The Prime Minister began his two-day visit to Jammu & Kashmir on Wednesday. He inaugurated the crucial Qazigund rail link here.
After nine years of wait another crucial part of the Kashmir train line - between Qazigund and Baramullah - is complete, connecting South Kashmir to its north.
This is now the fastest way to travel across the Kashmir Valley: Two hours as against the four hour travel by road.
"This will connect us to every state. It will bring profits. If sending goods in trucks costs Rs 10,000, on a train it will cost just Rs 2,000," said Ali Muhammad
, a Qazigund resident.
The line is complete, but the project is not.
Now Baramulla and Qazigund are connected at one end and Katra and Jammu on the other. But the most crucial part - 70 kilometres in between connecting Qazigund to Katra - is underway. It's a route that passes through the steep Pir Panjal Mountains.
The project is an engineering marvel of sorts.
Once built, the 290 kilometre track will boast of 750 rail bridges and hundreds of kilometres of tunnels.
The longest tunnel is 11 kilometres, the highest rail bridge is at 359 metres, and the longest bridge will be 1,315 metres long across Chenab River.
At one point in the Pir Panjal Mountains the track is built at 11,000 feet. The project deadline is 2017.
"The whole area is mountainous and there are a number of tunnels. This area has deep gorges, rivers like Chenab and Alji, and bridges that are very high," said Hari Shankar Yadav, the chief engineer.
Travelling in this train is a dream come true for every Kashmiri. Once the Prime Minister flags it off, it will run from South to North Kashmir connecting the entire Kashmir valley. Now the big question is how much time will it take to get connected with the rest of the Indian Railway network.
have you given freedom to kashmiris in your own teritorry....some explainations will do....
Yes we did
Need more explanation?
Yes we did they are free to do whatever they want.
We have even had Kashmir Prime Minister (Nawas Sharif if Kashmiri).
Best Pakistani actor is Kashmiri.
I don't see Kashmiri protesting against Pakistan.
Almost half million pakistani kashmiris in Brittain are free to move around in Pakistan.
In Pakistani kashmir the human rights organisations and the world media is free to move unlike
Indian Occupied Kashmir.
No massgraves are found in Pakistani Kashmir unlike Indian Occupied Kashmir.
No kashmiri females are raped by the army in Pakistani Kashmir like in Indian Occupied Kashmir.
U want more prove?
I dont see Kashmiri's protesting in front of Pakistani Embassy like they do in front of Indian embassies around the world against occupation. All over the world Kashmiris protest in front of Indian Embassy to remind Indian that 15 August maybe your independence but you are still occupying us.
It it not about time to look in the mirror yourself?
Yes we did
Need more explanation?
Yes we did they are free to do whatever they want.
We have even had Kashmir Prime Minister (Nawas Sharif if Kashmiri).
Best Pakistani actor is Kashmiri.
I don't see Kashmiri protesting against Pakistan.
Almost half million pakistani kashmiris in Brittain are free to move around in Pakistan.
In Pakistani kashmir the human rights organisations and the world media is free to move unlike
Indian Occupied Kashmir.
I dont see Kashmiri's protesting in front of Pakistani Embassy like they do in front of Indian embassies around the world against occupation. All over the world Kashmiris protest in front of Indian Embassy to remind Indian that 15 August maybe your independence but you are still occupying us.
It it not about time to look in the mirror yourself?
do you have a university in kahmir?
have not you settled non-kashmiris in kashmir?
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Originally Posted by happyheart
No massgraves are found in Pakistani Kashmir unlike Indian Occupied Kashmir.
No kashmiri females are raped by the army in Pakistani Kashmir like in Indian Occupied Kashmir.
U want more prove?
if such folklores are correct...pick up the results of repressions anywhere in the world in hstory...it ends in mass migrations....show me how many kashmiris have migrated from kashmir in india...
any idea how kashmiris, especially muslim kashmiris, are doing succesful busines all over india...such news you do not get from human rights activists....
do you have a university in kahmir?
have not you settled non-kashmiris in kashmir?
if such folklores are correct...pick up the results of repressions anywhere in the world in hstory...it ends in mass migrations....show me how many kashmiris have migrated from kashmir in india...
any idea how kashmiris, especially muslim kashmiris, are doing succesful busines all over india...such news you do not get from human rights activists....
Its ironic u are so much success oriented and
you are totally ignoric massgraves, raping of Kahsmiri women, dissepearence of thousands of people
and grave human rights violations of Kashmiri people in Indian Occupied Kashmir.
I can see where your priorities lie. That is your opinion mate ask those who are dead in the graves to what university they want to go or what business they want to start.
No respectable human being can ignore the grave human rights violations that are condemned by EUROPEAN UNION, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, UNITED NATION.
Its a sad sad thing but we are allowed to have our own opinion i guess.
People in Indian Kashmir have more freedom than people in any part of Pakistan, given the decades the latter has been under dictatorships.
Are u reading? I mean i really fail to understand that a normal human being can ignore the fact that there are grave human rights violation in Indian Occupied Kashmir.
Non Muslim Oraganisation are condemming the mass graves found in Indian Occupied Kashmir and rape of Kashmiri females and other attrocities but our Muslim brothers and sisters are focussed on the succces of few people in Kashmir. Its really sad.
What freedoM i do not understand what you mean? Do you know what is Happening in Indian Occupied Kashmir? You only watch and read Indian news so how possible u can say there is freedom in Indian Occupied Kashmir.
Please think before you say something because it does not make any sense whatsoever.
If there was freedom then Kashmir would be AZAAD.
600 000 troops in INdian Occupied Kashmir do you know that? Well???
How can someone be free where in his/her neighbour hood is police check point on almost every corner of the street? Are u aware of that? Woudl u like to life in that neighbourhood and woudl you feel free?
Its ironic u are so much success oriented and
you are totally ignoric massgraves, raping of Kahsmiri women, dissepearence of thousands of people
and grave human rights violations of Kashmiri people in Indian Occupied Kashmir.
I can see where your priorities lie. That is your opinion mate ask those who are dead in the graves to what university they want to go or what business they want to start.
No respectable human being can ignore the grave human rights violations that are condemned by EUROPEAN UNION, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, UNITED NATION.
Its a sad sad thing but we are allowed to have our own opinion i guess.
well i do not counter your statement...i am asking for the result if your statements are correct....
any migration of muslims from kashmir...
any kind of illigal birth rate in kashmir, hence mass rapes is your allegation...
compare this situation to 1971 east pakistan. (off the topic) i know.
and you do not tell us if there is any university in pok, what is the education level of kashmiris in pok and if you have not settled non-kashmiris in pok???
Actually all Pakistanis have been fed poisonous falsehood about India
regarding Kashmir. They call for an incident of rape. I ask you are there no
rapes in Pakistan? Yes there are numerous but all unreported in lawless state.
Writers in Pakistani forums cling to such arguments as if All Kashmiris are
being raped. They hype these incidents and use it as a tool to put ill name to a
nation. I am not favouring any rapist. Its a human psychological aberration
found in every community and is most condemnable.
Regarding Kashmir, I invite you to go there personally. you cannot find such a good economy anywhere in Pakistan. You will yourself find the falsehood perptrated by Pakistani media. There are few anti India groups, no doubt, but remember they are not pro Pakistan. After all who will ever dream of living in a living hell full of fundamentalists, anti women, anti education anti Islam marauders.
Actually all Pakistanis have been fed poisonous falsehood about India
regarding Kashmir. They call for an incident of rape. I ask you are there no
rapes in Pakistan? Yes there are numerous but all unreported in lawless state.
Writers in Pakistani forums cling to such arguments as if All Kashmiris are
being raped. They hype these incidents and use it as a tool to put ill name to a
nation. I am not favouring any rapist. Its a human psychological aberration
found in every community and is most condemnable.
Regarding Kashmir, I invite you to go there personally. you cannot find such a good economy anywhere in Pakistan. You will yourself find the falsehood perptrated by Pakistani media. There are few anti India groups, no doubt, but remember they are not pro Pakistan. After all who will ever dream of living in a living hell full of fundamentalists, anti women, anti education anti Islam marauders.
ah another Indian with Muslim name trying to devide and tell lies
i welcome you.
Are u reading? I mean i really fail to understand that a normal human being can ignore the fact that there are grave human rights violation in Indian Occupied Kashmir.
Non Muslim Oraganisation are condemming the mass graves found in Indian Occupied Kashmir and rape of Kashmiri females and other attrocities but our Muslim brothers and sisters are focussed on the succces of few people in Kashmir. Its really sad.
What freedoM i do not understand what you mean? Do you know what is Happening in Indian Occupied Kashmir? You only watch and read Indian news so how possible u can say there is freedom in Indian Occupied Kashmir.
Please think before you say something because it does not make any sense whatsoever.
If there was freedom then Kashmir would be AZAAD.
600 000 troops in INdian Occupied Kashmir do you know that? Well???
How can someone be free where in his/her neighbour hood is police check point on almost every corner of the street? Are u aware of that? Woudl u like to life in that neighbourhood and woudl you feel free?
Sorry HH, but this is rubbish.
What's wrong if India keeps 600000 or 1million troops in any part of India? They have to be kept somewhere, so why not near where Pakistan is and where Pakistan has tried mischief?
You ask me what freedom? How about the right to vote and choose their own government? We have it on the Indian side. What's more the CM and ministers of J&K can take issues with the center as any state of India can. Can you tell me what rights the Kashmiri on the Pakistan occupied side has?
It is ofcourse contemptible and disgusting that there are any atrocity committed by our own army against our own people - but as I have explained earlier, we know those were by products of mischiefs originated by terrorists from across the border. And even then, those in our military that lost their perspective and committed such atrocity are punished and will be punished.
What's wrong if India keeps 600000 or 1million troops in any part of India? They have to be kept somewhere, so why not near where Pakistan is and where Pakistan has tried mischief?
You ask me what freedom? How about the right to vote and choose their own government? We have it on the Indian side. What's more the CM and ministers of J&K can take issues with the center as any state of India can. Can you tell me what rights the Kashmiri on the Pakistan occupied side has?
It is ofcourse contemptible and disgusting that there are any atrocity committed by our own army against our own people - but as I have explained earlier, we know those were by products of mischiefs originated by terrorists from across the border. And even then, those in our military that lost their perspective and committed such atrocity are punished and will be punished.
heheheh they have to keep it somewhere? hehehehehe this is so funny. Well then let them keep it in their own barracks not in India Occupied Kashmir.
Kashmir has the highest soldier-to-civilian ratio of any region in the world. When the insurgency began in 1989, there were 36,000 Indian troops. Today, there are 600,000 in a state with a population of roughly 10 million.
Disappearances, civilian detentions, rapes and torture of innocent Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir is happening on daily bases and you do not have the guts to condemn that.
Its no problem if you are a Hindu you have my blessings but just be fair and don't discriminate mate.
^ why do you keep skirting the main question - India needs to keep the soldiers whereever they feel the need for it. Why is it your business in Pakistan? Do we care about where you keep your forces?
The part about disappearances rape etc - you should preach that within your country since your CJ has been asked take action on disappearances caused by Musharaf and his predecessors - fix that and then come talk to us.
Rape? how many accounts of rape do you want of Pak army in Bangladesh, which is why East Pakistan even became a separate country? You come and preach to us after THAT?
The kashmiri ppl are sick of being pushed arnd, they cant sit there and cry on 4ever about how theyve been wronged and even though they have. so ofcourse they are gona build their businesses and work and they have no choice, they never got the right to self-determination, remember? And guys plz...ppl here are obviously so pro india it makes me sick- your in denial, and the pro paki ones have a narrative of how kashmir belongs to them, it did but thats changed - Leave kashmir alone it should be an Indepandant state!!!
The kashmiri ppl are sick of being pushed arnd, they cant sit there and cry on 4ever about how theyve been wronged and even though they have. so ofcourse they are gona build their businesses and work and they have no choice, they never got the right to self-determination, remember? And guys plz...ppl here are obviously so pro india it makes me sick- your in denial, and the pro paki ones have a narrative of how kashmir belongs to them, it did but thats changed - Leave kashmir alone it should be an Indepandant state!!!
Well i do not think you follow what is happening in the world
If you would then you would know that Pakistani government already offered Free and independent state of Kashmir.
Tell your INdian goverment to LEAVE KASHMIR ALONE and don't lecture Pakistani government mate.
Get your facts right please else no use discussing here.
Pakistan want Freedom for all Kashmiris what about India? Do they want independant Kashmir?
Pehle pooch to Indian governement se then come here and talk
Well i do not think you follow what is happening in the world
If you would then you would know that Pakistani government already offered Free and independent state of Kashmir.
Tell your INdian goverment to LEAVE KASHMIR ALONE and don't lecture Pakistani government mate.
Get your facts right please else no use discussing here.
Pakistan want Freedom for all Kashmiris what about India? Do they want independant Kashmir?
Pehle pooch to Indian governement se then come here and talk
last time when some fake elections took place in pok during musharraf regime....the kashmiri leaders were asked to sign a memorandum/ election form that they considered kashmir as a part of pakistan....
The kashmiri ppl are sick of being pushed arnd, they cant sit there and cry on 4ever about how theyve been wronged and even though they have. so ofcourse they are gona build their businesses and work and they have no choice, they never got the right to self-determination, remember? And guys plz...ppl here are obviously so pro india it makes me sick- your in denial, and the pro paki ones have a narrative of how kashmir belongs to them, it did but thats changed - Leave kashmir alone it should be an Indepandant state!!!
No.
First of all you are not a representative of people of J&K. They elected representatives by due process and which by itself is ample evidence that they are fine with being in India.
Secondly, I am surprised that I don't hear from you any condemnation for the cross border terrorism that Pakistan followed as a strategy to create chaos in J&K. As a self-professed representative of J&K, what is you stand on that?
The military has indeed practiced excesses in response to the attacks on them and their families. And India is punishing them for that, which I admit does not make it right by itself. That is why positive measures such as the roadways, railways, trade etc should be encouraged by you, not scorned at.
that is, if you have the interests of the people of J&K at heart as you claim, as opposed to that of the cheerleaders for Pakistan.
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Here is some food for thought:
Does Pakistan care for Kashmiri Muslims? Dr Zakir Hussain (then Vice Chanellor of Aligarh University and later the President of India) wrote to the UN Representative in 1951(Regarding Pak atrocities in J&K in Oct 47)"It is a strange commentary on political beliefs that the same Muslims of Pakistan who like the Muslims of Kashmir to join them invaded the state in October 1947, killing and plundering Muslims in the state and dishonoring Muslim women, all in the interest of what they described as the liberation of Muslims of the State". Kanwar Idris writing in “The Dawn (9 Feb 03) says “Last year an army general was asked to resign one day to take over as president of Azad Kashmir the next day. That may not have violated a law but inevitably caused dismay. Pakistan stands for the right of self-determination for all of the people of Kashmir but here even the free and unsuspecting among them were given no say in choosing a leader of their own”. Sultan Shahin (Balwaristan movement) writes; “Pakistan's refusal to take back dead bodies of Kashmiris killed in Kargil war- had given a powerful fillip to the independence movement in the region. The Balawaris are greatly confused by the pictures of Indian Army and BSF jawans risking their lives to bring the bodies of Pakistani dead soldiers and giving them a proper islamic burial- They are confused because this completely negates all Pakistani propaganda stories about the cruelty, if not total inhumanity of the way Indian security forces conduct themselves in Kashmir”! Pak sponsored militants do not even respect Islam! The Hizbul militants burnt down the last major Sufi shrine Charar-e-Sharif in J&K on May 11, 1995 !
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