Hazrat Yazid: Did the muslims gave oath of allegiance to him or he was nominated ?
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i think this had been a very debatable topic among the different muslims sects and historains. instead of resorting to the books of history lets see what ahadith books say about it.
i m here quoting hadith/narrations 2 from sahih bukhari and one from sahih muslim{called sahihain} .
it clearly shows that bayat was taken for yazid and sahaba even did bayat of him and were remained stick to it.
as far as asool e kafi by sheikh jafer al kalaini is concerened i went through the book, though not that thoroughly, but cud not find ne narration in this respect i.e. bayat of yazid
Narrated Nafi`:
When the people of Medina dethroned Yazid bin Muawiya, Ibn Umar gathered his special friends and children and said," I heard the Prophet saying, 'A flag will be fixed for every betrayer on the Day of Resurrection,' and we have given the oath of allegiance to this person (Yazid) in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle and I do not know of anything more faithless than fighting a person who has been given the oath of allegiance in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle , and if ever I learn that any person among you has agreed to dethrone Yazid, by giving the oath of allegiance (to somebody else) then there will be separation between him and me." 9.227: Sahih Bukari
It has been reported on the authority of Nafi, that 'Abdullah b. Umar paid a visit to Abdullah b. Muti' in the days at Harra in the time of Yazid b. Mu'awiya. Ibn Muti' said: Place a pillow for Abu 'Abd al−Rahman (family name of 'Abdullah b. 'Umar).
But the latter said: I have not come to sit with you. I have come to you to tell you a tradition I heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). I heard him say:
One who withdraws his band from obedience (to the Amir) will find no argument (in his defence) when he stands before Allah on the Day of Judgment, and one who dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance (to an Amir) will die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahillyya. Bk 20, Number 4562: Sahih Muslim
so this hadith may be considered as agreed upon {hadith narrated in both sahih muslim and sahih bukhari is called agreed upon and is considered most authentic after the holy quaran , as far as sunni muslims are concerned} as the words of both hadiths are almost the same as well as the context, though addressees are different.
newayz the above hadiths do not tell when the bayaat was taken. lets see what Imam muhammad bin Ismail Bukhari indicates in Sahih Bukhari about the era of oath.
Narrated Yusuf bin Mahak: Marwan had been appointed as the governor of Hijaz by Muawiya. He delivered a sermon and mentioned Yazid bin Muawiya so that the people might take the oath of allegiance to him as the successor of his father (Muawiya). Then `Abdur Rahman bin Abu Bakr told him something whereupon Marwan ordered that he be arrested. But `Abdur−Rahman entered `Aisha's house and they could not arrest.
Marwan said, "It is he (`AbdurRahman) about whom Allah revealed this Verse:−− 'And the one who says to his parents: 'Fie on you! Do you hold out the promise to me..?' On that, `Aisha said from behind a screen, "Allah did not reveal anything from the Qur'an about us except what was connected with the declaration of my innocence (of the slander). 6.352: Sahih Bukhari
historians have mentioned that hazrat muavia asked each of his governor to take bayaat for the succession of yazid {after the endorsement of the akabir sahaba and tabain in syria } in their provinces to avoid ne controversy in future for the appointment of next caliph.
when did that bayat actually happened is not that confirmed. historains have different opnions about it. but it is said that it was the period between 51 to 58 hijra.
As hazrat aisha died in 678 AD and hazat yazid became caliph in 680. since it happened before the death of hazrat aisha, as evident from narration mentioned above, so it had been taken before 58 hijra.
and when mauvia died ppl ratified the bayat of succession.
a humble request
it is part of history so take it in the light of history ............
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Last edited by Maverick_27; Nov 25th, 2009 at 07:37 PM..
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Mu'awiya made Yazeed his Khalifa during his lifetime
the last will and testament of Mu'awiya in which it is clear that he has made Yazeed his khalifa:
"O my son, I have arranged everything for you, and I have made all the Arabs agree to obey you. No one will now oppose you in your title to the caliphate, but I am very much afraid of Husayn b. Ali, Abd Allah b. 'Umar, Abd ar-Rahman b. Abi Bakr, and Abd Allah b. az- Zubayr. Among them Husayn b. Ali commands great love and respect because of his superior rights and close relationship to the Prophet. I do not think that the people of Iraq will abandon him until they have risen in rebellion for him against you. As far as possible, try to deal with him gently. But the man who will attack you with full force, like a lion attacks his prey, and who will pounce upon you, like a fox when it finds an opportunity to pounce, is Abd Allah b. az-Zubayr. Whenever you get a chance, cut him into pieces." Iqd al Fareed, Volume 4 page 226
Here they also try to rid Mu'awiya of the crimes his son Yazeed committed against the Ahlul Bait at Kerbala.
From this text Mu'awiya had told his beloved son "No one will now oppose you in your title to the caliphate" - he is not telling Yazeed that he had made him Crown Prince he is informing him that he had laid the foundation for him to succeed him as khalifa.
To this effect we even have evidence from Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, hadith 352:
Narrated Yusuf bin Mahak: Marwan had been appointed as the governor of Hijaz by Muawiya. He delivered a sermon and mentioned Yazeed bin Muawiya so that the people might take the oath of allegiance to him as the successor of his father (Muawiya)..
Last edited by trulyurs; Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:06 AM..
"Mu'awiya kept Mugheera in his post. Mugheera arrived at Kufa and spoke to his close representatives, bribing them with 30,000 dirhams to maintain their support. Mugheera sent his son Musa bin Mugheera to Head a delegation that visited Damascus, there they [the group] reiterated their support for the nomination of Yazeed as Khalifa. Mu'awiya summoned Musa and asked him how much money his father had spent to buy these individuals, he replied 30,000 dirhams".
Mu'awiya killed all those who posed a hurdle for him making Yazeed Khalifah
Muawiyah not only used his money, but he also made use of violence to secure his filthy son's seat succession to the throne. Victims of such violence included Abdur Rahman bin Khalid bin Waleed. Though Abdur Rahman was not a Shia rather a Nasibi, when it cames to the love of his filthy son, Muawiyah didn't even spare one of his companions.
"Mu'awiya kept Mugheera in his post. Mugheera arrived at Kufa and spoke to his close representatives, bribing them with 30,000 dirhams to maintain their support. Mugheera sent his son Musa bin Mugheera to Head a delegation that visited Damascus, there they [the group] reiterated their support for the nomination of Yazeed as Khalifa. Mu'awiya summoned Musa and asked him how much money his father had spent to buy these individuals, he replied 30,000 dirhams".
Mu'awiya killed all those who posed a hurdle for him making Yazeed Khalifah
Muawiyah not only used his money, but he also made use of violence to secure his filthy son's seat succession to the throne. Victims of such violence included Abdur Rahman bin Khalid bin Waleed. Though Abdur Rahman was not a Shia rather a Nasibi, when it cames to the love of his filthy son, Muawiyah didn't even spare one of his companions.
but let me ask u one thing .......... have u tried to read the preface of the books of history to know that what is the approch of the writer to compile the books.
if u havent than first read the disclaimer of tibri he has mentioned in the book and that how he has compiled that book. (he was king of copy pasting , whatever he gets from the public he included in his book without assessing the reasonability of the statement )
by the way havent u seen in favour or praise of yazid ibn muavia in the books of history. coz i have seen many such frm those books.
Mu'awiya made Yazeed his Khalifa during his lifetime
the last will and testament of Mu'awiya in which it is clear that he has made Yazeed his khalifa:
"O my son, I have arranged everything for you, and I have made all the Arabs agree to obey you. No one will now oppose you in your title to the caliphate, but I am very much afraid of Husayn b. Ali, Abd Allah b. 'Umar, Abd ar-Rahman b. Abi Bakr, and Abd Allah b. az- Zubayr. Among them Husayn b. Ali commands great love and respect because of his superior rights and close relationship to the Prophet. I do not think that the people of Iraq will abandon him until they have risen in rebellion for him against you. As far as possible, try to deal with him gently. But the man who will attack you with full force, like a lion attacks his prey, and who will pounce upon you, like a fox when it finds an opportunity to pounce, is Abd Allah b. az-Zubayr. Whenever you get a chance, cut him into pieces." Iqd al Fareed, Volume 4 page 226
will of hazrat muavia in badaya is very much different and contains no such things .......
i think this had been a very debatable topic among the different muslims sects and historains. instead of resorting to the books of history lets see what ahadith books say about it.
i m here quoting hadith/narrations 2 from sahih bukhari and one from sahih muslim{called sahihain} .
it clearly shows that bayat was taken for yazid and sahaba even did bayat of him and were remained stick to it.
as far as asool e kafi by sheikh jafer al kalaini is concerened i went through the book, though not that thoroughly, but cud not find ne narration in this respect i.e. bayat of yazid
Narrated Nafi`:
When the people of Medina dethroned Yazid bin Muawiya, Ibn Umar gathered his special friends and children and said," I heard the Prophet saying, 'A flag will be fixed for every betrayer on the Day of Resurrection,' and we have given the oath of allegiance to this person (Yazid) in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle and I do not know of anything more faithless than fighting a person who has been given the oath of allegiance in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle , and if ever I learn that any person among you has agreed to dethrone Yazid, by giving the oath of allegiance (to somebody else) then there will be separation between him and me." 9.227: Sahih Bukari
It has been reported on the authority of Nafi, that 'Abdullah b. Umar paid a visit to Abdullah b. Muti' in the days at Harra in the time of Yazid b. Mu'awiya. Ibn Muti' said: Place a pillow for Abu 'Abd al−Rahman (family name of 'Abdullah b. 'Umar).
But the latter said: I have not come to sit with you. I have come to you to tell you a tradition I heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). I heard him say:
One who withdraws his band from obedience (to the Amir) will find no argument (in his defence) when he stands before Allah on the Day of Judgment, and one who dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance (to an Amir) will die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahillyya. Bk 20, Number 4562: Sahih Muslim
so this hadith may be considered as agreed upon {hadith narrated in both sahih muslim and sahih bukhari is called agreed upon and is considered most authentic after the holy quaran , as far as sunni muslims are concerned} as the words of both hadiths are almost the same as well as the context, though addressees are different.
newayz the above hadiths do not tell when the bayaat was taken. lets see what Imam muhammad bin Ismail Bukhari indicates in Sahih Bukhari about the era of oath.
Narrated Yusuf bin Mahak: Marwan had been appointed as the governor of Hijaz by Muawiya. He delivered a sermon and mentioned Yazid bin Muawiya so that the people might take the oath of allegiance to him as the successor of his father (Muawiya). Then `Abdur Rahman bin Abu Bakr told him something whereupon Marwan ordered that he be arrested. But `Abdur−Rahman entered `Aisha's house and they could not arrest.
Marwan said, "It is he (`AbdurRahman) about whom Allah revealed this Verse:−− 'And the one who says to his parents: 'Fie on you! Do you hold out the promise to me..?' On that, `Aisha said from behind a screen, "Allah did not reveal anything from the Qur'an about us except what was connected with the declaration of my innocence (of the slander). 6.352: Sahih Bukhari
historians have mentioned that hazrat muavia asked each of his governor to take bayaat for the succession of yazid {after the endorsement of the akabir sahaba and tabain in syria } in their provinces to avoid ne controversy in future for the appointment of next caliph.
when did that bayat actually happened is not that confirmed. historains have different opnions about it. but it is said that it was the period between 51 to 58 hijra.
As hazrat aisha died in 678 AD and hazat yazid became caliph in 680. since it happened before the death of hazrat aisha, as evident from narration mentioned above, so it had been taken before 58 hijra.
and when mauvia died ppl ratified the bayat of succession.
a humble request
it is part of history so take it in the light of history ............
He (RZA) has been victim of propoganda and politics by a group of people who think that every one other than Hazrat Ali (RZA) and His family ( and one who donot agree with Him and His Family) suppose to go to hell and one day ( it has been 1400+ years now) some Guy will emerge and ultimately they will get the Khilafa...
Standing for what you believe in, regardless of the odds against you, and the pressure that tears at your resistance, means courage
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[3:105] And be not like those who became divided and disagreed after clear arguments had come to them, and these it is that shall have a grievous chastisement.
i think this had been a very debatable topic among the different muslims sects and historains. instead of resorting to the books of history lets see what ahadith books say about it.
i m here quoting hadith/narrations 2 from sahih bukhari and one from sahih muslim{called sahihain} .
it clearly shows that bayat was taken for yazid and sahaba even did bayat of him and were remained stick to it.
as far as asool e kafi by sheikh jafer al kalaini is concerened i went through the book, though not that thoroughly, but cud not find ne narration in this respect i.e. bayat of yazid
Narrated Nafi`:
When the people of Medina dethroned Yazid bin Muawiya, Ibn Umar gathered his special friends and children and said," I heard the Prophet saying, 'A flag will be fixed for every betrayer on the Day of Resurrection,' and we have given the oath of allegiance to this person (Yazid) in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle and I do not know of anything more faithless than fighting a person who has been given the oath of allegiance in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle , and if ever I learn that any person among you has agreed to dethrone Yazid, by giving the oath of allegiance (to somebody else) then there will be separation between him and me." 9.227: Sahih Bukari
It has been reported on the authority of Nafi, that 'Abdullah b. Umar paid a visit to Abdullah b. Muti' in the days at Harra in the time of Yazid b. Mu'awiya. Ibn Muti' said: Place a pillow for Abu 'Abd al−Rahman (family name of 'Abdullah b. 'Umar).
But the latter said: I have not come to sit with you. I have come to you to tell you a tradition I heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). I heard him say:
One who withdraws his band from obedience (to the Amir) will find no argument (in his defence) when he stands before Allah on the Day of Judgment, and one who dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance (to an Amir) will die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahillyya. Bk 20, Number 4562: Sahih Muslim
so this hadith may be considered as agreed upon {hadith narrated in both sahih muslim and sahih bukhari is called agreed upon and is considered most authentic after the holy quaran , as far as sunni muslims are concerned} as the words of both hadiths are almost the same as well as the context, though addressees are different.
newayz the above hadiths do not tell when the bayaat was taken. lets see what Imam muhammad bin Ismail Bukhari indicates in Sahih Bukhari about the era of oath.
Narrated Yusuf bin Mahak: Marwan had been appointed as the governor of Hijaz by Muawiya. He delivered a sermon and mentioned Yazid bin Muawiya so that the people might take the oath of allegiance to him as the successor of his father (Muawiya). Then `Abdur Rahman bin Abu Bakr told him something whereupon Marwan ordered that he be arrested. But `Abdur−Rahman entered `Aisha's house and they could not arrest.
Marwan said, "It is he (`AbdurRahman) about whom Allah revealed this Verse:−− 'And the one who says to his parents: 'Fie on you! Do you hold out the promise to me..?' On that, `Aisha said from behind a screen, "Allah did not reveal anything from the Qur'an about us except what was connected with the declaration of my innocence (of the slander). 6.352: Sahih Bukhari
historians have mentioned that hazrat muavia asked each of his governor to take bayaat for the succession of yazid {after the endorsement of the akabir sahaba and tabain in syria } in their provinces to avoid ne controversy in future for the appointment of next caliph.
when did that bayat actually happened is not that confirmed. historains have different opnions about it. but it is said that it was the period between 51 to 58 hijra.
As hazrat aisha died in 678 AD and hazat yazid became caliph in 680. since it happened before the death of hazrat aisha, as evident from narration mentioned above, so it had been taken before 58 hijra.
and when mauvia died ppl ratified the bayat of succession.
a humble request
it is part of history so take it in the light of history ............
maverick u look good debating with 12ers as most of them here are blissfully ignorant of hadith rijal and history ....
HOWEVER my views are 180 degrees different from u wrt muawiyah yazid and other ummayyads.
Now if u want to selectively quote bukhari its ur choice , but i mentioned to u earlier views of abdullah b umar and clarified his position.if u read same bukhari he mentions his opinion about eligibility of khilafat and condemns the taliq just as his father did.
and in 2nd hadith why r u condemning the son of abu bakr siddiq for the sake of marwan and muawiyah ? God sake's man have some fear of God , my sheikh said one thing very well he said that those who hate ali murtaza will also hate umar farooq and abu bakr siddiq now i know how its so true
wrt bayat in syria, they were only supporters of muwiayah who endorsed yazid's bayat and not even all of them read the biography of abdur rehman b khalid who was his own supporter and see how he was eliminated by muawiyah.banu makhzum khalids tribe then withdrew support from banu ummayyah
now mr khandalvi quotes number of sahaba in syria from rijal books but when time comes to read the same books for biographies of other sahaba he dismisses them as "shia sources" u can see their munafiqat.
i hope u dont get carried away by the 12er attitudes and become influenced by nasibi propoganda
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Last edited by Das Reich; Dec 24th, 2009 at 10:55 PM..
but let me ask u one thing .......... have u tried to read the preface of the books of history to know that what is the approch of the writer to compile the books.
if u havent than first read the disclaimer of tibri he has mentioned in the book and that how he has compiled that book. (he was king of copy pasting , whatever he gets from the public he included in his book without assessing the reasonability of the statement )
by the way havent u seen in favour or praise of yazid ibn muavia in the books of history. coz i have seen many such frm those books.
sow why this cherry picking
which historian have ? imam tabari was a great historian and a scholar of great repute hadith was not his genre , so he cannot be judged according to the same rules.
no book except for Quran is 100 authentic
when it comes to history of syria do we have more reliable sources ?
Guys get a life please ! there are 101 things besides yazid era to discuss. have a look at the present condition of the muslim ummah who badly needs to understand the concept of brotherhood and peace amongst themselves. Dont let the evil non muslim forces overcome the muslim ummah. We love to throw mud on each other by discussing these topics but whats the outcome of such discussions. Zero just zero ! Das Reich you like yazid so its ok but you cannot force people to agree with your point of view. Opening up two threads with same topic wont take you anywhere. i hope you wont start this useless discussion in some other community now.
Dont make these forums full of ugly fights .
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