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      Quote Originally Posted by khoji View Post
      Imam Hanbal says it is permissible to curse this Shaitan Yazid
      i m not sure whether imam said it or not.

      but as per hadith it is not permissible to curse a muslim .............. plz refer bukhari sharif

      i think we shud follow hadiths rather than a quote of an imam , provided it is in contradiction wid hadith.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jafri View Post
      What sahaabis and what bayaah? After Abu Bakr passed away there was NO bayaah. He chose Umar, Umar chose Usmaan and then came Muawiyaah who then chose Yazid as his successor. There was never a bayaat..
      u need to refer bukhari sharif where it is mentioned that baayaat hazrat yazid taken during the lifetime of hazrat muavia........

      bayaat was taken for all caliphs even if they were nominated, to gain acceptibilty for that nomination.


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      This made me laugh. First, Bani Abbas was already cruel beforehand, I don't believe they would support Imam Al-Hussain in one way, or the other. As for Bani Hashim, all of Bani Hashim was gone during that period! All of Hazrat Abdul Muttalib's children had passed away. The only remaining members were Imam Hussain, his sisters and children. Now tell me, were they not in Karbala?
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      u need to consult some gud history book. hazrat abdullah bin abbas was there even his son ubaidullah {who was also a muhaddis} was there. sons of haris ibn mutalib were there.
      even historain has reported that there were around children of hazrat hasan. hazrat ali children from other wives were there.
      about zubair ibn muatalib and abdul uzza progeny .......... i dont know

      now how can u say that hazrat husaain was the only survivors of the bani hasham.
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      u need to refer bukhari sharif where it is mentioned that baayaat hazrat yazid taken during the lifetime of hazrat muavia........

      bayaat was taken for all caliphs even if they were nominated, to gain acceptibilty for that nomination.
      Do give me those ahadith as well. Yazid was made khalifa by Muawiya when he was on his deathbed, I don't believe there was ANY bayaah. No bayaah was made, no Imam gave bayaah either.

      And about Bani Hashim I apologize. Look, Imam Hassan (as), with most ahadith, confirm that Imam Hassan had a couple of sons, one was named Abdullah and the other Qasim. Abdullah and Qasim are mentioned in the story of Karbala. The other wives of Imam Ali (as) are also in Karbala along with their sons, such as Ummul Baneen, her sons Abbas, Jaffar and I believe 4 more if I'm not mistaken were there as well. Zainab (sa) had 16 brothers total and they were all present in Karbala with Imam Al-Hussain (as). When I said that, I was talking about like the pure bloodline, the real family before Bibi Fatima's (sa) death.

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      newayz as far the sermon i have shared in the opening thread in which hazrat yazid said that hazrat muavia is inferior to those who were before him ........ refering to the hadith narrated through Hazrat ali in which apostle has mentioned that person who have took part in the badr are most afzal among sahaba.

      Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin Abi Rafi`: I heard `Ali saying,
      "Allah's Apostle sent me, Az−Zubair and Al−Miqdad somewhere saying, Proceed till you reach Rawdat Khakh. There you will find a lady with a letter. Take the letter from her.' " So, we set out and our horses ran at full pace till we got at Ar−Rawda where we found the lady and said (to her). "Take out
      the letter.
      " She replied, "I have no letter with me." We said, "Either you take out the letter or else we will take off your clothes." So, she took it out of her braid. We brought the letter to Allah's Apostle and it contained a statement from Hatib bin Abi Balta a to some of the Meccan pagans informing them of some of the intentions of Allah's Apostle.
      Then Allah's Apostle said, "O Hatib! What is this?" Hatib replied, "O Allah's Apostle! Don't hasten to give your judgment about me. I was a man closely connected with the Quraish, but I did
      not belong to this tribe, while the other emigrants with you, had their relatives in Mecca who would protect their dependents and property . So, I wanted to recompense for my lacking blood relation to them by doing them a favor so that they might protect my dependents. I did this neither because of disbelief not apostasy nor out of preferring Kufr (disbelief) to Islam." Allah's Apostle, said, "Hatib has told you the truth." `Umar said, O Allah's Apostle! Allow me to
      chop off the head of this hypocrite." Allah's Apostle said,

      "Hatib participated in the battle of Badr, and who knows, perhaps Allah has already looked at the Badr warriors and said, 'Do whatever you like, for I have forgiven you."
      4.251:

      Sahih Bukhari

      and since Muavia did not took part in the badr and embraced islam thats y yazid described him so. and it clearly show how immense knowledge he had about haith.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jafri View Post
      Do give me those ahadith as well. Yazid was made khalifa by Muawiya when he was on his deathbed, I don't believe there was ANY bayaah. No bayaah was made, no Imam gave bayaah either.

      And about Bani Hashim I apologize. Look, Imam Hassan (as), with most ahadith, confirm that Imam Hassan had a couple of sons, one was named Abdullah and the other Qasim. Abdullah and Qasim are mentioned in the story of Karbala. The other wives of Imam Ali (as) are also in Karbala along with their sons, such as Ummul Baneen, her sons Abbas, Jaffar and I believe 4 more if I'm not mistaken were there as well. Zainab (sa) had 16 brothers total and they were all present in Karbala with Imam Al-Hussain (as). When I said that, I was talking about like the pure bloodline, the real family before Bibi Fatima's (sa) death.
      i wud appreciate if u mention the reference of what u have said.

      {newayz it is a very coomon fallacy among the that hazrat hussain/ali bin hussain was the only survivor of the bani hashim......}
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      Please do weigh the knowledge of Yazid in comparison to his actions. Your topic post is from Ibn Kathir's Al Bidayah. In the same book, Ibn Kathir speaks about Yazid again in a different manner.

      *Ibn Katheer in Al Bidayah Volume 8 page 222 stated:
      ‘Muslim was ordered to ransack Medina for three days. Yazeed committed a major sin. Sahaba
      and their children were slaughtered openly; other heinous acts were also perpetuated. We have
      already mentioned that he had Ibn Ziyad kill the grandson of Rasulullah (s) Husayn and his
      companions. In those three days in Madina, it is difficult to mention the type of acts that were
      carried out. By doing this act Yazeed wanted to secure his governance, in the same way Allah
      (swt) broke the neck of every Pharoah, the true King (swt) also broke the neck of Yazeed.’

      One who attacks Medina is cursed
      We read in al Bidaya Volume 8 page 223: ‘Rasulullah (s) said whoever perpetuated injustice and
      frightened the residents of Medina, the curse (la’nat) of Allah (swt), His Angels and all people is
      on such a person’

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      maverick here r some gr8 characteristics of ur hero by ur own authors or writers or scholars wht ever u say thm .

      Mu'awiya's actual motive was power


      Since Mu'awiya had decided to take it on himself to avenge `Uthman's death, perhaps Abu Sulaiman could inform us what efforts Mu'awiya had taken to protect `Uthman while he was alive? Had Mu'awiya had any love for his relative he would have sought to protect him, and protect he could, after all he had command over the army of greater Syria (Syria and Damascus). With the largest army in the Empire at his disposal, what action did Mu'awiya adopt? In Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work al-Nasa'ih al-Kaafiyah page 19 we learn that:

      " Uthman asked Mu'awiya for assistance, but Mu'awiya did not listen to him. When the situation got worse and there remained little chance that Uthman would survive Mu'awiya sent Yazeed bin Asand ul Kasheeree with an army and told him to reach the point of Zeekush and remain there. The officer followed this order and when Uthman was killed Mu'awiya ordered his army to return. This was done in order to show the people that he had sent an army but in reality this was just a trick, so that he could exploit Uthman's death as a means of taking power".

      The following reference recorded by Ibn Katheer also makes it clear that the main motive of Muawiya was not to avenge the murder of Uthman rather he was interested to become the ruler over various key geographical areas like that of Egypt. Ibn Kathir records:

      "When Ali came to know that people of Egypt have deemed Muhammad bin Abu Bakar as inferior due to his tender age of 26, he thought of giving Egypt back to Qais bin Sa`d who was the head of his police during that time or give Egypt to Ashtar Nakhi who was his vicegerent over Mosul and Nasibain. Thus, after Sifeeen Ali wrote to him, called him and made him the ruler of Egypt. When Muawiyah came to know that instead of Muhammad bin Abu Bakar, Ali had made Ashtar Nakhi the ruler of Egypt, this thing went harsh on him because he was interested in Egypt and he wanted to snatch it from Muhammad bin Abi Bakar and he knew that Ashtar bin Nakhi would save Egypt from his hands due to his intelligence and bravery."


      The agreement between Mu'awiya and Amr bin Aas is clear proof that the motive was power not avenging Uthman's murder


      Perhaps the advocates of Mu'awiya will not be convinced, well let us hear the testimony from the mouth of their Imam Mu'awiya. In Iqd al Fareed page 113 Volume 1 Chapter "Yaum Sifeen" a detailed conversation is cited between Amr bin Aas and Mu'awiya.

      "Mu'awiya told Amr bin Aas to give him bayya. Amr replied 'if its with regards to the next world, then Allah (swt) will not be with you, if its in connection with this world then I would like a share". Mu'awiya replied, "in my world there is an equal share". Amr said, "I would like you to put into writing that you will give me Egypt and its surrounding suburbs". Mu'awiya did so adding (in the agreement) that Amr give him bayya. Amr replied that it should also be written (in the agreement) that it (bayya) will be subject to the conditions being met. Mu'awiya replied "people will not look at this" but Amr said "Do this". At this point Utba bin Abi Sufiyan attended and Amr said "Mu'awiya I have sold my religion at your hands". Utba said "Verily give him the full agreed amount as he was a Sahaba of the Prophet".
      Notice how the killing of Uthman is missing from the entire conversation. The discussion is about power and Mu'awiya's bribing of Amr with land to get him on board. Despite Abu Sulaiman's excuses, the words used by Amr bin Aas "Mu'awiya I have sold my religion at your hands", stand as clear testimony that even he felt that he had abandoned his religion by siding with Mu'awiya, but alas for bin Aas his lust for power was so great that it outweighed his iman. Power was the name of the game not the enforcement "revenge for Uthman" was the war cry via which Mu'awiya sought to enhance his ambitions.

      We read in al-Akhbar al-Tiwal page 158 "Dhikr Siffeen" that Amr said to Mu'awiya "Give me Egypt to eat from as long as you are a ruler". Tareekh Abu Fida Volume 2 page 238 "Dhikr Siffeen" likewise states that Amr placed a condition that to join Mu'awiya he would be given the power to govern Egypt. It is indeed interesting to note how the promise of power and authority was the factor that 'moved' Amr bin Aas over to the noble cause of avenging the blood of Uthman.

      Power was the name of the game not the enforcement "revenge for Uthman" was the war cry via which Mu'awiya sought to enhance his ambitions.

      What greater proof of the deviance of Mu'awiya can there be than the admission of his key supporter Amr bin Aas. We read in in Ta'rikh Kamil Volume 2 page 139 "Dhikr Siffeen" that Amr bin Aas said the following to Mu'awiya:

      "Avenging Uthman's blood was just an excuse, we are desirous of worldly power, upon hearing this Mu'awiya agreed to hand over Egypt to Amr".

      Do the defenders of Mu'awiya need to be convinced any further? This is the testimony of one of the key central characters in this episode admitting to Mu'awiya that Uthman's revenge was an excuse, the real motive was just power. If Mu'awiya disagreed with this assertion then why did he not admonish him and set the record straight.

      Mu'awiya's testimony further proves his real motive was power not vengeance for the slain Uthman


      Advocate of Mu'awiya, Ibn Kathir records two interesting references that further exposes the real reason for Mu'awiya's opposition. One who these references is about Muawiya's first sermon to the people of Kufa that has also been quoted by Syed Qutub Shaheed in his famous book 'Social justice in Islam':

      "Men of Kufa, do you think I fought against you on account of prayers or Zakar or pilgrimage? I knew that you said the prayers, that you paid the Zakar and that you performed the pilgrimage. I fought you in order to have control and mastery over you, now Allah has granted me that mastery, though you may not like it. Now, therefore, all the money and all the blood that I have had to expend in this war is still to be repaid, and all the promises that I made in the truce are under my feet here"



      Ibn Kathir's comments on Yazeed the drunkard


      Ibn Kathir proving that he was indeed a drunkard. Ibn Kathir is the Wahabi's biggest historian and a student of Ibn Taymiyya himself. As far as Wahabis are concerned, his words are written in gold. Yet Ibn Kathir himself writes in 'al Bidayah' Volume 8 page 1169 "Dhikr Yazeed bin Muawiya":

      "Traditions inform us that Yazeed loved worldly vices, would drink, listen to music, kept the company of boys with no facial hair [civil expression for paedophilia with boys, a form of homosexuality], played drums, kept dogs [civil expression for bestiality], making frogs, bears and monkeys fight. Every morning he would be intoxicated and would bind monkeys to a horse saddle and make the horse run".


      Imam Ibn Atheer's comments on Yazeed 'the drunkard'


      Imam Ibn Atheer Jazri records the following testimony of Munzar bin Zubayr in 'Tareekh al Kamil' Volume 3 page 450:


      [SIZE=6]إنه أجازني بمائة ألف ولا يمنعني ما صنع بي أن أخبركم خبره وأصدقكم عنه والله إنه ليشرب الخمر والله إنه ليسكر حتى يدع الصلاة [/SIZE]

      'He rewarded me with one hundred thousand, but this deed will not prevent me from telling you honestly about his status, by Allah he drinks alcohol, by Allah he is drunkard and even abandons prayer'



      Imam Dhahabi's naration and verdict on Yazeed 'the drunkard'


      Yazeed's drinking despite Abu Sulaiman's denials is such an established fact that even Dhahabi, relied on as an authority by Abu Sulaiman, testifies to this fact.

      In "Siyar A'lam Al-Nubala" Volume 4 pages 37, Dhahabi narrates:

      "Ziyad Haarthi narrated: 'Yazeed gave me alcohol to drink, I had never drunk alcohol like that before and I enquired where he had obtained its ingredients from'. Yazeed replied: 'it is made of sweet pomegranate, Isfahan's honey, Hawaz's sugar, Taif's grapes and Burdah's water'. Ahmed bin Masama' narrated: 'Once Yazeed drank alcohol and started to dance, suddenly he fell down and his nostril began to bleed'.

      After citing the above cited traditions, Imam Dhahabi then gave his own verdict regarding Yazeed wihch has also been recorded by Allamah Ibn al-Emaad al-Hanbali (d. 1089 H) in "Shadharat al Dhahab" Volume 1 page 69:


      [SIZE=6]وقال الذهبي فيه كان ناصبياً فظاً غليظاً يتناول المسكر ويفعل المنكر افتتح دولته بقتل الحسين وختمها بوقعة الحرة فمقته الناس ولم يبارك في عمره [/SIZE]

      "Al-Dhahabi said about him (Yazeed) that he was Nasibi, rude, harsh, used to drink alcohol and committed evil deeds. He started his reign by killing al-Hussain and concluded it by the battle of al-Hara, so the people hated him and Allah didn't bless his life"

      The book can also be downloaded from the following Salafi library:

      Moreover, in his another authority work 'Tarikh Islam' Volume 5 page 30, Imam Dhahabi states:


      [SIZE=6]قلت: ولما فعل يزيد بأهل المدينة ما فعل، وقتل الحسين وإخوته وآله، وشرب يزيد الخمر، وارتكب أشياء منكرة، بغضه الناس، وخرج عليه غير واحد، ولم يبارك الله في عمره، فخرج عليه أبو بلال مرداس بن أدية الحنظلي[/SIZE]

      I say: 'When Yazeed did to the people of Madina what he did and killed al-Hussain and his brothers and progeny, and Yazeed drank alcohol, and performed abominable things, then the people hated him and rose against him more than once and God didn't bless his life and Abu Bilal Mirdas bin Adya al-Hanzali rose against him.'


      Imam Ibn Jauzi's comments on Yazeed 'the drunkard'


      Ibn Jauzi in Wafa al-Wafa Volume 1 page 217:

      "Yazeed appointed his cousin Uthman bin Muhammad bin Abu Sufyan as Governor of Madina. He sent a delegation to visit Yazeed who bore gifts so that they might take the oath of allegiance to him. Upon their return they said 'We have returned having visited a man who has no religion, he drinks, plays instruments, keeps the company of singers and dogs, we declare that we have broken our allegiance to him. Abdullah bin Abi Umro bin Hafs Mukhzumee commented 'Yazeed gave me gifts, the reality is this man is an enemy of Allah (swt) and a drunkard, I shall separate myself from him in the same way that I remove my turban [from my head]…."

      Shah Abdul Aziz Muhadith Dehalwi's comments on Yazeed 'the drunkard'



      Renowned Sunni scholar of Pakistan (Late) Allamah Shafi Okarvi Qadri who was known by the title "Khateeb A'zam of Pakistan" wrote a book "Imam Paak aur Yazeed Paleed" [The pure Imam and filthy Yazeed] wherein he refuted one of the lovers of Yazeed [la] Maulana Mahmood Abbasi. During the course of argument, Allamah Okarvi quoted the famed anti-Shia scholar and the beloved of Ahle Sunnah Muhadith Shah Abdul Aziz Dehalwi who wrote the following about Yazeed:

      "Verily, Hussain [as] rejected to give bayah to Yazeed because he was Fasiq, drunkard and an oppressor and Hussain went Makkah.[Sirul Shahadatayn, page 12]"

      Mu'awiya also knew that Yazeed drank alcohol


      Ibn Kathir in his authority work 'Al Bidayah wa al Nihaya' (Urdu) Vol 8 page 1156 "Dhikr Yazeed bin Muawiya" testifies that Muawiyah also knew about Yazeed's habit of consuming alcohol and in this regard Muawiyah advised him through poetry not to do such things in daylight (i.e. in public) as a means of avoiding objections from his opponents. Ibn Kathir states:

      Yazeed in his youth indulged in alcohol consumption and used to do other things youth would do, and this came to the attention of Mu'awiya who wanted to advise him warmly so he said to him: 'O my son, you do have capability of achieving what you want without disgrace and debasement, which will destroy your youthfulness and value, and will make your enemy happy at your adversity and your friend will treaty you badly'. He then stated: 'O my son, let me recite to you some couplets, try to learn manners from these couplets and learn them by heart'. Thus, Muawiyah recited:
      "Stay all the day long in the pursual of heights and have patience on the departure of a close mate, untill the darkness of night appears and your enemy falls asleep, thus, do whatever you wish to do throughout the night, night is like a day for the wise, there are plenty of Fasiq people whom you deem pious, but they spend their nights commiting strange things, night has provided veils to their acts and he has spent the night with calm and pleasure, while the wish of a stupid person is of a visible nature."



      there is much more u can read @
      answering-ansar/answer/muawiya/en/chap1.php
      whr u can find original n exclusive details wid uthentic links .sorry for not narrating links here coz of lesser posts.
      answering-ansar/answer/muawiya/en/chap1.php

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      Mu'awiya the baghi (rebel)


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      i think this is very inappropriate that u r calling sahabi as baghi. he was great leader and saviour of ummate muslima. and above all the greatest administrator we have ever had in the islamic history as well as a conqueror.

      i havent said nething to ur imams or ne person so dont say nething to the ppl we respect especially when he is sahabi.

      u r talking about historains i m talking about imam muslim and imam bukhari ..... if they consider him gud and havent written nething about him we consider him gud.

      beside hazrat hasan and hussain accepted his khilafit ....... so there is no point in condemning him. coz if u condemn hazrat muavia it wud be tatamount to the contempt of hazrat hasan and hussain ......... they accepted his khilafat and even wud get hefty amount as wazifa .......
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      ^ how did Hazrat Hasan died(as)?

      And as for "Amir ul monineen"... where is he buried , surely there will be a shrine or something of that sort ?? And , how did he die? was it a shahadaat or something else as the title of "Leader of the faithful" is being use here .... need to know more why the title is being used on him ...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Maverick_27 View Post
      i think this is very inappropriate that u r calling sahabi as baghi. he was great leader and saviour of ummate muslima. and above all the greatest administrator we have ever had in the islamic history as well as a conqueror.

      i havent said nething to ur imams or ne person so dont say nething to the ppl we respect especially when he is sahabi.

      u r talking about historains i m talking about imam muslim and imam bukhari ..... if they consider him gud and havent written nething about him we consider him gud.

      beside hazrat hasan and hussain accepted his khilafit ....... so there is no point in condemning him. coz if u condemn hazrat muavia it wud be tatamount to the contempt of hazrat hasan and hussain ......... they accepted his khilafat and even wud get hefty amount as wazifa .......
      I would not comment on religious aspect of this issue, for its up to Allah, but speaking strictly from worldly political point, Amir Muawiya did rebel against the legitimate government of his time. However, i woud agree that he was an outstanding General and tactician, which he proved many times, during his wars in Syria and also in Siffin, where he had almost lost the battle but succeeded in inflicting severe blow to unity of Imam Ali's camp, which never recovered after this battle.
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      Muawiyah was "tactician" because he would do ANYTHING to stick to government. He would bribe people, threaten people, abuse and curse Imam Ali in juma prayers, and even put Quran on spears. He is the one who used the excuse of revenge of Uthman's death even though he knew fully well that Imam Ali was not responsible for it nor Imam Ali had the killers among his people.

      Imam Ali on the other hand would never do anything immoral and un Islamic, regardless of consequences.

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      You pretend that you want to avenge the murder of Caliph Uthman. Do you know who actually killed him and who caused his murder? If really you do so, then seek vengeance on them.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DD View Post
      I would not comment on religious aspect of this issue, for its up to Allah, but speaking strictly from worldly political point, Amir Muawiya did rebel against the legitimate government of his time. However, i woud agree that he was an outstanding General and tactician, which he proved many times, during his wars in Syria and also in Siffin, where he had almost lost the battle but succeeded in inflicting severe blow to unity of Imam Ali's camp, which never recovered after this battle.

      really a great comment ............ jazakullah
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      Quote Originally Posted by Prince Abbas View Post
      Muawiyah was "tactician" because he would do ANYTHING to stick to government. He would bribe people, threaten people, abuse and curse Imam Ali in juma prayers, and even put Quran on spears. He is the one who used the excuse of revenge of Uthman's death even though he knew fully well that Imam Ali was not responsible for it nor Imam Ali had the killers among his people.
      There were a few people in Imam Ali's camp that were involved in muder of Othman ra like Mohammad Bin Abu Bakr.

      However that is not my point, when we talk about war tactics its not about theology, Imam Ali accepted arbitrartion and also a person as arbitrator who was either not loyal to him or was not suitable to be his representative (Ashari), this cost him the war.
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      Yes Yazeed was just against Tawifs like sadar Ziaulhaq [ Sadar zia ki bhi jitna buraiyan sun lo media se qabaza Azal se kis ka hai media per???)
      so the Iranians (one of the Kneez's family Hazrat Ali marry her after departue od Hazrat Fatima raziAllah Unha ) were susrali of Hazrat Ali raziAllah Unhu and they just get mad on Yzeed when he took steps against this Kneezi/tawif tabqa tareekh se yeh chezain mitai gain sahih kitabin jala jala ker
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      Hajaj Bin Yusuf Muhamad Bin Qasim sab ko is giroh ne shaheed kerwaiya.

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      Yar - if you people are putting Hazrat and RA in front of Yazeed's Name - what beef have you got with my man Musharraf - By that standard he should also be called ' Hazrat Musharaf '

      and one a serious note - Those who have written books in favor of Yazeed - why didnt they name any of their male kids after him ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Naabigh View Post
      Yar - if you people are putting Hazrat and RA in front of Yazeed's Name - what beef have you got with my man Musharraf - By that standard he should also be called ' Hazrat Musharaf '

      i think musharraf and yazid has no similarity.

      he was relegious person and on the other hand musharaf is a secular one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Maverick_27 View Post
      i think musharraf and yazid has no similarity.

      he was relegious person and on the other hand musharaf is a secular one.
      Oh for god's sake


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