Kashmir..........How many of you do see chances of a solution? - Page 11

Med911 · Jul 3rd, 2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by afishcurry

Why don;t you ask those 700 thousand Kashmiri pandits livign in refugee camps driven out of their own homes you will know how freindly and hospitable valley muslims are..

I will poass rest pf the garbage could not go beyond first few sentence f your post..

You keep recycling the same tired old Indian arguments. Your fellow Indians have already made these arguments.
Please move on now!

Punjabee in USA · Jul 4th, 2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by janab-e-ali

LOL...truly pathetic.

Every single reference (and I use the term loosely here) that you've posted as been nothing but totally unreferenced anti-Muslim propaganda. But fully referenced books by (Indian Hindu) scholars of the Kashmir conflict...those aren't credible enough for you. Hillarious.

In any case, even the patently absurd Pandit propaganda websites accept that the '81 census estimated their population at 124,078:
Kashmir Information Network (KIN): A Paradise Turned into Hell

The total state population has increased from 5,987,389 in 1981 to 10,143,700 in 2001...a 169% increase over 20 years. Applying the same rate of growth to the 1981 Pandit population, we get a total of 210,000 Pandits in 2001. Again, this 400,000 is so obviously absurd to anyone with so much as an iota of objectivity.

You can keep posting as many links as you want to justify your bigoted & boased views, but thats not going to change facts. I could go on rebutting your ridiculous arguements but frankly neither have the patience nor the inclination to do that.

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Originally Posted by janab-e-ali

I've lived in Kashmir, both before and after 1989. I've done extensive human rights work with local NGOs. I've personally met more Kashmiri Pandits, both inside and outside of Kashmir, than you will ever even hear of in your entire pathetic life.

Another presumptious post !! You neither have an idea about my background, nor how many Kashmiris I have met so keep your rhetoric for the likes of Med911 who will lap up whatever BS you spit out

janab-e-ali · Jul 4th, 2009, 01:38 PM

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I know...it's hard to rebut actual census data. Don't feel too bad...most Indian sheeple are every bit as uninformed and clueless about Kashmir as you are.

Med911 · Jul 5th, 2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Punjabee in USA

You can keep posting as many links as you want to justify your bigoted & boased views, but thats not going to change facts. I could go on rebutting your ridiculous arguements but frankly neither have the patience nor the inclination to do that.

Another presumptious post !! You neither have an idea about my background, nor how many Kashmiris I have met so keep your rhetoric for the likes of Med911 who will lap up whatever BS you spit out

LOL.. Bigoted and bias. Its the pot calling the kettle black

This from te same idiot who thinks the wishes of 7 million people are irrlevant, and would rather see the entire valley bathed in the blood of her people then ever allow an inch of soil to leave Indian hands.

You are a pathetic even by Indian standards. The reason I suport Janab e ali in all this is because he/she IS literally wiping the floor with you uninformed brown rear end.

And the reason we know you havent been to Kashmir is the simple fact thatyou know absolutely nothing about Kashmir other then the garbage your fed by your bias govt. Your ignorance is what betrays you.

And the reason its BS to you is because your to incompetant to come up with a viable argument to refute Janabs claims. Hard to debate actual facts, but I suppose a bigoted ultra nationalist like you could even find a way to justify the holocaust if he had to...
Go bark some place else, becase your nonsense is worth as much...

Punjabee in USA · Jul 5th, 2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by janab-e-ali

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I know...it's hard to rebut actual census data. Don't feel too bad...most Indian sheeple are every bit as uninformed and clueless about Kashmir as you are.

If being informed & clued-in means being biased & bigoted like YOU, I am better off being uniformed.

Med911 · Jul 6th, 2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Punjabee in USA

If being informed & clued-in means being biased & bigoted like YOU, I am better off being uniformed.

LOL... Your such a baby. Grow up.

mYsTeRiOuS_gUy · Jul 6th, 2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Punjabee in USA

If being informed & clued-in means being biased & bigoted like YOU, I am better off being uniformed.

It's funny to see the word "BIGOT" coming from "Punjabee" for someone else.
He is probably one of the only few Indians on this forum who defended that Varun Gandhi idiot and his words, he blames ISI for everything in India and feels proud that RAW is doing a great job in Pakistan through Afghanistan. Also a big supporter of Modi and his actions.

Yes we know who is a HYPOCRITE and BIGOT.

mYsTeRiOuS_gUy · Jul 6th, 2009, 09:31 AM

Conclusion: KASHMIRI PANDITS are far more important for Indians than other Kashmiris.
Everyone in India keeps talking about rights of Kashmiri pundits (probably around 10% of all Kashmiris??), there is no doubt that pundits deserve equal rights and access to all the resources but this is what you get when 90% of the population is treated like animals.

Punjabee in USA · Jul 6th, 2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mYsTeRiOuS_gUy

Conclusion: KASHMIRI PANDITS are far more important for Indians than other Kashmiris.
Everyone in India keeps talking about rights of Kashmiri pundits (probably around 10% of all Kashmiris??), there is no doubt that pundits deserve equal rights and access to all the resources but this is what you get when 90% of the population is treated like animals.

Yes, Kashmiri pandits are an important part of Kashmir and unfortunately they have been forced to leave their homes and live the lives of refugees by people who were once their neighbors and friends. Its pathetic that you think the way they have been treated is somehow justified.

Hopefully, its only a matter of time before Article 370 is repealed and Indians from all parts of the country are allowed to settle down in Kashmir. Demographics will no longer be an issue after that.

afishcurry · Jul 6th, 2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Med911

You keep recycling the same tired old Indian arguments. Your fellow Indians have already made these arguments.
Please move on now!

Move on how easy.. those 700 thousands are still rottig in refugee camps their property is stil under their yeaster-year muslim neighbours' possession but we should move on.. ONly muslims have rights to harbour greivance others should just walk it off and forget it..

I hear you brother special rule for special people

afishcurry · Jul 6th, 2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mYsTeRiOuS_gUy

Conclusion: KASHMIRI PANDITS are far more important for Indians than other Kashmiris.
Everyone in India keeps talking about rights of Kashmiri pundits (probably around 10% of all Kashmiris??), there is no doubt that pundits deserve equal rights and access to all the resources but this is what you get when 90% of the population is treated like animals.

As of today musllim non-muslim ratipo in jammukashmir laddakh is 60-40..

Treated like animals I guess you are talking about POK>. on indian side they choose their own govt and get what their own govt provides them..

Thanks to subsidy by india kashmir gets ten times the central aid that BIHar gets and mind you kashmir's population is pitiful in comparison to bihar..

Still if one enters kashmir one feels inflation has not entered that place.. everythign is so subsidized..

chintu_bhopali · Jul 6th, 2009, 11:56 PM

nothings gonna change.Situation will be same always. Jisko rona hain roye jisko dhona hain dhoye..who cares

krisent · Jul 7th, 2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickstar

UN this UN that. Give me a break. There is a very simple way to resolve this issue. Put it to a vote. SIMPLE. If the people of Kashmir truly want to be part of either the Pakistani or Indian union the ballot will indicate so. If they do not want to be part of any external body then it is their absolute natural right to govern themselves. Any military intervention beyond this point is should be considered an invasion.

this it is also a simple solution for so many places in the world like in Baluchistan, Tibet, Taiwan, Xinjiang, Sri Lanka we can go on and on, by the way for the people who don't know, who do you think is ruling Jammu and Kashmir, is it the Indian government, which Indian government, is it the UPA or the NDA or the Congress or the BJP or the CPI or is the National conference or the PDP, President of India, Indian Army, Navy or the IAF ........ Truth is Karnataka a Indian state which speaks Kannada are ruled by states political people Punjab is ruled by its own people Tamil Nadu is ruled by its own people Maharastra is ruled by its own people UP is ruled by its own people West bengal is ruled by its own people Jammu and Kashmir is ruled by its own people and India is ruled by the Indian government and its people, Pakistan has a long way to go before it can understand this.

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Originally Posted by arleitter

We go by UN only.That's the neutral unbiased agency.Moreover we want to ensure that our Kashmiri people are getting the best available service in the world.We do not ant to give our Kashmiri brothers and sisters anything less than a PROFESSIONAL SERVICE.

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Originally Posted by Slickstar

BBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

please you might sell that off to the fools here but try harder. The UN? The UN as an organization does not represent the Kashmiri people. In fact, what does the UN have to do with Kashmir? This is fallacy of epic proportions. And not only that, who are you as an individual and who is India to decide what is better for the Kashmiri people. This line of thought borders the slave masters of the southern states who also claimed slavery was bringing the black man to civilization.

Again, the best people to represent the people of Kashmir is not the UN nor the bureaucrats of Indian congress, but the people of Kashmir itslef.

Stop being so naive and against freedom. let the power of the ballot decide the fate of the Kashmiri people. not the......lol UN...

what more do you want from India, we have give away Bangladesh we have given away Nepal, SriLanka, Bhutan, we have given away whole of Pakistan and PoK, this is the limit.

afishcurry · Jul 8th, 2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by krisent

this it is also a simple solution for so many places in the world like in Baluchistan, Tibet, Taiwan, Xinjiang, Sri Lanka we can go on and on, by the way for the people who don't know, who do you think is ruling Jammu and Kashmir, is it the Indian government, which Indian government, is it the UPA or the NDA or the Congress or the BJP or the CPI or is the National conference or the PDP, President of India, Indian Army, Navy or the IAF ........ Truth is Karnataka a Indian state which speaks Kannada are ruled by states political people Punjab is ruled by its own people Tamil Nadu is ruled by its own people Maharastra is ruled by its own people UP is ruled by its own people West bengal is ruled by its own people Jammu and Kashmir is ruled by its own people and India is ruled by the Indian government and its people, Pakistan has a long way to go before it can understand this.

what more do you want from India, we have give away Bangladesh we have given away Nepal, SriLanka, Bhutan, we have given away whole of Pakistan and PoK, this is the limit.

They want whole world bit by bit..

Ever wondered how people still moan about how they were driven out of Spain.

Hasna Nisar raises a very poignant point which is how did muslism reach there in first place. Just Google Bin Zayed and you will know how..

Even in case of India they want whole .. You can watch that clown Zaid Hamid bloviating about Nehamtullah Shah Walli's socalled prediction how it's going to happen again..

afishcurry · Jul 8th, 2009, 11:59 AM

As far as I am concerned there is only one solution line of control respected as international border any other solution will mean complete destruction of all and sundry.

No need for any further concession to any person seeking balaknization of India on basis of any kind of religion

Punjabee in USA · Jul 8th, 2009, 01:37 PM

^ Yaar, no need to take it too seriously

We are just indulging our "friendly neighbors" here otherwise they also know that Kashmir will stay a part of India.

shikara · Jul 10th, 2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by janab-e-ali

That certainly isn't what the people of Kashmir want.

Not quite.

Azad "Kashmir" was carved out of the Jammu region...the people speak Potohari/Mirpuri and Pahari, not Koshur.

The people of Kashmir would prefer independence in some ways...but if it came to only two options, Pakistan would certainly get the nod over India and the raping, killing army.

Maybe Azad Kashmir was carved out of Jammu but there are many people in Kashmir valley who are linked by relation and culture to Azad Kashmir.

Punjabee in USA · Jul 10th, 2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shikara

Maybe Azad Kashmir was carved out of Jammu but there are many people in Kashmir valley who are linked by relation and culture to Azad Kashmir.

Last I checked, it was Kashmiri Muslims raping & killing Kashmiri Muslims.

I guess Pakistani stooges need to some new cock & bull stories now

Med911 · Jul 10th, 2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Punjabee in USA

^ Yaar, no need to take it too seriously

We are just indulging our "friendly neighbors" here otherwise they also know that Kashmir will stay a part of India.

Yeah, thats alsowhat the british said of their empire in India...

You cant opress people forever. Go read what your great Mahatma Gandhi himself said of those who oppress the weak...

Med911 · Jul 10th, 2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Punjabee in USA

Last I checked, it was Kashmiri Muslims raping & killing Kashmiri Muslims.

I guess Pakistani stooges need to some new cock & bull stories now

No, its actually India occupation stooges that are raping and killing.
Your Army has done it, and the depraved Indian stooges do it aswell.

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