Med911

Yeah, but your view is irrelevant. You have abslutely nothing to do with KASHMIR.

Med911

On the Indian side they hate you, they protest every other week to remind you. The stomp on your flag on a regular basis.

On the Pakistan side, they have no problem calling themselves Pakistani.

On the Indian side, the India govt contrls who is voted in, they control everything that happens in the occupied Kashmir.

And the Kashmiris dont want your blod money, they want independance.

afishcurry

How do you know they have no freedom to protest unlike on indian side.. wherever they can be it baluchistan or elsewhere they are protesting like anything...........

Recently EU parliamnetarins sought access to both sides of Kahsmir to present a report on the issue.> indai opened it and pakistanis denied access.. when the report was less than flattering on pakistani side.. well they did simple development comparison.. WEhole pakistan administration was in dizzy ....

point being on your side there is no freedom whatsover..

We don not carpet bomb political leaders who raise voice of seratism llike Bugti .. we allow them to run in election and so that they can test their popularity and if they do become successful in election wer will give them opprtunity to ut their case even in our parliament..

I hope you get the drift how things work on each side of the border

Punjabee in USA

So Indian "occupation" is forcing Kashmiri Muslims to rape & kill their fellow men/women ?

Awesome logic Keep it coming...

Med911

What 700 000 are you talking about? Never hear o them...

Med911

What a load of garbage.

Although this debate is on Kashmir and not Paistan, I will indulge you for a moment. I know there ae no protests in Azad Kashmir because it is far more open to the world then occupied Kashmir. We have never had pro independance that ran into the thousands as they do in Occupied Kashmir.
The people of Azad Kashmir hav never risen in revolt as they have and continue to do in Occupied Kashmir.
Much of the people of Azad Kashmir consider themselves to be Pakistani. I have met contless people of Azad Kshmir and never have I met anyone who cnsdered themselves to be aything other then Pakistani, although there are pro independance groups in Azad KAshmir aswell.
In Balochistan, the govt is wrong. I unlike you admit when my country is wrong. Infact, if Balochistan situation isnt improved, then I would go so far as to say that te Balocis have a right to be free.
I doubt someone lke you could ever admit that Kashmiris may have the same right.

Point is, while Pakistas record in Kashmir isnt perfect, as its record in its own provinces isn perfect, but the people of Azad Kashmir are free.
I can guaratee you they dont have to be worried aout all the horrible thngs that o on in occupied kashmir under Indian rule.

Now get back to the topic. Trying to divert attention to Paksitan doesnt change your record in occupied Kashmir.

afishcurry

Articles #2303 , The European Parliament Report on Kashmir: An Overview

REad the actual report of EU parliamentarian who was on official visit of kashmir.. All the nonsense that you have been fed by mullah will be purged..

They will be blown up like baluchistanis and bugtis if they go against pakistani line given the heavy army presence..

Fact is Eu parliamentarin got acces to indian side easily and comprehensively while on pakistani side that was not the case..

read the document yourself don;t trust me..

You might have forgotten but whole pakistani admin was in dizzy over this report and PM presidnet everyone camped in europe to get the report amended..

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?560199 Here a Pakistani origin MP in britain is whining


EU report rattles pakistan
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp...me=seema&sid=1

Bottomline I met so and so and he was fine with pakistan is at best an anecodote can;t be dubbed as views of whole POK people

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/P...ow/1185482.cms

Pak steps up effort to dilute EU report. I wonder why

Med911

Ok.. LETS ME GET THIS STRAIGHT...

Human rights violations in occupied Kashmir are a common occurence and are reported on a regular basis.

People of occupied Kashmir protest despite the threat of being killed by live rounds...

Supposed Human rights violations in Azad Kashmir are answered without any protest and protests on the scale of Indian occupied Kashmir are unheard off.

You claim that the lack of protests is due to the threat of bombing, as in Balochistan etc. Yet the same people on the Occupied Kashmrir side are willing to risk being shot by live rounds to protest... Somehow, risking death doesnt stop Occupied Kashmiris from protesting, yet the fear of death prevents the ones in Azad Kashmir refuse out of fear. GREAT LOGIC....

Fact is, India refuses any outside involvement in Occupied Kashmir. And I doubt the EU was given any kind of access that wasnt monitored by the Indians.

As for Azad Kashmir, there are a good number of Kashmiris there who are pro independance, More power to them.

Atleast their mothers and sisters arent being raped...

I assume that in you pathetic <edit> way, you are refering to AZAD Kashmir as PoK.
And perhaps ancedotal meeting with however many people of Azad Kashmir isnt evidence, but we acknowledge that. We need to have a referanddum to ascertain their wishes... Which ofcourse India refuses.
Bottom line, you dont even have ancedotal evidence...
We have a Kashmiri from Srinaher denouncing you. The news is filled with Kashmiris denouncing India...
The problem is your refusal to wake up and smell reality.

What does Pak have to hide. If there were human rights vilation as there are in Occupied Kashmir, they could never hide them.

Some points from the article...

The EU parliament says the Azad Kashmir is not democratically ruled. This is an issue concerning all of Pakistan.
But for there part, Azad Kashmir is not considered a part of Pakistan offcicialy. This is why the N Areas does not have a voice, as its not a part of the country offcially. This is a recognized problem and needs to be addressed.

The report says India should allow Human rights groups in Occupied Kashmir..
I WONDER WHY INDIA DOES NOT ALLOW HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS INTO KASHMIR?

The report does not mention any specific violations in Azad Kashmir other then to say that Gilgit and Baltistam are not represented properly... As regard to occupied Kashmir, it mentions dissapearances and extra judicial morders specifically.

The problem in Azad Kashmir is one of lack of represtation, while in India its everything..

Med911

And if Pakistan did not allow the Parliament access to Azad Kashmir, how then did they come up with therir conclusions regarding Azad Kashmir?

Apparently, they know all about what goes on Azad KASHMIR w/o having investigated there...

Anyways, try again <edit>... Your refusal to admit ground reality is as criminal as you over blown statistics regarding those pooorrr poooooor Pandits...

BTW, your celebrating the EU not including Kashmir in its assesment...

Yet in the same article it says
"
The EP report, however, condemned the fact that the European Union is still far from conducting a "coherent and hard-hitting policy" to uphold and promote human rights around the world."



So the European Union is still far from a coherant policy to uphold human rights, and your claiming the EP not including Kashmir in there self admited incoherent policy in upholding and promoting Human rights around the world, is a victory for India!

DO YOU even read what you post? I guess the EU isnt the best source in this case...