left...
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lol... Your disgusting. Have YOU ever been in Kashmir and have YOU ever visited these poor sufferng Pandits in there wretched impovrished camps, and im not talking about J... (Pause or dramatic effect )
Yes, I have Next question ?
Btw, have you ever stepped out of the cave that you live in ??
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And of course Kashmir separatists are minority in India, because Kashmiri separatists live in Kashmir, and have nothing to do with India. Thats like saying Pakistanis are a minority in India..
Separatists however ARE a Majority in Kashmir where they count, and thats not even including Azad Kashmir!
Stupid response as usual...Pakistanis are not a minority in India. They are non-existent !!
Think before you post next time.
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And like YOU yourself said, if Hindus and Sikhs could leave Muslim majority Pakistan at the time of partition, then youshould have no problem with Kashmiri Pandits leaving Muslim majority Kashmir... You shot your self in the foot that time.
So go cry over your Pandits, because the measly handful of wretched Pandits is the only saving grace you have left...
Kashmiri Pandits have already left Kashmir, so its a moot point now. But I have no problem with Kashmiris who are not happy with India moving out.
And you dont need to worry about the "measly handful of wretched Pandits". We are quite capable of taking care of them
Btw, have you ever stepped out of the cave that you live in ??
Stupid response as usual...Pakistanis are not a minority in India. They are non-existent !!
Think before you post next time.
Kashmiri Pandits have already left Kashmir, so its a moot point now. But I have no problem with Kashmiris who are not happy with India moving out.
And you dont need to worry about the "measly handful of wretched Pandits". We are quite capable of taking care of them
More likely you have been to Jammu, which is predomnantly Hindu, India nationalist, and predominantly bigoted. So that doesnt count.
Im in the US just like you are, so I guess we are both living in a cave?!?!
LOL.. Pakistanis are Non existant in India, as Kashmiri seperatists are non existant in India, because Kasmiri seperatists live in KASHMIR! GET IT! Should I break it down further for you?!?!
Kashmiri Pandits can go to hell. And the reason you support Kashmiris leaving their homes is because ur a disgusting bigot, and massive hypocrite. Thats why we in Pakistan an the people of Kashmir hate you, and thats why we celebrate when such animals are killed by the dozen in places like Mumbai...
So no surprise there.
More likely you have been to Jammu, which is predomnantly Hindu, India nationalist, and predominantly bigoted. So that doesnt count.
Amazing !! So now you know where I have travelled too ??
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Im in the US just like you are, so I guess we are both living in a cave?!?!
Which asylum ??
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LOL.. Pakistanis are Non existant in India, as Kashmiri seperatists are non existant in India, because Kasmiri seperatists live in KASHMIR! GET IT! Should I break it down further for you?!?!
Kashmiri Pandits can go to hell. And the reason you support Kashmiris leaving their homes is because ur a disgusting bigot, and massive hypocrite. Thats why we in Pakistan an the people of Kashmir hate you, and thats why we celebrate when animals just like you are killed by the dozen in places like Mumbai...
So no surprise there.
Read your post after you write and you will know who the bigot/animal is here
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If you are quoting the 1981 census, pls provide a credible link - not the link to a book by some random author.
LOL...truly pathetic.
Every single reference (and I use the term loosely here) that you've posted as been nothing but totally unreferenced anti-Muslim propaganda. But fully referenced books by (Indian Hindu) scholars of the Kashmir conflict...those aren't credible enough for you. Hillarious.
The total state population has increased from 5,987,389 in 1981 to 10,143,700 in 2001...a 169% increase over 20 years. Applying the same rate of growth to the 1981 Pandit population, we get a total of 210,000 Pandits in 2001. Again, this 400,000 is so obviously absurd to anyone with so much as an iota of objectivity.
Nice try.
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For all your play with words, you are nothing but a bigot with fancy ideas about Kashmir who sits behind a computer screen & day dreams. Do you even know what you are talking about here ? Have you ever visited Kashmir/India ?? Have you spoken with a Kashmiri Pandit or visited a refugee camp ??
I've lived in Kashmir, both before and after 1989. I've done extensive human rights work with local NGOs. I've personally met more Kashmiri Pandits, both inside and outside of Kashmir, than you will ever even hear of in your entire <edit> life.
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As I said before Kashmiri separatists are a minority in India. They are welcome to stay as part of India, and free to move out if thats what they choose.
Another totally irrelevant and useless point.
Kashmiri separatists are not asking for all of India. If that were the case, then you might have had a point. Kashmiri separatists are the overwhelming majority in Kashmir, which is all that matters.
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Amazing !! So now you know where I have travelled too ??
Which asylum ??
Read your post after you write and you will know who the bigot/animal is here
I know the only place an Indian can go to and be truly welcome is to the Hindu dominated Jammu. In the real Kashmir, people want hardly anyting to do with you.
If you have been to the valley, it was probably to add to the misery of the people there...
I've lived in Kashmir, both before and after 1989. I've done extensive human rights work with local NGOs. I've personally met more Kashmiri Pandits, both inside and outside of Kashmir, than you will ever even hear of in your entire pathetic life.
I know the only place an Indian can go to and be truly welcome is to the Hindu dominated Jammu. In the real Kashmir, people want hardly anyting to do with you.
If you have been to the valley, it was probably to add to the misery of the people there...
I read my post, seems pretty accurate.
Laddakh too is buddhist hence peaceful and friendly towards everyone
BTW only place where a punjabi can be welcomes in pakistan is punjab everywhere else be it baluchistan or fata or wana they are detested ..so what do you say about pakistan and punjab
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Laddakh too is buddhist hence peaceful and friendly towards everyone
Ladakh has slightly more Muslims than Buddhists. There are only a handful of individual districts in the state that don't have a Muslim majority.
For the record, Kashmiris are known for their hospitality and friendliness. The fact that we aren't going to allow India to steal our dignity and basic human rights doesn't make us any less hospitable. Need I remind you that during the land transfer protests a year ago, when over a million Kashmiris were out on the streets protesting against the theft of our land, over 500,000 foreign Hindu pilgrims passed through our state without any incidents. In fact, local Kashmiris even organized free meals and accomodations for them when all the restaurants and hotels were closed down during the bandhs. All this when, down in the Hindu-majority districts of Jammu, Kashmiri truckers and taxi drivers were being attacked (and in some cases killed) to enforce the draconian economic blockade of the Valley, and entire Gujjar Muslim villages were burned to the ground by violent Hindu mobs.
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One kashmirir separatists leader checked his popularity in thsi election and poor guy lost his deposit so much for separatists being popular..
The way Pakistan is ebbing into chaos another decade and even those handful separatists will say they rather be with India than with pakistan
Don't hold your breath. Your people have been trying to delude themselves into thinking that Kashmir would happily resign itself to Indian occupation for over 60 years now. And yet, for decades every poll conducted in the region has shown that the overhwhelming majority of Kashmiris want nothing to do with India.
As for Sajid Lone, I find it amazing that you're reading so much into his defeat, especially considering the fact that his candidacy was so universally condemned by the separatists before the election. Even if you ignore that basic, basic fact, the defeat of one individual hardly constitutes the defeat of an entire ideology. To apply your utterly asinine logic...forget the one "separatist," hundreds of pro-India politicians were defeated in these elections...I guess for you that should be conclusive evidence that Indian rule is wildly unpopular.
Laddakh too is buddhist hence peaceful and friendly towards everyone
BTW only place where a punjabi can be welcomes in pakistan is punjab everywhere else be it baluchistan or fata or wana they are detested ..so what do you say about pakistan and punjab
Yeah, but they arent the ones being murdered by the Indian army are they?!?!
And like we said, if the people of Ladakh want to be Indian then more power to them.. Im sure the Kashmiris of the valley would be very friendly if your country were illeglly occupying their homeland. Because you are, i GUESS THEY HATE YOU
The vast majority of Kashmiris dont want anything to do with the Disgusting state of India. Go debate them if you have a problem with them.
LOL.. Im punjabi and I was born in Karachi, had friends from ever ethnic group. Have relatives in Quetta and Sindh.
I have friends who have gone to FATA and were welcomed as guest So I guess that means you have no idea what he is talking about...
Ladakh has slightly more Muslims than Buddhists. There are only a handful of individual districts in the state that don't have a Muslim majority.
For the record, Kashmiris are known for their hospitality and friendliness. The fact that we aren't going to allow India to steal our dignity and basic human rights doesn't make us any less hospitable. Need I remind you that during the land transfer protests a year ago, when over a million Kashmiris were out on the streets protesting against the theft of our land, over 500,000 foreign Hindu pilgrims passed through our state without any incidents. In fact, local Kashmiris even organized free meals and accomodations for them when all the restaurants and hotels were closed down during the bandhs. All this when, down in the Hindu-majority districts of Jammu, Kashmiri truckers and taxi drivers were being attacked (and in some cases killed) to enforce the draconian economic blockade of the Valley, and entire Gujjar Muslim villages were burned to the ground by violent Hindu mobs.
Don't hold your breath. Your people have been trying to delude themselves into thinking that Kashmir would happily resign itself to Indian occupation for over 60 years now. And yet, for decades every poll conducted in the region has shown that the overhwhelming majority of Kashmiris want nothing to do with India.
As for Sajid Lone, I find it amazing that you're reading so much into his defeat, especially considering the fact that his candidacy was so universally condemned by the separatists before the election. Even if you ignore that basic, basic fact, the defeat of one individual hardly constitutes the defeat of an entire ideology. To apply your utterly asinine logic...forget the one "separatist," hundreds of pro-India politicians were defeated in these elections...I guess for you that should be conclusive evidence that Indian rule is wildly unpopular.
You know the massive protests during this summer really woke a lot of sane Indians up to the possiblility that Kashmir may not be a part of India after all. I recall there was an article from a prominent Indian human rights person on this very issue.
Are there any plans to continue non violent protests and are there any leaders who can lead such a struggle?
1) River Neelum (Kishenganga in Indian-controlled area)
2) River Neelum
3) River Neelum
4) Dry Pakistan up
Nothing else. Simple fact. Mountbatten and the b*******. Gave India access to main part of Kashmir with roads in Punjab. Pakistan was meant to have these roads but the borders were redrawn.
We already went through this.. You need to go back and do some more readin fish boy.
Basicly we concluded that you Indians have absolutely no idea what your talking about...
And your another example of that.
Yeah yeah we all know how credible Pakistani views are when it comes to democratic election anywhere.. I heard UN is about to give some fair democratci election award to Pakistan..
Ladakh has slightly more Muslims than Buddhists. There are only a handful of individual districts in the state that don't have a Muslim majority.
For the record, Kashmiris are known for their hospitality and friendliness. The fact that we aren't going to allow India to steal our dignity and basic human rights doesn't make us any less hospitable. Need I remind you that during the land transfer protests a year ago, when over a million Kashmiris were out on the streets protesting against the theft of our land, over 500,000 foreign Hindu pilgrims passed through our state without any incidents. In fact, local Kashmiris even organized free meals and accomodations for them when all the restaurants and hotels were closed down during the bandhs. All this when, down in the Hindu-majority districts of Jammu, Kashmiri truckers and taxi drivers were being attacked (and in some cases killed) to enforce the draconian economic blockade of the Valley, and entire Gujjar Muslim villages were burned to the ground by violent Hindu mobs.
Don't hold your breath. Your people have been trying to delude themselves into thinking that Kashmir would happily resign itself to Indian occupation for over 60 years now. And yet, for decades every poll conducted in the region has shown that the overhwhelming majority of Kashmiris want nothing to do with India.
As for Sajid Lone, I find it amazing that you're reading so much into his defeat, especially considering the fact that his candidacy was so universally condemned by the separatists before the election. Even if you ignore that basic, basic fact, the defeat of one individual hardly constitutes the defeat of an entire ideology. To apply your utterly asinine logic...forget the one "separatist," hundreds of pro-India politicians were defeated in these elections...I guess for you that should be conclusive evidence that Indian rule is wildly unpopular.
Why don;t you ask those 700 thousand Kashmiri pandits livign in refugee camps driven out of their own homes you will know how freindly and hospitable valley muslims are..
I will poass rest pf the garbage could not go beyond first few sentence f your post..
Yeah, but they arent the ones being murdered by the Indian army are they?!?!
And like we said, if the people of Ladakh want to be Indian then more power to them.. Im sure the Kashmiris of the valley would be very friendly if your country were illeglly occupying their homeland. Because you are, i GUESS THEY HATE YOU
The vast majority of Kashmiris dont want anything to do with the Disgusting state of India. Go debate them if you have a problem with them.
LOL.. Im punjabi and I was born in Karachi, had friends from ever ethnic group. Have relatives in Quetta and Sindh.
I have friends who have gone to FATA and were welcomed as guest So I guess that means you have no idea what he is talking about...
They are nto the ones driving heir hindu pandit neighbours out of their own homes anyway.. they are not the ones blowing up anythgn and everythign anyway........
Have you noticed you kind of confirmed indian soldier is not lunatic who goes around killign whoever he finds they have got reaosn to use their weapon and use only on those who are anti national anti social element..
I too happen to know few sindhis who detest punjab like anythign and less said about baluchistanis hatred for punjabis better it would be
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Why don;t you ask those 700 thousand Kashmiri pandits livign in refugee camps driven out of their own homes you will know how freindly and hospitable valley muslims are..
I will poass rest pf the garbage could not go beyond first few sentence f your post..
I've already effectively demonstrated that, according to your own government's census data, there simply can't be more than 210,000 or so Pandits all together (inside and outside Kashmir).
As long as you're posting total nonsensical trash, why stop at 700,000? Next time, you should talk about 700 billion Pandit refugees...I mean, if youre going to fabricate whatever nonsensical figures you want, at least be a little more dramatic about it.
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