mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Absolutely sad. But similar incidents have happened many times in Indian-occupied Kashmir, whereas I can't even remember when the last time I heard of something similar occuring in Azad kashmir.

mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Interestingly enough, the most recent article on Azad kashmir (for 2008, giving a valid comparison to the 2008 report for India), makes no mention of deaths in custody, or of injuries as a result of authorities reacting to protests. The article on India continues to refer to extrajudicial murder or prisoners in the opening statement.

Why does India need to kill Kashmiri prisoners with impunity, but such allegations are not being levelled against Pakistan?

UNHCR | Refworld | Freedom in the World 2008 - Kashmir [Pakistan]

aam bandha

It is because of the situation on ground ..... there is an insurgency going on in Kashmir .... a sepratist movement funded and supported from Pakistan.

There were no allegations of violations before 1989, what changed that year ..... there is a ample proof of invovlment of elements from within Pakistan ... no need for me to bring it here. And once you have a situation where a fight is going on .... there are going to be casualties ..... happens even in Pakistan.

In any case we have to look at the future ..... and in the end both India and Pakistan has / are going to realize that they need to put this history behind and work out a soultion to the problem. That is the only way out ....

As for everyone here ... we can accuse each other to our hearts content ... it doesn't amount to anything in ther real world !!!!!!

aam bandha

There has been no change in the level of freedom in POK ... even if you take the 2008 report !!!!!!

mAd_ScIeNtIsT

The outlook is bleak because any solution would require some form of compromise from one, or the other, or both sides.

I don't see so much as an inch of compromise that would be domestically acceptable in either country.

Slickstar

Why is both the Pak and Indian government scared to hold referendums? ffs, let the people decide what they want.

Punjabee in USA

Now you hit the nail on the head

Compromise by either side will be seen as a sign of defeat, and neither country would want to be seen conceding defeat.

BanTaleban

what ever for?

Arleitter

Yup,that's the reality.

wahtoy

aur hum log beech main pis gaye...khuda hum pe reham kare

simplyme

What about China. Pakistan gifted a portion of its occuped Kashmir to China.

CM

I like Aam banda he is a good at producing strawmans. Firstly the articles posted are not written by UNHCR. They are written by Freedom House. Which in turn is a pro-israeli think tank based out of the US. So not neutral sources at all.

Secondly the index is low because of stuff like this:

Of course Azad Kashmir is not represented in the Pakistan National Parliament. It is a disputed territory and once the UNSC resolutions are implemented only then will they get representation the parliament.

In general do not trust what Aam Banda says.

UNSC resolutions stateda plebicite shall be held. India agreed. India has not held up its international and legal commitment.

Arleitter

^Wrong CM.Not only India ,even pakistan has also agreed to it.But prior to that demilitarization has to happen.Pakistan has not done that.

janab-e-ali

That's a lie...repeating it ad nauseam won't make it true.

Kashmir has been a highly militarized region since 1947. There have been troops camped out in Badaami Bagh, right in the middle of Srinagar since Partition. Those troops were frequently brought out of their barracks to kill civilians, especially during pro-independence protests. The violations have been going on for decades...they just became far, far more frequent in 1989, when your government decided that it would look the other way while its soliders torched entire cities, and gang raped entire villages.

The piece of Ladakh that your government lost to China is nearly 9 times bigger than what Pakistan lost.

How come you Indians never mention that?

simplyme

^^

Did you read your statement before posting. Pakistan [B] gifted[B] the land to China.

CM

Show me in which UNSC resolution it says Pakistan should do so first?

simplyme

Show me in which UNSC resolution it says India should do so first...

janab-e-ali

The UN later recognized that request was unreasonable given the circumstances. All resolutions from after 1949 call for the enforcement of the McNaughton Proposals, which include SIMULTANEOUS demilitarization on both sides of the LoC. If I'm not mistaken, India would even have been allowed to maintain more soliders in the territories it was occupying during the plebiscite.

To that end, the UN put forward a dozen different plans regarding the demilitarization of the region. Pakistan agreed to all of them; India rejected every single one.

As long as we're playing with semantics, Pakistan EXCHANGED the Shaksgam Valley for other territories along the China-Pakistan border in the process of establishing a formal border. The treaty between China & Pakistan also stipulates that, upon resolution of the Kashmir conflict, who ever controls Jammu & Kashmir would have the right to renegotiate that treaty.

In any case, none of this explains the selective amnesia Indians seem to develop regarding the 40,000 sq kms of Ladakhi land they lost to China.

CM

By all means answer mine first and I will answer first. I will answer your comments rather easily considering the stance on removement of Indian troops is a part of public record.

BanTaleban

this is tiresome how you people keep churning decade old material.

did China gobble up territory? yes ofcourse! while India and Pakistan try to split up Kashmir, the 3rd guy laughed to the bank. Instead you are still squabbling about who lost more to China. Meanwhile Bangla Desh is gone, Balochistan and SWAT and others are going from simmer to boil, and yet yeah sure - let's argue and spend 15% mor on buying bombs from USA. Not just buy, let's compete and beg that they sell to us. You sold him more, sell me more!!!

And then this stuff about UN resolutions. Pakistanis talking about UN resolutions is like a diabetic talking about extra sweet. They love it but can't take it