Fatwa against indian national anthem - Page 2

Hashmat Usmani · Nov 4th, 2009, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dil Pakistan

Chori, Rishwat, beImani mein laggay honge log, lekin aap ne tau taqreeban sab par hi ilzaam lagga diya.
Abhi bhi kaafi, kaafi nahin, bhalkay bahot ziadah aise log hain, jo Imaandari se zindagi guzaar rahay hain. ALLAH (swt) karray ke unko kisi ki burri nazar na laggay aur woh aise hi naik ban kar rahaiN.
Lekin achhi baat hai, shariaat naafiz ho jani chahiye,
aise achhe aur burray mein farq nazar ajaye ga. Sab ko ek hi nazar se nahin dekha jaye ga.

maiN ne kaha k 90% [taKhmeena] aur 10% bahoooot log hote haiN...maiN apne jitne rishtedaaroN ko dekhtaa huN Pakistan meN aur jitnii baar bhii maiN Pakistan gayaa unke tamaam tar jaannewaaloN ke rahen sahen aur iKhraajaat unkii tanKhaahoN yaa unkii jobs se hazaaroN gunaa ziyaada paayaa. aap bhale yaqeen na kareN magar apne dil meN is baat se muttafiq hoNgii k har chhoTaa baRaa apnii position ke hIsaab se rishwat le rahaa hai. be-iimaanii intihaa ko pahoNchi hui hai. Haq t6alafii apne shabaab par hai...yeh sab kahte huye mujhe achchhaa to nahiiN lag rahaa. ek muslim hone ke naate dukh hii hotaa hai. gali gali shirk ho rahaa hai, na kisi kii izzat maHfooz hai na kisii kii juaan na maal. aap KHud hii bataaiye iimaan daarii se k kia yehi asloob e musalmaanii haiN?

happyheart · Nov 4th, 2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hashmat Usmani

maiN ne kaha k 90% [taKhmeena] aur 10% bahoooot log hote haiN...maiN apne jitne rishtedaaroN ko dekhtaa huN Pakistan meN aur jitnii baar bhii maiN Pakistan gayaa unke tamaam tar jaannewaaloN ke rahen sahen aur iKhraajaat unkii tanKhaahoN yaa unkii jobs se hazaaroN gunaa ziyaada paayaa. aap bhale yaqeen na kareN magar apne dil meN is baat se muttafiq hoNgii k har chhoTaa baRaa apnii position ke hIsaab se rishwat le rahaa hai. be-iimaanii intihaa ko pahoNchi hui hai. Haq t6alafii apne shabaab par hai...yeh sab kahte huye mujhe achchhaa to nahiiN lag rahaa. ek muslim hone ke naate dukh hii hotaa hai. gali gali shirk ho rahaa hai, na kisi kii izzat maHfooz hai na kisii kii juaan na maal. aap KHud hii bataaiye iimaan daarii se k kia yehi asloob e musalmaanii haiN?

mere muslamaan bhai aap to samajhdaar ho Hashmat
yaar kabhi aap bhee non biased ho kar joh attrocities ho rahi hain indian occupied kashmir mein
aur india mein musalmanoon ke khilaaf us ko condemn kar dyaa karo.

pyaar karo india se its your country lekin itna andha pyaar nahin keh aap ko Musalmaanoon ki cheenkhen aur un ke dukh nazzar nahin ayen.

Dil Pakistan · Nov 4th, 2009, 07:46 AM

Itni bhi 'anni' nahiN parhi huwi ke sirf 10% hi achhe log reh gaye.
Haan dunya kharab hogayee hai, isse kayee gunnah ziadah kharab ho gi.
Lekin 90 %? nahin nahin, itna bhi zulm nahiN hai.

Baqi jo burray kaamuN mein laggay haiN, woh apna jurmana bhar lainge marnay ke badh

Decent 6Chora · Nov 4th, 2009, 08:46 AM

Although I dont support the Fatwa but see how easy it is to spin things your way. Just like you did. Fatwa was not against "National Anthems" in general but its against some verses which they thing are against the teaching of Islam.

Would any Hindu sing any national song which ha derogatory remarks against some bhagwan or cow? or some Christians sings the national song with curse on Jesis? NO

Personally I think there is no harm in reading it unless you really mean it.

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Originally Posted by Raj_ind

I agree with the fatwa, in fact singing national anthem of any nation or standing in respect of any national flag amounts to kufr as per Islamic teachings. Its high time Pakistanis too stop doing this act of kufr and stop singing national anthem.

Btw vande matram is not Indian national anthem rather its a national song. Its national anthem is JAN GAN MAN.

aam bandha · Nov 4th, 2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Decent 6Chora

Although I dont support the Fatwa but see how easy it is to spin things your way. Just like you did. Fatwa was not against "National Anthems" in general but its against some verses which they thing are against the teaching of Islam.

Would any Hindu sing any national song which ha derogatory remarks against some bhagwan or cow? or some Christians sings the national song with curse on Jesis? NO .

Two points here ......

First it is not the "National Anthem"......

Second Vande Matram does not have any derogatory words .... an english translation is here ..... please check for yourself ...

Translation by Shree Aurobindo

Mother, I bow to thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
bright with orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Dark fields waving Mother of might,
Mother free.

Glory of moonlight dreams,
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.

Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands
When the sword flesh out in the seventy million hands
And seventy million voices roar
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
To thee I call Mother and Lord!
Though who savest, arise and save!
To her I cry who ever her foeman drove
Back from plain and Sea
And shook herself free.

Thou art wisdom, thou art law,
Thou art heart, our soul, our breath
Though art love divine, the awe
In our hearts that conquers death.
Thine the strength that nervs the arm,
Thine the beauty, thine the charm.
Every image made divine
In our temples is but thine.

Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her
swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
And the Muse a hundred-toned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother lend thine ear,
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleems,
Dark of hue O candid-fair

In thy soul, with jewelled hair
And thy glorious smile divine,
Lovilest of all earthly lands,
Showering wealth from well-stored hands!
Mother, mother mine!
Mother sweet, I bow to thee,
Mother great and free

happyheart · Nov 4th, 2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aam bandha

Two points here ......

First it is not the "National Anthem"......

Second Vande Matram does not have any derogatory words .... an english translation is here ..... please check for yourself ...

Translation by Shree Aurobindo

Mother, I bow to thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
bright with orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Dark fields waving Mother of might,
Mother free.

Glory of moonlight dreams,
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.

Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands
When the sword flesh out in the seventy million hands
And seventy million voices roar
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
To thee I call Mother and Lord!
Though who savest, arise and save!
To her I cry who ever her foeman drove
Back from plain and Sea
And shook herself free.

Thou art wisdom, thou art law,
Thou art heart, our soul, our breath
Though art love divine, the awe
In our hearts that conquers death.
Thine the strength that nervs the arm,
Thine the beauty, thine the charm.
Every image made divine
In our temples is but thine.

Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her
swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
And the Muse a hundred-toned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother lend thine ear,
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleems,
Dark of hue O candid-fair

In thy soul, with jewelled hair
And thy glorious smile divine,
Lovilest of all earthly lands,
Showering wealth from well-stored hands!
Mother, mother mine!
Mother sweet, I bow to thee,
Mother great and free

wow kitni mehnat karto ho aap
to prove your right wow i must admire that

did you ever do some research about hatred in India against Minorities?
how unhappy they feel? how they have to live under constant threat by extremist hindus?

aam bandha · Nov 4th, 2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by happyheart

wow kitni mehnat karto ho aap
to prove your right wow i must admire that

did you ever do some research about hatred in India against Minorities?
how unhappy they feel? how they have to live under constant threat by extremist hindus?

It is important to understand what is being discussed. I felt that there was a misunderstanding regarding the words used in the national song .... so with a little effort cleared somethings ..... there are no derogatory words in the national song.

As for other issues you have mentioned ..... there is a lot or research done and is being done on all these ..... but this is Pakistan forum .... why discuss Indian's internal affairs. Even most of the Indians here limit their comments to the terrorism coming from Pakistan. If that were to stop almost 95% would be out of this forum

Jalaluddin · Nov 7th, 2009, 08:39 AM

fatwa eh?

here is my response to these morons =>>>>

take your fatwa and choke on it.

Raj_ind · Nov 8th, 2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jalaluddin

fatwa eh?

here is my response to these morons =>>>>

take your fatwa and choke on it.

Jalaluddin bro, singing vande matram should not be given much importance. if some muslim feel that singing this song goes against principals of their religion than he is free to think like that in democratic and secular India. singing a mere song cant make anyone more Indian than those who doesnt sing it owing to some religious boundaries.

This petty issue must not be let be used by some fundamentalists elements to achieve their goal of communal hatred.

BTW nice video , have enjoyed it a lot, thanks for sharing.